as in a queue where you can avoid ALL party sizes, duo to full team, I mean it leads to a one sided game if it's a full premade vs. all randoms, in other words, make a queue where parties of any size are prohibited and you literally have to queue solo
banana boy21 voteswell, because of riot's non-existent dev team, queues are already long enough. breaking it down would make it take eternities
Glîtchy8 votes[{quoted}](name=banana boy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=peNdjj51,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-01T20:31:57.117+0000)
well, because of riot's non-existent dev team, queues are already long enough. breaking it down would make it take eternities
Not saying “solo queueing will be impossible to do with teams” I think we should just have the option to avoid being punk’d by such bullshit
aezens8 votesActually this could improve ranked since premates are distributed between flex and solo/due queue at the moment.
If premates are shifted flex matchmaking delay will be shortened in rankled flex and ranked solo matchmaking should be faster as well because the system doesn´t have to balance teams whit premades that have larger variation in mmr.
Win-win situation in terms of queue time.
Ragnaveil7 votesSo make a queue that puts me at the mercy of 4 other people even more? I'm already dealing with it now, i'd rather have things just stay the same since making it change to something like this achieves nothing but making shit worse.
Glîtchy7 votesSo make a queue that puts me at the mercy of 4 other people even more? I'm already dealing with it now, i'd rather have things just stay the same since making it change to something like this achieves nothing but making shit worse.
Oh yeah cause it’s SO FUN losing because it’s a 4-5 man premade vs. your team of randoms.
Wimbledofy2 votesSo you mean unranked solo?
Glîtchy1 votesSo you mean unranked solo?
yes, as in with unranked you have an option to avoid ALL premades
Wimbledofy1 votesyou really should clarify that in your original post, because everyone is assuming you are talking about ranked.
Lhuhz1 votesSo, you are playing flex alone? Because otherwise you can only get 2 mans premades.
Well, not even on Flex you can have a 4 man premade, maybe you didn't knew it.
Beast Brawler1 votesYou can still get 5 mans or 3 mans, 5 man vs 5 solo or 1 duo and 3 solo, either way it's rather likely to go against people with differences in skill levels.
Glîtchy1 votesSo, you are playing flex alone? Because otherwise you can only get 2 mans premades.
Well, not even on Flex you can have a 4 man premade, maybe you didn't knew it.
No, not flex, regular games, I can’t get better at ranked solo/duo if forced to play against 4-5 man premades when practicing
NoDiscussion5 votesThese normal games and the 3-5 person premades I play with or against are killing me.
It's not just that premades are sometimes toxic(yes for the last time, I know some of them are pretty decent).
Some of them are absolutely controlling and lose their cool with you when you do anything they don't like. "Oh we already have our team comp planned out, and you are going to fill it by playing X champion. No talk back or we're all reporting." Obviously multiple reports don't matter, but the attitude is just disgusting.
Then there's the enemy premades who definitely are using the game as a practice for 5's which make the game a pain for the unorganized solo players and smaller premades on the other team.
There's also the fact that it messes with the mmr of the game. No prizes for guessing what a premade of 4 plat players gets you matched up against(think one was gold but w/e).
And finally there's the nice ones, the rare and few in between who will really level with you, and if you're lucky they'll even invite you to discord so you can coordinate with them.
So yeah, it's been a fun time.
Glîtchy2 votesThese normal games and the 3-5 person premades I play with or against are killing me.
It's not just that premades are sometimes toxic(yes for the last time, I know some of them are pretty decent).
Some of them are absolutely controlling and lose their cool with you when you do anything they don't like. "Oh we already have our team comp planned out, and you are going to fill it by playing X champion. No talk back or we're all reporting." Obviously multiple reports don't matter, but the attitude is just disgusting.
Then there's the enemy premades who definitely are using the game as a practice for 5's which make the game a pain for the unorganized solo players and smaller premades on the other team.
There's also the fact that it messes with the mmr of the game. No prizes for guessing what a premade of 4 plat players gets you matched up against(think one was gold but w/e).
And finally there's the nice ones, the rare and few in between who will really level with you, and if you're lucky they'll even invite you to discord so you can coordinate with them.
