Lethality could be made melee which would fix half (& ONLY HALF) the problems, but Riot refuses to.

MissingKayo··11 votes·1,246 views

Flat armorpen was always meant for assassins and assassins alone.

When Riot's favorite - marksmen - started abusing it, instead of just fixing the problem by making it melee-only, they danced around it every way possible avoiding one of the two huge sources of the problems.

And now we're here with Lethality still being an unbalanceable mess as long as both ranged and melee reap the same benefits.

Sure, Lethality needs some nerfs on top of that for some of the melee abusers, but ranged shouldn't even be able to abuse something that has no meaningful tradeoff.

Lethality gets power faster than crit and attack speed. Lethality bursts glass cannons harder than crit and attack speed. Lethality with Cleaver and LDR murders tanks anyways, although you don't need to focus them until you oneshot all the carries. You don't have attack speed against towers, but you have armor penetration against them instead and still melt them. You don't get crit and attack speed on autos, but most of the ones abusing Lethality anyways don't need autos as much as their abilities, as AD casters.

19 Comments

Ahristocats4 votes

you can balance ranged champions around lethality just like you can balance melee champions around lethality ranged champions aren't building lethality because it's magically stronger on ranged champions

it's because lethality is broken

MissingKayo1 votes

Lethality values being changed around because of ranged and 1 of the 2 reasons Lethality was made being because of ranged in the first place isn't a good rep for ranged.

Ahristocats1 votes

no idea where you saw riot saying this

MissingKayo1 votes

A Rioter made an official statement a while back, but then deleted it after Riot changed their stance and started calling ranged using flat armorpen "item diversity".

And Lethality was buffed from 40% to 60% immediate because certain marksmen weren't doing well.

Ahristocats1 votes

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And Lethality was buffed from 40% to 60% immediate because certain marksmen weren't doing well.

Which marksmen?

MissingKayo1 votes

Lucian was the primary one, can't remember the others off the top of my head. Varus was hurt too.

Ahristocats1 votes

varus was already played in high elo with crit build after his passive buff and i'm sure riot wouldn't buff lethality because lucian is weak rofl

overall riot didn't tell anything about marksmen when buffing lethality

sobi9993 votes

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you can balance ranged champions around lethality just like you can balance melee champions around lethality ranged champions aren't building lethality because it's magically stronger on ranged champions

it's because lethality is broken

The issue i see here is that if it was balanced around ranged then it would have to be nerfed more than it would be if it was balanced around assassins only.

Ahristocats1 votes

No, right now it's stronger on some ranged champs because those champs are just fucking busted that lethality doesn't matter

Lucian isn't an issue with lethality, same for Urgot

Ralanr1 votes

Honestly surprised Lucian hasn't reached OP status. This seems like something to push him over the edge.

MissingKayo1 votes

He's just outclassed by the ones with utility like Jhin and Varus who have higher immediate burst, while Lucian is still pseudo-DPS-ish.

Bootlessly2 votes

Remember when ranged champions could build Tiamat? Because I sure as hell remember twitch building it and killing the whole team from 1200 range with only seven shots... Riot can change items to be melee only and they should... but they won't.

ForgiveColour1 votes

lmao implying lethality is balanced on melee

if riot really gave a single shit about bot lane they would have fixed the gangbang bot lane meta ever since double tp worlds meta. It was already happening before but thats when it started to turn into shit

MissingKayo1 votes

I literally said melees abuse it too, which is why it needs nerfs on top of this.

Ralanr2 votes

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lmao implying lethality is balanced on melee

if riot really gave a single shit about bot lane they would have fixed the gangbang bot lane meta ever since double tp worlds meta. It was already happening before but thats when it started to turn into shit

Remember when teleport got its cooldown increased? That's why. It didn't stop the rest of the team though.

ForgiveColour1 votes

Yeah and then they kill lane swap and do turret shizz gg

Ralanr2 votes

Because lane swaps were becoming too common place and frankly rather boring.

MaeDoSan1 votes

How about na who are you to decide who gets flat pen ?

MissingKayo1 votes

Riot was. Until they fucked up and refused to admit it. So they deleted their original post and said that was their original intention all along.

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