"wtf it makes no sense i died fast when i built 6 damage items, nerf them riot"

MissingKayo·Dec 21, 2016·89 votes·3,537 views

Does anyone else see something wrong with this train of thought?

98 Comments

N0rth WindDec 21, 201640 votes

There's an even better one. "wtf it makes no sense i died fast when they've built 6 damage items, nerf them riot"

Me playing Talon
Enemy adc letting me literally walk up to them to Q them from melee range
1300 Crit
'omg nerf this shit he somehow crits me for all my hp every time, broken champ'
I literally have nothing but AD, Lethality and Crit Damage in my build and runes
'I dont care u do too much dmg'

AckelopeDec 21, 20164 votes

I think this is one that we see the most from both sides; the people complaining about ADCs, and the ADCs complaining about other people killing them...

N0rth WindDec 21, 20162 votes

I actually play every position (Jack of All Trades, yup, I know, I'll never climb above Plat and stuff - but I can't really give up some positions or champs once I've grown to love them) and I actually have no problem with either adcs or assassins :D

Maining a role gives you a much better perspective of what its weak points are. Like, when i'm playing Jhin (my main ADC next to Lucian) I know how the enemy Talon is going to approach me.

Like, for example, I ping my team to care about a certain location cause I know Talon will parkour from there, they ignore me, the support dives into the enemy team to play Rambo instead of protect me and Talon jumps at me from exactly where I expected and oneshots me. Will I be tilted? Yeah, I will most probably, because there's not much Jhin can do against a Talon that comes from behind him. But I won't blame the champion or his role. :P

Pierce The VealDec 21, 20168 votes

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I think this is one that we see the most from both sides; the people complaining about ADCs, and the ADCs complaining about other people killing them...

TBH ADC's complain more often than everyone else.

"Wtf how come darius can kill me when I literally walked into him at melee range."

"How come ANY melee champion can kill me at melee range?"

dragon1xxDec 21, 20165 votes

I mean they do have a ~~babysitter~~ player dedicated to literally making sure they survive the damn laning phase.

AckelopeDec 22, 20161 votes

Well, speaking as someone who does play a lot of ADC (while I'm aware this also gives me a bias, hear me out for a moment), it's often really, really easy to die while playing an ADC, especially if you're someone as imperfect as I am who makes a lot of mistakes. Some games I just fuck up and get instakilled by the enemy team more often than I'd like, and it feels unfair at the time. In retrospect I can usually realise it's because of my own mistakes, but it does feel bad while it's happening.

CresmontDec 22, 20161 votes

this

THANK YOU you admitted it, it is from the adcs mistakes, thats the whole point but no, to other adcs, if ur ranged, u have crit and attackspeed and you can literally melt the enemy team with autoattacks, you should get to live thru hard cc and burst just fine. some fucking people man, take my +1

Pierce The VealJan 1, 20171 votes

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Well, speaking as someone who does play a lot of ADC (while I'm aware this also gives me a bias, hear me out for a moment), it's often really, really easy to die while playing an ADC, especially if you're someone as imperfect as I am who makes a lot of mistakes. Some games I just fuck up and get instakilled by the enemy team more often than I'd like, and it feels unfair at the time. In retrospect I can usually realise it's because of my own mistakes, but it does feel bad while it's happening.

Yeah this is understandable, but it's no more something to balance around than mages or assassins dying for stupid reasons.

As people who play these classes, we need to accept that the slightest mistake is gonna be punished hard. What I'm against is an assassin not being able to outburst, outsurvive, or even occasionally outmobility an adc. Don't forget they're outranged by ADCs. I understand playing against an assassin may not be the most fun in the world, but facing a ticking time bomb that can just CS to get to the exploding point where they slaughter your team is just as, if not more antifun.

All I want is a day where ADC becomes an optional class, not necessary in every team comp.

AckelopeJan 2, 20171 votes

I agree with you for the most part, I don't mean to say that the reason I gave is a legitimate reason, just that it is my guess as to why ADCs complain so much.

Pierce The VealJan 4, 20171 votes

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I agree with you for the most part, I don't mean to say that the reason I gave is a legitimate reason, just that it is my guess as to why ADCs complain so much.

I mean it makes sense that that's why they'd complain, but you sure don't hear say, full squishy build assassins complaining about it. There seems to be this feeling that if you're ranged you should somehow magically be allowed to survive when you fuck up.