So yeah, it's been a fun time.
I'd have no problems with 5 man premades if they at least put me with a 4 man premade like 60% of the time, but that's not the case here, you're almost ALWAYS all randoms vs full premade unless you get a duo.
NoDiscussion1 votesI'd have no problems with 5 man premades if they at least put me with a 4 man premade like 60% of the time, but that's not the case here, you're almost ALWAYS all randoms vs full premade unless you get a duo.
Not all premades are good to begin with. Some of them are honestly just as uncoordinated as a group of randoms. So then that 4 person premade you just got put with only serves to put you against another 4-5 person premade(which may or may not be coordinated) or against a team that has someone who has much higher rank than anyone else on your team at minimum because that's how the game balances it.
Shazzbot694 votesI mean dota 2 already does this thing where it will try it's best to make sure both teams have the same amount of premades. You have a premade team of two? So will the other team. You have a premade of 4? The other team will try to have a premade of 4 or failing that, two premades of two. And it doesn't really take that long to find a match, as long as you are not queuing for unpopular game modes, or at times where people in your region are sleeping etc. I don't see why Riot cannot try to do something similar, assuming that is, they are not already doing something similar.
Sewer Side2 votesI mean dota 2 already does this thing where it will try it's best to make sure both teams have the same amount of premades. You have a premade team of two? So will the other team. You have a premade of 4? The other team will try to have a premade of 4 or failing that, two premades of two. And it doesn't really take that long to find a match, as long as you are not queuing for unpopular game modes, or at times where people in your region are sleeping etc. I don't see why Riot cannot try to do something similar, assuming that is, they are not already doing something similar.
League does that, or at least used to.
It’s more obvious in Dota because they draw attention to it during match line up and if you press tab during matches.
ExpStealer3 votesI mean dota 2 already does this thing where it will try it's best to make sure both teams have the same amount of premades. You have a premade team of two? So will the other team. You have a premade of 4? The other team will try to have a premade of 4 or failing that, two premades of two. And it doesn't really take that long to find a match, as long as you are not queuing for unpopular game modes, or at times where people in your region are sleeping etc. I don't see why Riot cannot try to do something similar, assuming that is, they are not already doing something similar.
They tried Dynamic Queue. We all know how that turned out.
ArtumisPrime4 votesThis would never work.
Every solo person would queue for this, 4-man premades in normals unable to get any games ever.
For ranked this would completely remove the idea of duo queue.
OneMustFall3 votesWorst. Idea. Ever.
Glîtchy2 votesWorst. Idea. Ever.
please, share what would work better to make an ACTUALLY fair queue
Dracocrash2 votesplease, share what would work better to make an ACTUALLY fair queue
solo/duo que is a fair queue
Glîtchy1 votessolo/duo que is a fair queue
A duo is fair, but I mean a full premade is bullshit to put a full team of randoms against
OneMustFall1 votesIt can't be a full premade. There will always be at least one solo player on both teams. It's extremely rare to have a game where there are multiple duo teams to start with and half the time the duo players wind up being the worst players on the team.
Lhuhz1 votesBut you CANT get a full premade unless you are playing flex on purpuse.
Wimbledofy1 votesHe's talking about normals. For some reason he doesn't realize everyone thinks he is talking about ranked and he hasn't bothered to clarify.
Gatherer3 votesThey cant even fix the client or balance the game. You are asking too much :(
Poske3 votesFlex already includes duo. There is no reason for SoloQ to include it aswell
But Rito Dev team is a bright squad
Saevum2 votesI have considered the possibility (hypothesis) that the system of selecting your role might have the downside of not equally matching Elo as efficiently as it was previous seasons due to role preference and new changes, hence, deluding itself (passively) in a larger error margin across tiers.
And then, the question arises: but why do we experience this now?
Short answer: New Tiers added, less playerbase playing at the moment due to Rank instability, and Smurf accounts.
