Ok, I was against 
from ARAM. But can we also add more ressource management ? Currently in a game, 
are poking from the fog of war without even worrying about mana. And whenever you try to go in, you're just cc'd for 45 years.
Games are already lost from champ select, once again.
Ratpie5 votesBalanced comps win. That poke only works if you have a good front line. Just played ARAM game with the other team heavy poke and we had all melee bruisers/tanks. We had a hard time at first, but held out and then rolled them so hard. CC is what really rules ARAM.
Bjørnetjenesten4 votesNah that statement is bullshit. 5 man poke comps can seige 2 of your towers before your tanks/engagers can even afford 1 item. At least warmogs had a requirement of getting 3000 hp from items before it was useful. Meanwhile , , 
, 
and 
can get 
and/or 
and 
to solve most of their problems from the beginning. So yeah fuck riots braindead balanceteam for removing one part that was OP and leaving the other part to be abused.
Lately i feel like they have a real talent for ruining their own game.
Ratpie1 votesNah that statement is bullshit. 5 man poke comps can seige 2 of your towers before your tanks/engagers can even afford 1 item. At least warmogs had a requirement of getting 3000 hp from items before it was useful. Meanwhile
Lately i feel like they have a real talent for ruining their own game.
5 man poke comps can only do that if the opposing team is imbalanced. Most high poke teams can't even kill towers that fast like a good adc will. AA from adcs is not the ranged poke. and if they are 5 ranged pokes you just go all in and destroy them because they are mostly squishy. The key is at character screen you swap and reroll to get a better comp. That is even easier now with the new changes. Aram is more about good engage and CC with SOME poke to push people off and do extra damage.
Bjørnetjenesten2 votesAre you saying that jayce, ziggs and varus are slow at taking towers? just 2-3 champs with poke is more than enough to keep enemy team away from their own tower, while enemy minions crash in and siege becomes very easy, even with bad tower dmg.
Acheron162 votesNot really. Tanks were just changed from "OK, what am I going to do here? Hold out for an opening? Hold on until team has decent items? Block shit for my pokers?" to "I literally have no other choice than diving in all the time because the alternative is getting poked until you die."
Warmog was too strong as it was, but removing it was a massive mistake.
Ratpie1 votesNot really. Tanks were just changed from "OK, what am I going to do here? Hold out for an opening? Hold on until team has decent items? Block shit for my pokers?" to "I literally have no other choice than diving in all the time because the alternative is getting poked until you die."
Warmog was too strong as it was, but removing it was a massive mistake.
All I know is that before the warmogs removal it was always the team with no tanks that were losing, and I am still seeing the same thing now. The one difference is that now people are building more damage on bruisers/tanks than going pure tank like a lot were doing with warmogs.
redniwediS3 votesI'm personally loving this. I remember back before Warmog's was added to ARAM, and have been jumping into "remove warmogs" threads ever since to argue that it is actually a good addition. Now that it has actually been removed people are learning what it was like pre-Warmog's, and they don't seem to like it.
Ayzev2 votes[{quoted}](name=Kurt Hyzan,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=voO5vOzA,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-06-09T15:34:25.331+0000)
Games are already lost from champ select
At what point in the history of ARAM was this not the case?
Acheron161 votesTry to make do with what you are given.
If you literally have no chance to win, what's the point of even playing? Just end it at 7 minutes.
Semaj3xt4h1 votesYa before they reworked runes there were plenty of awesome builds you could do to minimize weakness, getting some health regen runes on a bruiser with the guardians horn would help you survive some early game poke and start to snow ball etc, now tho its more like rock/paper/scissors, poke reigns supreme because you can't really recover as easily now.
Semaj3xt4h1 votesI agree, aram main here and the changes are frustrating... I agree something needed to be done about aram accounts but now its poke reigns supreme... If your front line plays too passive vs a heavy poke team, might as well afk... everytime riot touches aram it gets worse, when they removed the gold gen items like a year or so ago my wife won't even play aram now she'll only play dota 2... Now warmogs? banner? omg and people can just pick the champ with the best poke after 2 rerolls? i mean lol this is laughable at best.
