People are claiming Zoe doesn't deal a lot of damage?

Glîtchy·Jul 5, 2018·6 votes·3,110 views

Her paddle star nearly 1-hit killed me when I had 150 MR and 3400 HP (max HP)

Seriously what the hell do people mean she does little damage?

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Warlord RhinarkJul 5, 201812 votes

How many people do you come across that says Zoe doesn't deal a lot of damage?

I'm genuinely curious.

GlîtchyJul 5, 20183 votes

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How many people do you come across that says Zoe doesn't deal a lot of damage?

I'm genuinely curious.

Pretty much every Zoe I've ever faced, only Zoe player Ik who acknowledges this is my brother (Zoe/Pyke/Taliyah player) who said her stupid damage in paddle star + sleep is disgusting.

EDIT: however he only plays her when the opposition is being Veigar, Kat, Fizz, basically someone who you need to kill faster

Subject 5Jul 5, 20184 votes

Proof or it didn't happen

GlîtchyJul 5, 20185 votes

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Proof or it didn't happen

If you're expecting a video, the file convergence doesn't work on my computer, plus I don't even have a youtube account

Subject 5Jul 5, 20182 votes

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If you're expecting a video, the file convergence doesn't work on my computer, plus I don't even have a youtube account

Well let's say that it did happen.

What would Zoe be doing if she wasn't able to take somebody out of the fight by making them go B early as an artillery mage?

GlîtchyJul 5, 20184 votes

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Well let's say that it did happen.

What would Zoe be doing if she wasn't able to take somebody out of the fight by making them go B early as an artillery mage?

I mean as in the damage is ridiculous everyone says "veigar/Darius/Nasus/Urgot/ ult is so op" yet the real cancer here is Zoe's paddle star, the hell is with the scaling?

Subject 5Jul 5, 20181 votes

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I mean as in the damage is ridiculous everyone says "veigar/Darius/Nasus/Urgot/ ult is so op" yet the real cancer here is Zoe's paddle star, the hell is with the scaling?

Have ya played Zoe before? She's pretty expensive for new or even moderately new people to the game, it's mostly because of how niche she really is in comparison to a flex pick. I personally don't play her, but I've played her in customs to know how she works.

Basically the Q itself isn't the damage that you're feeling, it's the E that puts you to sleep and offers a huge damage bonus. Her entire kit is based all around this, and if Zoe is ahead of you when you're asleep and she's firing her Q then you're either:

A) Really fucking dead B) Probably close to death, you need to go home and likely lose an objective because of it

The problem for Zoe is that her E is blocked by targets and so is her Q. That's a really big problem. Another thing about her is that Zoe is an Artillery mage, so she is very weak up close. Even less of a threat than supports while her E is down. We're talking SONA levels of threat. Artillery mages are like this, they're suppose to either kill you far away or make you go back and use the time for objectives. If Zoe wasn't able to do that to you, she wouldn't be able to function at all. Luckily there are a lot of ways to avoid getting hit by her E, this is what I do:

Stand behind minion, Go the 'long way around' if she is out of sight,

Scan for wards ALWAYS, if she can't see you: she can't see to land her E. Remember, Q does literally nothing to you and can be shrugged off with lifesteal, Keep her in your line of sight while moving. You can multi-task this. Also keep your support around to body block.

Don't flash away from her if you're running and she's on your tail, unless if you're close to a turret. She'll use your summoner against you.

Modl Ryden lJul 5, 20181 votes

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I mean as in the damage is ridiculous everyone says "veigar/Darius/Nasus/Urgot/ ult is so op" yet the real cancer here is Zoe's paddle star, the hell is with the scaling?

Damage on her Paddlestar scales with how far it travels from it's recast. Additionally, her Sleepy Trouble Bubble grants extra damage converts and a portion of the damage from the first ability she lands on a slept enemy into true damage.

It takes a lot more set up than you think and is hard to pull off if you're new to Zoe.

