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When will Poppy be nerfed?

Bay B··4 votes·1,653 views

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Bay%20B (The Renekton game)

Just played a game of ranked, Plat 5 with a match MMR of 1800. I played Renekton and I was against Poppy.

Firstly, is Riot going to address Poppys absurd kit damage? Not only can she out-trade me early (whilst building full tank and outscaling me) but her end game damage was only 1k below my teams fed Kai Sai.

You have a champ who builds full tank, whose kit is simply AF with 0 skill shots, deals shit tons of damage, can block dashes/has mobility AND can apply CC.

If Riot nerfed Poppys early game she would at least have a harder time getting to her 'invincible mid-late game state', but currently she's so dominate in lane that it's free.

If Riot can explain how a Full Tank Poppy is SUPPOSED to deal as much as a 11/1/10 Kai Sai, Ill understand. But the fact a full tank can deal as much as the strongest hyper carry in the game SEEMS a bit wrong, like that can't seriously be intended right?

18 Comments

chipndip13 votes

Poppy is good into a lot of fighters and skirmishers. She's BAD into juggernauts and some tanks (Malphite/Maokai are decent examples), as well as ranged shit like Viktor or Vayne or Quinn or some mess.

You're a fighter.

Well, that's just how that goes. She's in a position where she could stand to take a slight tuning down, but outside of that, you're just playing into someone that can handle Renekton's early game. You need to remember that warden champs like Poppy, Nunu, Shen, and Galio...these champs tend to have pretty good early game damage to make up for their lack of late game engage.

Lovelle II1 votes

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Poppy is good into a lot of fighters and skirmishers. She's BAD into juggernauts and some tanks (Malphite/Maokai are decent examples), as well as ranged shit like Viktor or Vayne or Quinn or some mess.

You're a fighter.

Well, that's just how that goes. She's in a position where she could stand to take a slight tuning down, but outside of that, you're just playing into someone that can handle Renekton's early game. You need to remember that warden champs like Poppy, Nunu, Shen...these champs tend to have pretty good early game damage to make up for their lack of late game engage.

Not sure about in lane, but Quinn's entire kit is countered by Poppy in teamfights. Poppy massively outscales her.

chipndip11 votes

I'm talking about lane. In later stages, Poppy E's and then ejects Quinn from...everything, but Poppy can't really 1v1 Quinn.

Bay B1 votes

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Poppy is good into a lot of fighters and skirmishers. She's BAD into juggernauts and some tanks (Malphite/Maokai are decent examples), as well as ranged shit like Viktor or Vayne or Quinn or some mess.

You're a fighter.

Well, that's just how that goes. She's in a position where she could stand to take a slight tuning down, but outside of that, you're just playing into someone that can handle Renekton's early game. You need to remember that warden champs like Poppy, Nunu, Shen, and Galio...these champs tend to have pretty good early game damage to make up for their lack of late game engage.

Poppy Q deals % max so how would super tanks counter her?

chipndip12 votes

Malphite synergizes super well with armor, has his passive shield, and lowers her attack speed, so he wins both short and long trades, and Maokai can out-scrap Poppy by taking Aftershock and sustaining through passive. It's practically impossible for Poppy to chew through it while he's building Armor.

Tanks like Sion and Cho'Gath, who's higher value skills during scraps are easier to avoid, are better for Poppy when it comes to tank vs. tank match-ups in-lane. Also note that Poppy doesn't engage hard, so if you just survive early game, her usefulness as a peel-bot won't be a good later on. As long as you don't feed, you're doing your job, especially if you're another tank. Poppy was designed to bully early, then transition into peel/defense, as an homage to her former self that was more in-line with fighter play styles.

Iota Theta1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bay B,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vdhBjsKY,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2018-11-03T18:53:51.836+0000)

Poppy Q deals % max so how would super tanks counter her?