Long answer: The Elo scrambling of those who where B5, S5, G5, P5, D5 resulted in some sort of synthoms that declined in MMR 'clamps' that extend across the provisional matches and normal rank matches, including Flex matches. These clamps or 'disturbed strange LP gains' will hit you hard until you either: Reach the lowest rank for it to even itself (this is just a guess, might not work) or, Struggle your way until it's magically fixed by jumping Tiers (also a guess, might not work).
i.e. The jumping Tier 'unclamp' hypotesis: iron 1 to bronze 5, bronze 1 to Silver 5, Silver 1 to Gold 5, etc.
You can also consider that i am just a madman and that Rito has driven me into insanity. And i would perfectly agree with that 200% AD scaling mixed with True damage with a double crit chance passive efficiency
KVbqbFsC8e2 votesThey said they would add this back in Season 6 when that entire Dynamic que disaster started, but of course it never happened and I highly doubt that it ever will.
DeracadaVenom1 votesI did 4 full premade games today, won all of them. Always played Nami with a Xayah ADC, Shyv or Varus jng, Tristana or Darius top, and Jax mid. It was amazingly fun. We crushed them every time. I say instead of a SOLO mode they make a PREMADE mode. Only full premades use it. So parties of say, 3, can do a normal together with 2 filled teammates.
Lhuhz1 votesSo, you are winning normal games as a 4 mans premade and I should care that exactly because ... ?
I mean, if you tried to lie saying that it was on ranked it's a really bad lie considering that you CANT play as 4 premade on Flex.
DeracadaVenom1 votesNo it was a full 5 man premade and we played 4 games haha. Sorry about my bad english
ÌnDeed1 votesThe only thing those brainless monkeys have to do is REMOVE DUO QUEUE AND PUT SOLO QUEUE ONLY. Is it that hard to THINK riot ??
WoΘxer1 votesI love matchmaking im Solo Q facing double premades, SO MUCH FUN when my entire team is solo Q
9NINE1 votesi get it but it's kinda hard as an adc or supp. bot lane is a very different beast than mid and top that you really need that communication and trust with your partner.
D4M2X01 votesthis was supposed to happen 3 years ago but riot gave us 5 man premades instead -_- duoQ is painfully easy
Crescent Dusk1 votesNothing more fun than going midlane against a duo or trio where their jg is part of that duo/trio so you're getting camped 24/7.
Butterwood1 votesI'll upvote this every time it's brought up
KARABICA JEBAC 1 votesI would welcome this in rankeds. We already have ranked flex for premades dunno why should we suffer from duo premade in soloQ.
Puffleman281 votesas in a queue where you can avoid ALL party sizes, duo to full team, I mean it leads to a one sided game if it's a full premade vs. all randoms, in other words, make a queue where parties of any size are prohibited and you literally have to queue solo
Honestly I agree, I've always felt that playing solo support and then being matched against a duo bot lane just feels super unfair or the worst of them all, a 4 man and a solo player queue, or the 3 man and duo vs a 5 man premade
Power Cosmic1 votesThe majority of players actually play solo. So I would be fine with it. But Riot doesn't want to destroy duo que, bc that is what it would do. Too bad money drives most decisions.
Bob the Toastr1 votesUnfortunately, playing with a friend is the only way this trash game is playable.
5050BS1 votesmany of us have been asking for this Since like S5
Riot does not want to do it because they dont have the numbers.....
Issue is that Riot is in the business of boosting (has money in the businesses that do it) and if Rnaked was SoloQ only you cant have paid boosters that Duo. You only can have paid boosters that play your account and thats riskier for the player and also harder for the booster.
Rhoy of Mirrah1 votesMeanwhile you're complaining as a silver player, while people who know their crap are Diamond+. Your opinion isn't very valuable, being silver on an unpopulated server. We don't need more unskilled crybabies like you.
Learn to play before you complain
In ranked duos are being looked down upon bellw diamond 1 because one of them always end up being too mucb of a liability for the other to matter. If you invite somekne, be prepared to pull their weight.
OP, you're full of garbage.
Saianna1 votesOh so you mean to return to the state game was pre Dynamic queue, that backfired so hard, they had to revert it year after and they still added the crappy system, but this time quietly?
NoDiscussion1 votesJust got on and went to quickly grab my first win of the day bonus when I got queued up with a 3 man who banned my top 3 played champions and sat there talking smack to me non-stop.
This needs to stop.
