So like, can we actually work on making him better OUTSIDE OF JUST LCS/the small handful of extremely skilled players. I mean jeez. He's weak and has been weak for months and people still cry about him even after he gets another nerf.
But I guess people need another easy way to repwhore besides spamming SoloQ threads.
Incoming downvotes from salty Azir QQers.
Hyperiön5 voteshahaha, this is funny. I smell the hater here. Azir is one of the best, if not the best mid laner. And he takes a hell of a lot of skill to play properly, hence why you think he is weak, because you probably suck with him.
Astôlfo1 votes[deleted]
Hyperiön2 votesConsidering I haven't played a single game of ranked with Azir this season, or last, yeah, I really reveal myself. Plat is garbage, Players only start to get good in Mid to High Diamond, ask any challenger that question and you will get laughed at. Now go back to your troll cave and pick on the little kids because I am sure that is the only thing you are good at.
Hyperiön2 votesOh, and by the way, nice 26% win rate.
Astôlfo1 votesThanks? I know I'm not good at the game, I'm still new and learning. Not sure what that has to do with anything, given hard data is irrelevant to what rank I am?
But nice fail at trying to strawman?
Hyperiön3 votesOkay, then explain this? Now it is my turn to throw TRUE statistics in your face. I don't know where you got your information, but right there is is square in your face. Rank is very relevant because you don't see things the same way as people with more experience and higher up the ladder.
Astôlfo1 votessigh… i can't tell what's funnier you quoting data that literally proves my point or a S2 trying to talk about ranks and higher ranks understanding more
People with 125+ games have 50.49% WR. Everyone before that has literally negative winrate. Wow, such good proof. Thanks for proving me right.
In the early game where everyone complains about his oppressiveness, he has 41% winrate. In the late game he's supposed to carry, he has 49% winrate. How amazingly staggeringly freelo.
Nice try I guess?
Hyperiön2 votesFunny that you deleted your comment on what you first replied to me. Yeah, he has a lower win rate because people can't play him. Watch any high tier streamer who plays Azir, then tell us that he is weak. go ahead. do it. Take the hundreds of hours to learn him in an out, then say how weak he is. Azir is a fucking monster when played right. Saying that he is weak when you see all shit azirs, and you probably can't play him for shit either. no wonder why you are saying he is weak, because you never got to experience the amount of fuckage a goof Azir can give out.
Lord Azır1 votesIt's not because people don't know how to play him. Go look up some of the best known Azirs in NA. Drift King Azir is one. He was considered one of the best Azirs at one point and right now he has a 2.00 KDA and a 55% winrate stuck in diamond 5, and he actually dropped the champ completely saying how weak he is compared to other picks like Taliyah / Viktor.
Eedat3 votesCan you explain to me how your opinion should be taken seriously when you havent even learned the game then? I'm not a high-ELO elitist, but someone who says "I'm new to the game" is not in a place to cry about balance.
P.S. ranked is NOT the place to learn the game
Astôlfo1 votessigh… people keep acting like if my rank has any relevance when I'm talking about actual, undeniable, hard data of players from all ranks from Bronze to challenger
and I never said it was, no need to put words in my mouth
Eedat2 votespeople keep acting like if my rank has any relevance
Did I not just say "I'm not a high ELO elist"? I was refering to the fact that you said you were new to the game.
New to the game =/= experienced but low ranked
And where exactly are you getting your data from? If you look here: http://champion.gg/champion/Azir you can clearly see Azirs winrate ranges from 45% on inexperienced Azir players to 51% on experienced Azir players. This is the point you arent getting. Inexperienced Azir players sucks because Azir has a high skill floor and high skill ceiling. An experienced Azir player is a monster. Azir has been the hands down best mid lane pick for quite awhile now if you get an experienced player on him
Astôlfo2 votesWowza, 50.49%, everyone, this is freelo guys, get your one-way ticket to Challenged 5 with 50.49% WR Azir mid after 125+ games of experience!
Eedat2 votesAnd that stat after these most recent nerfs. You're crying about something you know nothing about and only picking and choosing statistics that make your point look correct when it isnt. Everyone knows new Azir players suck, but the ones who know what they're doing are extraordinarily powerful
Astôlfo1 votesfacepalm
The irony is overwhelming. I'm not cherrypicking, you're free to look at every statistic. He fails in just about every single one. Who's crying? :^)
Eedat3 votesYou are lol. You made the thread crying about it
Lord Azır2 votesLol right, compare Azirs 50.5% winrate after 125+ games played to Taliyahs 59% winrate with 15+ games played. OMG Azir is the most broken champ in game nerf please.
