If you removed Warmog's from ARAM

50% vs minions. Wouldn't make sense vs champions.

well, the poke of doom is still there, just now there is no way to build against it...

The thing is that Tanks had to do that because they dont build damage for lifesteal to scale off of. in addition to that damage is designed to scale harder than defense trying to tank is a chore in itself for each and every slot. and tanks have to be in melee range to be effective. Its far less fair that champions get to sit back and chunk 1/3rd of your health from long range each spell than a champion having to make sure that they are inactive to get healing.

Could give it the cinder-hulk treatment. Gain 10-20% bonus health, then heal up to your total bonus health. Reduce the value on front-liners that don't buy a lost of defense.

Make it so the threshold is X bonus health instead of X health.

no way riot champions with different abilities in my league? op

barely has a kit on ARAM. (T_T)

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I'd ratehr see a replacement for warmongs that fills the HP+sustain gap, just not with the same insane passive sustain from warmongs.

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No LOL Just NO Tanks have really good HP regen already. They can also still build Spirit Visage

Warmogs was a way to deal with poke.

You are supporting the fact they got rid of the only way melee comps could compete with poke comps.

Just hush.

Tanks have shitty hp regen because the more max hp your buy the less your current hp regen is worth but riot removed all the tank items that had on it. And you cant stack Armor/ magic resist because penetration items are so dam powerful and those armor/ magic resist items are so dam weak the only good one stat wise is but only when its passive is up which means you are in an unfavorable situation and its active cuts your damage out because squishy ranged champions were crying that they were taking damage when they were squishy and didnt use their range advantage

you know what is uninteractive a long range poke champion hits one spell 1/3 of my hp is gone despite my at least 4 defensive items thus i have to sit back warmogs or no warmogs just to not insta die every 5 seconds of being in lane because i didnt reroll my melee champion because the enemy team usually has 3-5 of such champions

Thing is to do that you have to 1 get in range to do damage then 2 get out of range when low with no excapes. THings like that are completely the fault of the the enemy team who let them get away

Personally the only person I felt really broke Warmogs in aram was . Everyone else I felt was annoying sure but that item made her insanely stupid in aram...

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Did it really hurt tanks/juggernauts that much? I play ARAM quite a lot, yet I didn't see warmog being bought that often. Personally I felt like it was either useless, because of opponents whose all-in was just too much or because they had GW, or it was overkill, and it made already winning games a joke. i won't deny that in more than one occasion it could've been a game changer, but it wasn't a common occurrence.

I like playing tanks, so I too am a little pissed that they take a tank item away from us from ARAM. But I never saw it as a must buy. Instead, I dislike the choice to remove banner of command, that too wasn't a must buy, but was a fun item overall, and it don't think it was oppressive or unfun, even if used vs full AP teams. In addition, now that upgraded minions aren't immune to magic damage anymore, there shouldn't be composition that are totally unable to deal with them, so I don't really se a reason to take it away.

I agree with you on one thing though: lifesteal should have reduced effects in aram, otherwise an adc staying at full health by hitting minions (and poking) isn't that different from a tank with warmog.

I think it hurt juggernauts more than it hurt tanks to remove warmogs. When I played a tank, warmog would be one of the last defensive items I would build. I usually go for the health/armor or health/mr items first. The health provided by warmogs is just not good enough a defense against hyper scaling champs like veigar who can hit you for 1000 damage on a 3 sec cooldown and nuke you for 2k after that. You need to stack MR/Armor fast as well health to curb that kind of damage. With that said, if you were gonna build a single defensive item on a juggernaut build, warmogs makes sense since it pads against all types of damage (magic, physical and true) regardless of what your up against.