zed buffs might have been a lil much.

Just please take away his pushing power. The fact that he can farm from far away and poke shouldn't be in an assassin like him.

I thought he's supposed to have a strong early game...also, most assassins can 1v1 jg early-mid, right...

You clearly don't understand how Zed functions if you think his recent buffs were even remotely relevant. But sure, lets be biased and not bring up the fact that his W Q combo now feels like you're playing on 200 ping when you use it. Lets also not bring up that they STILL didn't fix his W Q W bug, even thought they said they did (it still happens, but not as often).

His recent buffs did almost nothing. a little more shadow range and missile speed on it and a little bit of ult damage. Honestly, how many times have you thought, "FUCK MAN IF THEY DIDN'T BUFF HIS W RANGE AND SPEED BY A LAUGHABLE AMOUNT I WOULDA TOTALLY KILLED HIS ASS"?

Probably never. This is just another "nerf Zed" jerk because none of you know how to properly play against him. Sure, if this item in particular goes live at it's current state (which it almost 100% WON'T), it might break him, but let's stop pretending they gave him these massive buffs allowing him to tear up every opposition thrown at him, please.

Zed is literally the last assassin you should be complaining about.

5% damage boys. A WHOLE LOT 5% WATCH OUT!!!

Zed got buffs? That explains a lot actually...

no you see, i talked with zed mains!

he has a high skill cap, like lee sin!

Also, don't forget, since he's an energy user, he has less damage and higher cooldowns than other champions!

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Just gonna repost what I wrote in another topic:

The thing that bothers me the most about Zed is that once you're at 80% or lower as a midlaner, all he has to do is basically ult you and it's gg. But hey, it's not like he has energy so he can continuously spam Q/W/E to get you there. Most mana based champions are at a disadvantage against him, as he can still fairly easily farm, spam poke and ultimately get easy kills, while said manabased champions have very limited resources and sustain.

Even if you get a gank while you're at 80% or lower, he can either escape (W) or ult and take one with him - and chances are, he can still escape after a kill due to "do I want to go to W or R"...

I really feel for most squishy midlaners, but luckily I main Malzahar, and I enjoy crushing most Zeds. Zed ults? Oh golly, let me just Q behind me, pool, aids, ult and maybe ignite for good measure. Only 2 problems are as following:

A. When(if) he gets double kills botlane because either bot didn't see/respect my pings, or I just killed him and he went straight there. Or, you know, I forgot to ping, sshhh.

And/or

B. When you face the skilled high plat+ player who builds QSS/Mercurial (because high AD, some ArP, lifesteal and the almighty CC/dot cleanse makes it soo annoying for poor AD champs to buy this almost useless item), maybe followed by maw if deemed necessary. In those scenarios, you have to be better than the Zed, and bait out the QSS active before being able to win - and that's as a hard counter.

Example: Zed ults in, you Q/W/E, fucking wait till you see the almighty release of the white bubble, likely due to the silence, and then you ult his sorry ass. You might even still die after this, depending on timing, cause all he needs is a rotation of abilities and a few AAs - after that you better pray you had money for a zhonyas. Also, worst case scenario: He's a fucking Jedi, and doesn't use QSS active till you actually ult - in which case you might as well try the good old southpark "duck and cover". :P

Luckily, these "skilled QSS players" are rare and only experienced one Jedi in my time so far - but he was consistent, so it is just a matter of skill.

Lastly, check Zed's winning % at 125+ games played: http://champion.gg/champion/zed Which leads to "but I had to be good at this champion to win alot", which was the excact same case for malzahar, and he got nerfed in a stupid way - even though, I'll admit, he's far easier to pick up, but in the end just as hard to master, because kit is more limited, making mistakes punished harder. Any coordinated team, specially jungler, is a nightmare for Malz.

Anyways, so why does Zed always get away homefree from any true lasting nerfs? Why did they buff so many things at once instead of nudging him "back in place"? And why, of all things, did they they buff his ult...

Seriously, balance team, I mean... c-c-c-come on.

PS. Make Zed a mana champ, lololol! :P Flies away fueled by own massive flatulation

He is an ASSASSIN!!! He is supposed to do the most damage among all classes. What did you expect? He should deal the most raw damage all stages of the game aming all classes. That's why he is an Assassin. Bruisers are not supposed to outdamage him but to outsustain him in a close quarter fight. Also, why would junglers outdamage him??? Zed is in a lane and that by default means more gold and with the kill potential, his income can be even higher. Gold=Strength and more gold=more strength, so, i don't get your points. Even late game, Assassins do more raw damage than any other class, that's their thing, Damage output and kill potential. Your points are invalid.

Careful before they make him into an ADC( ). I can see the future, trust.

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isn't he supposed to be strong 1v1 mid game?

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Every Zed I play against basically doesn't do anything but sit at tower spamming Q to farm and wait for a gank or once in a while use their shadow to try and get easy damage post 6 so they can just ult ignite for a kill on pretty much any character.

Well designed Riot.

Zed is a complete joke, he always was a joke. An assassin cannot farm this freely and still be an assassin, Riot has their favourites and we all know that. The point is that many noobs play zed, so the winrate drops. But when you find a zed that knows his job, he has the ability to be very obnoxious.

I love it when someone gets changed/buffed and people suddenly say 'X is a bit to strong at Y', just that that's how it always has been.

Zeds damage hardly changed at all, the 5% bigger amp hardly makes much difference in his total damage, he always had the potential to 1v1 nearly anyone, especially with the BotrK+Yomuu's+LW built befor preseason if the target didn't manage to avoid him after in the 3 sec after ult. Also, i often enough 1v1 bruisers with fizz, diana, LB, Wu...only talon really has huge troubles vs bruisers, as he has to high manacosts and to bad disengage to really play around them with hit n' run tactics/harras, and to small tankiness/dps for an all in.

What changed is the usabillity of his W, and that causes a good zed to be really hard to catch, as his W once again is as fast as flash, and it also makes avoiding his harras even harder than it already was, which ontop of his huge damage, which always existed, is a bit much.

But your post makes it look like he only recently has enough damage to fight bruisers 1v1, and it also implies that assasins can't 1v1 bruisers early/mid which simply is a false asumption. Bruisers migh not be easy matchups that can be facerolled as assasin, but they are far from unbeatable.