Defended2 votes[{quoted}](name=L0RD AZIR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vpJidhGN,comment-id=00030000000000000000000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-07-14T05:49:50.576+0000)
Lol right, compare Azirs 50.5% winrate after 125+ games played to Taliyahs 59% winrate with 15+ games played. OMG Azir is the most broken champ in game nerf please.
yes tell us more how azir is weak mr. ''lord azir''
Lord Azır2 votesyes tell us more how azir is weak mr. ''lord azir''
I have 900k mastery points on Azir and currently Diamond 3. Pretty sure I know what I'm talking about
Defended1 votes[{quoted}](name=L0RD AZIR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vpJidhGN,comment-id=0003000000000000000000010000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2016-07-14T06:22:46.864+0000)
I have 900k mastery points on Azir and currently Diamond 3. Pretty sure I know what I'm talking about
Azir is freelo.
YurÌ on Ice1 votes[{quoted}](name=L0RD AZIR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vpJidhGN,comment-id=00030000000000000000000100000000000000000001000000000001,timestamp=2016-07-14T06:30:37.261+0000)
Right because playing 125+ ranked games with 1 champion just to get a 51% winrate is "freelo"
his match history is postered with victories on cait and his post history is all toxicity/insulting, don't bother with this guy.
Pnakotic2 votesAzir is freelose
Fixed
Eedat2 votesHoly hell, just checked your stats. I'm no high ELO elitists, but someone with a 26% win rate in bronze 4 has no room to talk. This game would be a wretched place if we balanced around Bronze 5
Astôlfo1 votesExcept that's entirely irrelevant? lmfao But nice strawman. Keep crying about a champ who's not even OP in the slightest. Have fun.
Eedat2 votesNo it's not. You're a new player who knows absolutely nothing about the game. You're quoting win rate like its the end all be all, but you have 0 experience to back anything up. The game would be completely ruined if it was balanced around bronze 5
Astôlfo1 votesExcept I have the data for winrate across just about every single factor? And you trying to talk about inexperienced players as a S2 is fucking hilarious.
Hi pot, I'm kettle.
And I'm not asking for it to be balanced around B5, but nice job shoving words from your ass into my mouth. I'm asking for it to at least make sense in Plat+.
Eedat2 votesPlease dont compare my 70% winrate with your 26% winrate. I'll be Gold whenever I feel like getting around to it. And while gold is not "high ELO", it is the top 30% of players. You are probably in the bottom 5% as you're sinking like a stone to bronze 5.
Astôlfo1 votesSays someone who's not even level 30 or doesn't feel like posting on their actual account. Also, my rank has nothing to do with actual data. Go troll somewhere else kid.
Blåbæret1 votesAzir is oppressive to play against and he pmuch never loses lane because of his wave clear and tower dmg. Even if he's 0/6 he can get your tower in a matter of seconds and proceed to pentakill.
There's a reason he's played at LCS.
Astôlfo1 votesoppressive to play against
Sure.
pmuch never loses lane
Not even close.
Even if he's 0/6 he can get your tower in a matter of seconds and proceed to pentakill.
Well, I'm not even going to bother trying to correct this.
There's a reason he's played at LCS.
Gee, I dunno, maybe because those players are at LCS for a reason?
Blåbæret2 votesIt would seem you ran out of arguements.
Astôlfo1 votesExcept he has a negative or just barely passing (50.XX) winrate across just about every single possible factor (overall average/steadily decreasing WR over patches/experience/game length/builds/runes/matchups/etc)?
Of course Azir is very strong against certain matchups. That means almost nothing. There's a lot of various hard-counter matchups in this game as a whole. However, on average, he has a negative winrate against just about every single mid matchup save for like, 4-5ish (I think? Something around that figure)
I was assuming people would actually look up data themselves, but I guess that was too much to ask of them.
League of Graphs/Champion.GG data on Azir is where I got my information from. He has a negative winrate across every single rank from Bronze to Challenger, and his winrate actually decreases as it goes up. Because, y'know, people actually know how to play against and beat Azir as ranks go up.