It’s because even though her Q is 8% max HP, it deals physical damage, so champs that can easily build armour will start reducing the damage she does, especially since she doesn’t build much AD or armour pen,

FOR JUSTICE2 votes

just remember her passive is a free ass ranged true magic damage and operates more like poke, plus her q is spammable poke so that theoretically speaking is skewing the numbers.

Ill check tho cause this is kinda interesting

Raven Cadenza1 votes

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ill check the replay in a second, but just remember her passive is a free ass ranged true damage and operates more like poke, plus her q is spammable poke so that theoretically speaking is skewing the numbers.

again Ill check tho cause this is kinda interesting

i thought her passive was magic damage

FOR JUSTICE1 votes

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i thought her passive was magic damage

yep my b I'm just dumb I need my coffee.

but yeah the point still might remain though, it could just be poke skewing the numbers

Bay B1 votes

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ill check the replay in a second, but just remember her passive is a free ass ranged true magic damage and operates more like poke, plus her q is spammable poke so that theoretically speaking is skewing the numbers.

again Ill check tho cause this is kinda interesting

You think her passive is what lead her to deal as much as Kai Sai?

FOR JUSTICE2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bay B,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vdhBjsKY,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-11-03T17:33:15.815+0000)

You think her passive is what lead her to deal as much as Kai Sai?

I don't really say that, all I said was repeated poke during laning could skew the numbers. kaisa 100-0's, but idk how often you were trading in lane for that theory to even hold water. because it takes kaisa a few to reach that point.

Deνiruchi2 votes

Inb4 someone comes saying "BuT ShE's A fIGhTer" building literally full tank (and she's not the only champ).

Lovelle II2 votes

It's true. Poppy is nearly always at the top for both total damage dealt and taken in games, doesn't seem to matter who is playing her (gods help you if it's a main).

She has basically no risk to her playstyle. A champ this simple kit-wise should not be able to solo carry games so easily. Either her damage or her defense needs to be toned down.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

when Poppy actually deserves a nerf she will be nerfed. Sorry but you losing to a Poppy once is not enough to warrant any champion needing a nerf

Bay B1 votes

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when Poppy actually deserves a nerf she will be nerfed. Sorry but you losing to a Poppy once is not enough to warrant any champion needing a nerf

Lol I won the game so we didnt lose. I made this post because their full tank Poppy dealt as much damage as my 11/1/10 Kai Sai. . .those numbers just dont really add up

ZephyrDrake1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bay B,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vdhBjsKY,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-11-04T16:01:59.924+0000)

Lol I won the game so we didnt lose. I made this post because their full tank Poppy dealt as much damage as my 11/1/10 Kai Sai. . .those numbers just dont really add up

those numbers do add up. For all I know your Kaisa was just there to last hit stuff vs a Poppy who was constantly fighting against someone. It's the same reason why poke champions have stupid amounts of damage done even if they get no kills or seem to do much damage at all. "damage dealt to champions" is just a worthless stat since it doesn't really tell you anything. You can have two champions who will never be able to kill each other just constantly hitting each other and get that stat as high as possible or have poke champions just constantly poke others even if their poke is insignificant and barely manage to achieve anything and does type of champions are going to top the damage charts vs champions whose damage is more instant and less overtime

Bay B1 votes

BUMP

wolvius1 votes

Don't you dare touch poppy until irelia either gets nerf hammered or fairly balanced there needs to be some counter to that shit.

If you were playing renekton im guessing she was keeping her W for your second dash as you only have so long to recast it and that's how you typically retreat/end trades, try to just walk away from trades if you know she still has it available. You don't want her to get that second Q damage proc off from the W stun, you probably already know to avoid walls but I'll just mention it anyway. Poppy needs to get both 8%hp Q proc to win a trade, avoiding wall's and w knockdown and you should win. Early armour also helps against her Q damage and doesn't renekton get dreadnought as a latter game armour item so that armour wouldn't go to waste. Her Q damage doesn't scale very well into the game as you will get more armour from levelling as opposed to thanks who have magic damage.

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