AckelopeJan 4, 20171 votes

idk what to tell ya other than people are really good at catering to themselves more than others, and then deceiving themselves into thinking that they aren't actually doing that. I don't think we've got some massive entitled mentality problem amongst ranged champion players, I think it's just people being people and overreacting when they shouldn't, because their characters die faster than they want them to when they aren't taking full advantage of having range.

RalanrDec 22, 20161 votes

Funny thing is that walking into melee range is the counterplay to his Q. Have I mentioned I hate that counterplay? Getting close to Darius is the last thing I want in life.

Pierce The VealJan 1, 20171 votes

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Funny thing is that walking into melee range is the counterplay to his Q. Have I mentioned I hate that counterplay? Getting close to is the last thing I want in life.

"Dem minigames tho"

-Rito

PhDs NutsDec 23, 20161 votes

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TBH ADC's complain more often than everyone else.

"Wtf how come darius can kill me when I literally walked into him at melee range."

"How come ANY melee champion can kill me at melee range?"

TBH way more people complain about ADCs than the other way around. Boards is a nonstop anti-ADC circlejerk.

This thread is a pretty good example.

Pierce The VealJan 1, 20171 votes

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TBH way more people complain about ADCs than the other way around. Boards is a nonstop anti-ADC circlejerk.

This thread is a pretty good example.

It wasn't the case until we realized some blatant ADC bias in balance.

RivuoDec 21, 20162 votes

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There's an even better one. "wtf it makes no sense i died fast when they've built 6 damage items, nerf them riot"

Me playing Talon

Enemy adc letting me literally walk up to them to Q them from melee range

1300 Crit

'omg nerf this shit he somehow crits me for all my hp every time, broken champ'

I literally have nothing but AD, Lethality and Crit Damage in my build and runes

'I dont care u do too much dmg'

Havent seen a single adc complain about assassins or anything in thelast 7 months

Keep bullshitting yourself.

N0rth WindDec 21, 20169 votes

I actually main both assassins and adcs and I have heard some hilarious shit from all sides. I say they're both pretty much OK, if some assassins are not actually on the weaker side.

RocketRelmDec 21, 201612 votes

Tristana "OMG why can Zac 1v1 me! That's not even fair! He's a tank! OP!"

has 4 items built None of them are a LW item has top teemo, mid fizz, jungle shaco for 'peel'

I wonder what went wrong here.

RivuoDec 21, 20163 votes

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"OMG why can Zac 1v1 me! That's not even fair! He's a tank! OP!"

has 4 items built None of them are a LW item has top teemo, mid fizz, jungle shaco for 'peel'

I wonder what went wrong here.

Nobody says that. Not a single adc person questions why they got solod by zac

Nobody.

The boards are filled with 12 year olds who love bitching about a non existent thing.

RocketRelmDec 21, 201610 votes

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Nobody says that. Not a single adc person questions why they got solod by zac

Nobody.

The boards are filled with 12 year olds who love bitching about a non existent thing.

In-game. Me playing Zac. Enemy tristana bitching at me in all-chat.

RivuoDec 21, 20162 votes

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In-game. Me playing Zac. Enemy tristana bitching at me in all-chat.

I must be blind because i havent seen a single adc person bitch about anything for the last 6-7 months not even assassins.

The boards are just sassy af when it comes to adcs

TyrekGoldenspearDec 21, 20168 votes

I think you need your eyes checked tbh.

Look in Gameplay. You'll find quite a few threads from ADC mains complaining about dying while building full glass cannon.

RivuoDec 22, 20161 votes

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I think you need your eyes checked tbh.

Look in Gameplay. You'll find quite a few threads from ADC mains complaining about dying while building full glass cannon.

Still waiting for your dumbass to show me a single post.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 22, 20162 votes

Whoops lol. Completely forgot about this little talk.

Also while my rear is incapable of showing you anything, I can.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/vnb8ooyG-buff-marksman

Personally I would recommend glasses, becuase while contacts can look better, I've always been adverse to putting things in my eyes personally.

RivuoDec 22, 20161 votes

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Whoops lol. Completely forgot about this little talk.

Also while my rear is incapable of showing you anything, I can.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/vnb8ooyG-buff-marksman

Personally I would recommend glasses, becuase while contacts can look better, I've always been adverse to putting things in my eyes personally.