They need to be slept and hopefully not woken by other teammates skills or cleansed out
You need to have Paddlestar at the ready
You need to cover as much distance as possible to maximize damage, Portal Jump, Enemy Flash on W, Self-Flash.
You need to NOT miss! 4a) You need to NOT hit a minion on Paddlestar's recast.

DoktorKaiserJul 5, 20184 votes

Xerath is a fucking artillery mage.

Ziggs is a fucking artillery mage.

Zoe is an artillery assassin. If Xerath can be balanced with doing 500 magic damage per ability, then Zoe doesn't need 2000+ true damage per ability. Worst designed champion in league thus far, even if you ignore the retarded damage her W just makes me wonder who the fuck hires people to work at RIOT and why is CertainlyT still employed.

DW DianaJul 5, 20182 votes

Her damage is massively high you're right, but that's because almost ALL of her damage is in her Q. Her Ult is just a delayed boost to her Q and E with some mobility thrown in, and her E is pretty much there to set up her Q...

She is also squishy as all hell. Don't get me wrong, i think her very existence in league is a mistake and balancing her is likely to be an ongoing nightmare for many seasons to come, but right now? I think she's pretty fair compared to most hypermobile hypercarries lol.

IllabetheJul 5, 20183 votes

Actually Season 8 patches took about 20% of her damage out of her Q and put it in W, making her far stronger as a mid range skirmisher than just a Q popper.

DW DianaJul 5, 20182 votes

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Actually Season 8 patches took about 20% of her damage out of her Q and put it in W, making her far stronger as a mid range skirmisher than just a Q popper.

Oh i know, but an E+Q will still take you down a hell of a lot lol. Her W is a free summoner, movement speed buff, and very little damage when compared.

IllabetheJul 5, 20182 votes

She does more with Lich Bane/Sparkle/W than with Q tbh. That's why her win rate skyrocketed when they shifted her damage over. Q/E is unreliable. Like Pyke's Ult..... It's maybe responsible for 3-4 kills a game. The rest are good ole auto attack punking.

Only in low elo does Q/E really dominate..... because they don't have the common sense/motor skills to get out of the way or create distance.

DW DianaJul 5, 20181 votes

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She does more with Lich Bane/Sparkle/W than with Q tbh. That's why her win rate skyrocketed when they shifted her damage over. Q/E is unreliable. Like Pyke's Ult..... It's maybe responsible for 3-4 kills a game. The rest are good ole auto attack punking.

Only in low elo does Q/E really dominate..... because they don't have the common sense/motor skills to get out of the way or create distance.

I mean I don't play her, but I imagine her Q still does most of the heavy lifting, just her passive, lichbane and W finish them off. Much like malz last season, people complained his ult did too much damage when it was his e and voidlings doing the real work.

IllabetheJul 5, 20182 votes

Go try her sometime..... see how much a Lich Bane shot does when stacked with More Sparkles and the additional damage from her W :) On a good Zoe it's 800-1200 damage. And now they gave her faster move speed earlier with W, so that's a huge part of it too.

In high elo you generally don't land many sleeps so Q's don't hit unless there's no way out (like a skinny jungle corridor), or around obtuse corners which normally don't get warded (I once had a Zoe stand right between the blind spot by the river buffer wall right of mid, between where the bush wards would be, and use R at its longest range to hop over the wall, and poke me at a diagonal with Lich + an activated W and auto attack me for a 100-0 kill..... no Q involved or E).

I'd say "positioning" does the heavy lifting personally. Her entire kit is probably about equally dangerous. It's knowing the rules about Blinking through walls or distance of wall abuse and knowing where to R so that aren't killed on the return or entry which makes a Zoe dangerous.

If they don't know those things..... they feed like the worst champ in the game. (I've R'd across some pretty insane distances which would have got me 200+ % Bonus damage on Q if it wasn't capped at 150%)

GlîtchyJul 5, 20181 votes

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Go try her sometime..... see how much a Lich Bane shot does when stacked with More Sparkles and the additional damage from her W :) On a good Zoe it's 800-1200 damage. And now they gave her faster move speed earlier with W, so that's a huge part of it too.