Sure, LCS and some other super exceptional LCS-level players might do good with him. They make up almost none of the entire playerbase. I'm not even asking for balancing to Bronze like some people keep trying to shove those words into my mouth. I'm pointing out that if even Plat+ players can barely do well if they can even achieve a positive WR in the first place even after tons of experience, it might be worth reconsidering calling him "OP" or whatever.
Yes, Azir is strong. But the number of players who can actually make use of that strength is so low it's practically irrelevant. Hence, being "effectively" bad because even the majority of high ELO players can barely do well with him.
Slythion4 votes"I can't play this champion as well as others so please buff him"
Astôlfo2 votes"I don't know how to read so I'll just say some dumb statement and hope I can get upvotes when I don't know what I'm talking about at all."
Slythion1 votesI mean, sure you can always resort to childlike insults when someone disagrees with you. That's the immature route anyways.
So like, can we actually work on making him better OUTSIDE OF JUST LCS/the small handful of extremely skilled players. I mean jeez. He's weak and has been weak for months and people still cry about him even after he gets another nerf.
here you admitted that players have success with the champion when they're good with it. Unfortunately for you, Riot doesn't balance around the bad players, they balance around the good players. Just because a champion is bad for bad players doesn't mean it should be buffed, especially when the champion sees success when actually played right.
You want to dumb down one of the most difficult champions in the game because you feel it is too difficult to play them...that is a philosophy that the vast majority of players disagree with
Astôlfo1 votesfacepalms AGAIN
Yes, exceptionally, super amazing, professional level players can do good with him. Surprise, they make up almost none of the normal games in League. If the game was at least balanced around Plat+, that would be reasonable. Except... even Plat+ players have an average of 50.49% winrate after 125+ games, the rest of which are negative with any less experience.
He has a negative winrate against just about every possible mid matchup. His "oppressive" early has a 41% winrate while his "lategame hypercarry" time has a 49% winrate. And of course, his winrate's only been going down through patches due to only getting nerfs essentially.
This literally has nothing to do with me. I just thought it was worth pointing out if even THOSE players can't do that well after that much experience, as well as Azir failing at his very own job as well as against most matchups, I felt like "gee, maybe someone should take a moment to reconsider calling him OP, and maybe , just maybe , consider buffing him a bit, so that it's not so ridiculous".
But okay, keep pulling assumptions from nowhere.
Very Hard Engage3 votesazir isn't weak, hes just hard to use, hes got so much utility and build potential its almost ludicrous, but its fine overall because of the difficulty.
Astôlfo1 votesI mean sure, high skill champs are fine and all. When he has sub-50% winrate across just about every single possible factor AND even 125+ Azir game players in PLATINUM OR HIGHER can't do that well with him, I think there's a problem. Also a 46-47% winrate average in Plat+ doesn't really help him look any stronger either.
Very Hard Engage2 votesriot doesn't balance around soloq/dynamic, they go exclusively by what they see in the LCS (in addition to newly formed outliars based on whatever new change they make)
hence veigar, olaf, eve, elise, lulu, maokai, irelia, reksai.... etc etc changes. (get the nerf bat)
and why certain champs can stay in positions of power/weakness for forever, 
/ 
come on, when was the last time we saw some singed/jayce changes.
Astôlfo1 votesWhich is Riot just being stupid, which is besides the point.
Very Hard Engage2 voteswelcome to league.
Astôlfo2 votesThe point of this thread was to discuss that Azir should get buffs/etc and what kind of things might work to make him actually better. Hoping Riot ever does anything intelligent in balance is a pipe dream.
Defended4 votesThe point of this thread was to discuss that Azir should get buffs/etc and what kind of things might work to make him actually better. Hoping Riot ever does anything intelligent in balance is a pipe dream.
Considering Challenger players are saying hes too strong
Then here you are. A bronze 4 player, saying otherwise.
Damn who to believe
Eedat1 votesDont give him so much credit. He's a bronze 4 player with a 26% win rate. He's straight up bronze 5, just give him a bit to sink to the bottom
Lord Azır1 votesPlease tell me which "challenger players" said this. Because to my knowledge the most OP champs right now are Aurelion Sol, Cass, Viktor, Taliyah. Azir doesn't even come close to those 4.