You linked me a not adc main complaining about adcs dying who isnt even past silver.

Let me link you a reddit post thats over 1000 upvotes and mostly talked about by challengers and diamonds about how adcs arent good right now and get 100-0d by anything

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/5hsicy/rekkles_i_think_that_the_marksmen_role_is_in_a/#bottom-comments

Nope you're right tho.

Let me ( a diamond adc main ) and the diamond + challenger players on that reddit post listen to your silver 4 ass who keeps talking about glasses and me being blind.

Shit if im blind and diamond while you see and silver 4 then id rather be blind.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 22, 20162 votes

And when did I once mention my opinions on the matter?

No seriously.

Look at our conversation.

It starts with you saying that no ADC mains complain about dying while building glass cannon. I tell you they do. You demand proof, quite rudely. I give you a post with a snarky reply. You then somehow assume that I am one of the people who think that ADCs are still overpowered right now. That never occurred in this conversation.

Nah, but you suddenly know how I feel about ADCs, the same class that I have to spend my entire support life protecting to make sure they take objectives and win teamfights.

I told you that people indeed complain, I never once mentioned my personal opinions on ADCs yet you assumed you knew.

For the record, I am fully aware how ADCs are right now, I play support and mid.

I have seen parties down at bot lane multiple times. I marvel at how fast they explode when out of position. But when they are peeled for they wreck. That is my only issue with them. They are so dependent on their team to do well, and their performance can widely vary unless they have mobility out the bum or are several divisions higher than their opponents.

For the record, I have gold mmr, I simply don't play ranked.

Also, Reddit, like this board, isn't an accurate reading of the playerbase as a whole.

Look back over our conversation and tell me with a straight face that you weren't seeing things that weren't there.

RivuoDec 22, 20161 votes

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And when did I once mention my opinions on the matter?

No seriously.

Look at our conversation.

It starts with you saying that no ADC mains complain about dying while building glass cannon. I tell you they do. You demand proof, quite rudely. I give you a post with a snarky reply. You then somehow assume that I am one of the people who think that ADCs are still overpowered right now. That never occurred in this conversation.

Nah, but you suddenly know how I feel about ADCs, the same class that I have to spend my entire support life protecting to make sure they take objectives and win teamfights.

I told you that people indeed complain, I never once mentioned my personal opinions on ADCs yet you assumed you knew.

For the record, I am fully aware how ADCs are right now, I play support and mid.

I have seen parties down at bot lane multiple times. I marvel at how fast they explode when out of position. But when they are peeled for they wreck. That is my only issue with them. They are so dependent on their team to do well, and their performance can widely vary unless they have mobility out the bum or are several divisions higher than their opponents.

For the record, I have gold mmr, I simply don't play ranked.

Also, Reddit, like this board, isn't an accurate reading of the playerbase as a whole.

Look back over our conversation and tell me with a straight face that you weren't seeing things that weren't there.

I asked for posts from adc mains complaining about people 100-0ing them.

You gave me a link of someone who isnt even an adc main. If ANYTHING that supports my claim that there isnt any.

But no keep taking as if you know shit.

Silver 4 talking as if he knows anything... Pathetic...

TyrekGoldenspearDec 23, 20162 votes

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You dont feel like digging through your old posts because its that rare of an occurrence.

Nobody fuckin complains about getting 1 combod as an adc main anymore.

Nobody. You're just biased against adcs which is totally fine but atleast dont make up lies

because as a diamond adc main, i give my support every ward, use heal when they get low, buy pinks instead of them, ward when i can, tell them dont apologize when they take a kill and to take cs when im not there.

So i really hate you people who keep shaming adcs for no reason.

You mentioned that it is a rare occurence. Which means it does in fact happen.

As I said before, I never said anything bad about ADCs, you just assume I did because I told you posts do in fact exist where ADC mains complain about being comboed.

I don't shame ADC mains, so stop thinking that I do when you have no evidence.

blueberrypancakeDec 21, 20161 votes

Can't Trist 1v1 Zac after bloodthirstier and triple crit?

QuksliceDec 22, 20162 votes

Ever heard of Thornmail?

LankPantsDec 22, 20163 votes

I think this train of thought is acceptable when the person is a tank though. The amount of times Ive seen an Adc who's not even doing that well blow up a fed tank is astonishing.