In high elo you generally don't land many sleeps so Q's don't hit unless there's no way out (like a skinny jungle corridor), or around obtuse corners which normally don't get warded (I once had a Zoe stand right between the blind spot by the river buffer wall right of mid, between where the bush wards would be, and use R at its longest range to hop over the wall, and poke me at a diagonal with Lich + an activated W and auto attack me for a 100-0 kill..... no Q involved or E).

I'd say "positioning" does the heavy lifting personally. Her entire kit is probably about equally dangerous. It's knowing the rules about Blinking through walls or distance of wall abuse and knowing where to R so that aren't killed on the return or entry which makes a Zoe dangerous.

If they don't know those things..... they feed like the worst champ in the game. (I've R'd across some pretty insane distances which would have got me 200+ % Bonus damage on Q if it wasn't capped at 150%)

I'd rather not play as one of CertainlyT's shitty creations

IllabetheJul 5, 20181 votes

Then your loss and you'll probably struggle climbing, as you want to impose an externality on yourself and not use the entire set of tools at your disposal.

P.S. That also means you can't play

Darius Thresh Zyra Yasuo Kalista Warwick Mordekaiser Graves Caitlyn ...

Those are all CertainlyT Champs....

Yet you already play Darius.....

IllabetheJul 5, 20182 votes

She doesn't do a lot of consistent damage over the course of a game.

No one ever has said she doesn't have a lot of 1 shot potential.

Btw, there is no way she almost 1 shot you with 150 MR. At ALL.

That required her to hit E, and sleep you, which does some damage of its own.
That required a followup Q.
She might have even auto attacked you during her R, which she also would have had to have used.

I looked up this game..... and you hyper fed her as a Vlad (dunno how you lose as a Vlad) 3/11 vs 15/8. You did 11k champ damage as Vlad to their team. How did that happen in 33 minutes? I mean..... your team was bad...... real bad. 5k Damage Pyke, 1/10 Heimerdinger..... The only people half playing safe were Nocturne and Ez. You don't expect fed champs when 3 members of a team had them gift wrapped kills/drakes?

lolipopevelynnJul 5, 20182 votes

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Her paddle star nearly 1-hit killed me when I had 150 MR and 3400 HP (max HP)

Seriously what the hell do people mean she does little damage?

I know 200% for a FACT you are lying out ur ass. "Almost 1 hit me with 150 mr and 3400 hp" implies she hit you for 3000 dmg THROUGH the magix resist. Her numbers, even from max range E Q combo, cant hit that hard. Its impossible. Even 2000 hp is not possible for her UNLESS you have zero mr. If you said "3400 hp with 50 mr" then you would somewhat believable, but only if the zoe was fed out her mind.

IllabetheJul 5, 20182 votes

Technically 3k damage hits are possible once she has Void staff, but yeah. He was the direct cause of her being fed. He somehow fed her on Vladimir , even though with Mercurial boots he should literally be able to Blood Pool her Q, or if he's going to get hit by Sleep, Blood pool there instead... Vlad's kit pretty heavily counters Zoe's and he fed her like a champ.

GlîtchyJul 5, 20181 votes

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Technically 3k damage hits are possible once she has Void staff, but yeah. He was the direct cause of her being fed. He somehow fed her on , even though with Mercurial boots he should literally be able to Blood Pool her Q, or if he's going to get hit by Sleep, Blood pool there instead... Vlad's kit pretty heavily counters Zoe's and he fed her like a champ.

Their jg camped the shit outta me not much I can do there.

Lets have shrexJul 5, 20181 votes

Funny that you're complaining about Zoe when on "this game" you were playing Vlad

Madsin25Jul 5, 20181 votes

I guess vlad is not so brainless after all.

Good luck lmfao.

GlîtchyJul 5, 20181 votes

Time to kms because I used Darius but that answers why I hate Graves and Cait so much, also I don't even play those others, once Akali's rework rolls around, I'll just boycott using her.