TheDelightedDec 21, 201614 votes

*assassin engages in a 1v2 vs a supp and an adc*

*dies*

"OMG, support heals/shields for 3 hp bars."

TequilaZombieDec 21, 20166 votes

I'm actually quite frustrated with the following situation:

Assassin uses his 1 mobility spell to reach a lone ADC split pushing. ADC uses his 1 mobility spell to get away from the assassin. Optionally, they both flash. ADC is still at range and is able to 1v1 kill the assassin.

Bonus tilt points if it's a Vayne with her EQAA bursting me faster than I can burst her.

NineTailedMysticDec 22, 20161 votes

Most Assassins have more than one way of getting to the target. Kat E resets, Talon R/Q/E, Leblanc W R/W, Zed R/W, Akali R 3x, Kassadin R

More conditional options are Rengar P, Khazix Evolved R.

The only real Assassin without more than 1 way to get there is Shaco.

TequilaZombieDec 22, 20161 votes

Unless Kat had a dagger laying directly besides the ADC in a 1v1 scenario, which is highely unlikely, she only has 1 shunpo.

Unless the enemy ADC is glued to a wall, Talon won't get into melee range with his E, he will either give up damage on his Q or give up the first hit from his ult. Likely both.

LB sure can.

Zed will, once again, give up damage in order to simply catch up.

Akali has 2 seconds delay before being able to close the gap again, which can be enough time for an ADC to take her down. Her shroud helps tho.

Kassadin has the same CD, but without any way to defend himself.

Rengo has an anti kite tool on his E, so he's likely fine.

Kha, unless his R is evolved, can be walked away from if he doesn't one shot.

Shaco has always been the most kiteable assassin, by far.

EROTIC RAID BOSSDec 22, 20161 votes

Q > E to dagger> still leaves both W and shunpoing directly onto the adc...

Cryo00Dec 21, 20166 votes

The only people I hear complaining about dying too fast are some ADC mains. Apparently its alright when mages or assassins have to build a GA or defence item to survive but ADCs need to be able to build 6 damage items and have the tankiness to survive against classes designed to destroy them.

Only Play DariusDec 21, 20165 votes

To be fair I don't want ADC's building item 3053 again

RalanrDec 22, 20164 votes

No one who mains a melee champion does.

Bushy ÞussyDec 22, 20161 votes

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RalanrDec 22, 20161 votes

Why would any of them want ADCs to build Steraks again?

Scary DoorDec 21, 20165 votes

Meanwhile, you can build six defensive items and still die just as fast thanks to damage creep.

MissingKayoDec 22, 20161 votes

cough LDR cough

bbQsauçeDec 21, 20164 votes

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EROTIC RAID BOSSDec 21, 20163 votes

TF should get abyssal but Jhin should just stay away from fizz tbh

weeaboomerDec 21, 20161 votes

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I totally agree, i just had a game with where TF and Jhin complained about not having counterplay, while they built 0 defensive items. Like, you're against fizz, don't rush lich bane first item maybe? Later in the game jhin bought a and i was pretty much useless in teamfight, nothing i could do.

Funny how I had a banshees and yet fizz still managed to crit me with his auto for 600 dmg dmg. Yes, fucking no counterplay bs. And yes, i did dodge his E, and only got hit by Q and auto.

MissingKayoDec 21, 20165 votes

First of all, Fizz doesn't build Crit. You mean his empowered W that takes like 2 full seconds to charge?

Second of all, what were you and your team doing while said trident was filling up over those 2 seconds? Just watching?

weeaboomerDec 23, 20161 votes

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First of all, Fizz doesn't build Crit. You mean his empowered W that takes like 2 full seconds to charge?

Second of all, what were you and your team doing while said trident was filling up over those 2 seconds? Just watching?

It's solo Q, ofc they were watching. And his empowered W auto shows up as a crit.

MordepoolDec 22, 20162 votes

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I totally agree, i just had a game with where TF and Jhin complained about not having counterplay, while they built 0 defensive items. Like, you're against fizz, don't rush lich bane first item maybe? Later in the game jhin bought a and i was pretty much useless in teamfight, nothing i could do.

Ya kinda sad they Nerfed steraks over ADC abuse

EROTIC RAID BOSSDec 21, 20162 votes

That's how adcs are designed.

now someone explain why all the whiners on this board are building full damage, dying to adcs in a few seconds, and then complaining about that?