completely balanced champion. its not like literally every other release in the last year and a half has had 45% winrate on first patch at best.
but i'd like to hear the excuses on why shes balanced
also 72% BANRATE
Eedat58 votesLol I remember making a post a few weeks ago that got downvoted into oblivion with people saying she was fine or actually needed buffs.
She's straight up broken. People will still tell you "hurr durr just knock her out of her ult" like you're supposed to play Alistar top just because Camille exists as a champion
Ralanr27 votesI'm pretty sure she was released a few weeks ago and people were more inclined to wait and see rather than outright judge at first glance.
notice me Sin pi2 votesbased on people's initial response to plants in jungle, i dont think so
Ralanr6 votesYou mean how people stopped caring after release?
notice me Sin pi3 votesyes
Jet Sett2 votesI only cared because I never heard of the compensation Riot was giving to make up for losing smite buffs. I thought we were straight up getting plants and losing all the sustain we needed to jungle effectively early.
Tychusfindlay91917 votesI'm pretty sure she was released a few weeks ago and people were more inclined to wait and see rather than outright judge at first glance.
You either hard counter camille as someone like nasus or you die out the second she gets sheen.
Contrary to initial belief, she doesnt really get countered by other duelists like fiora or juggies like darius, though that may just be because her numbers are too damn high. Her kit actually isnt that bad, it's just her numbers which only make her hardest counters able to deal with her.
Her E needs a cd nerf because her roam outclasses talon's at max rank E since she doesnt have a cooldown on terrain pieces.
JJI74410 votesYou can fight her fine as a duelist, as you would expect. Problem: she has just about the most absurd gank assistance imaginable. Its kinda hard to try to duel when you are 100% dead if her jungler shows up when you are withing a screen's length of her.
Zerenza3 votesI'd say, out of the duelist roster, fiora has the best chance, she can reposte her ult and stop it from procing which is REALLY nice. Reposte her Q second proc and such, just overall she has an easier time.
Poppy is an AMAZING counter to camille and she's borderline broken right now too so yeah. I'v also had trouble with Shen.
Sckullzz3 votesLol I remember making a post a few weeks ago that got downvoted into oblivion with people saying she was fine or actually needed buffs.
She's straight up broken. People will still tell you "hurr durr just knock her out of her ult" like you're supposed to play Alistar top just because Camille exists as a champion
Or poppy, or Jayce, or Tristana, or Lee Sin, or Azir, or Gnar, or Gragas, or Hecarim, or Orianna (difficult with ult but still possible), or Singed, or Syndra, or Tahm Kench, or Thresh, or Trundle, or Urgot (possibly?), or Vayne, or Vi or Viktor (similar position issues with Ori ult), or Volibear, or Zac. You have options lol
Orangesilk2 votesTristana top, Azir top, Gragas top, Hecarim top, Orianna top, Syndra top, Thresh top, Vi top, Viktor top.
Yeah, you're talking out of your arsehole.
Sckullzz2 votesTristana top, Azir top, Gragas top, Hecarim top, Orianna top, Syndra top, Thresh top, Vi top, Viktor top.
Yeah, you're talking out of your arsehole.
How is Vi, Grag, and Hec me talking out of my ass? Those are viable top laners lol The others like Azir and Viktor would be difficult to use as I already explained. Those are options. Some are more viable than others.
Eedat2 votesGragas is trash. Lane gragas was gutted years ago and even jungle gragas was gutted because competitive. Hecarims knockback relies on Camille mispositioned because we all know how fun "counterplay" is when it revolves solely around the enemy fucking up. Hi can't even knock her out of her ult so RIP to you when the jungler shows up and she zero-counterplay point and click traps you for 4 seconds while you get gang banged
yangus Beef2 votesUrgot hard counters Camille. Receive your blessing from the GOD 
Xonra1 voteslol no
Every time you walk up for a cs she just bounces off the wall and gets a shiled so you will never win a trade.
And then Urgot 100-0's her in 2 autos and 3 q's, with a shield of his own and 15% damage reduction. Not to mention ult. No way Camille ever wins that trade if the Urgot is good.
Xonra1 votesExcept Urgot doesn't 100-0 anyone at any point in the game O_o He doesn't burst, he has sustain. Unless the Camille is brain dead and playing with their feet, you aren't doing any sort of 100-0 unless they go afk in a minion wave after selling all their items. It just isn't gonna happen.
Bouncemaster Zac2 votesLol I remember making a post a few weeks ago that got downvoted into oblivion with people saying she was fine or actually needed buffs.
She's straight up broken. People will still tell you "hurr durr just knock her out of her ult" like you're supposed to play Alistar top just because Camille exists as a champion
I made a Camille crythread on day one and literally every reply was "lul just pick 
and rekt her." A week later and now look at the boards. (ps she counters Darius, not the other way around)
Matezoide40 votesAnd everyone insulted me whenever i said Jarvan would be ridiculously broken if his ult stopped dashes.
MunchCrunchLunch16 votesAnd everyone insulted me whenever i said Jarvan would be ridiculously broken if his ult stopped dashes.
Incoming -5 ad nerf.
TehNACHO11 votesThat's actually a lot for Camille and Jarvan to be frank.
MohawkBird6 votes[deleted]
Oakleaf Ranger2 votesI think it's funny that she also has line for people who try to flash out of her ult. Hehe not even flash can save your ass.
Xonra2 votesThat is honestly the only part of it that I find to be BS. I don't mind the dashes and leaps part as much, but not being able to flash out of it as well is actually just dumb.
h5LYF41Lam18 votesRiot HQ;how will we pretend to fix all the broken champs?
Meddler:i gotchu fam
releases broken champion that reaches 70% banrate
meddler:all banrates have dropped we fixed the game
Verdade4 votesYasuo, Janna and Darius are broken? WHAT?!
Hello I am Bird5 voteslmao @ everyone downvoting you because you said Yasuo isn't broken
######Also yes all three of those champs are broken in case you didn't notice.
B1naryB0t1 votesIf they're so broken why was Darius last played by pros in June of 2016? And lost that game? Or Yasuo, picked that July?
Steelflame8 votesBecause the things that make Darius broken are heavily solo queue focused? He punishes a single person on your team making a mistake, god forbid its the top laner he is fighting.
Ultimately, solo queue and pro scene are 100% different environments, stuff good in solo queue can be trash in the pro scene, and stuff that is ungodly powerful in the pro scene can be absolute bollocks in solo queue. At it's core, the pros are practically playing an entirely different game from us because the level of coordination and skill in pro level games is insane.
Xonra2 votesBiggest way to demonstrate this would be to show how lane swaps were annoying to Riot in pro play, but no one (maybe literally?) lane swapped in solo queue (including pro players).
Granted now that change because of pro play has flat out broken Solo queue, so that's fun.
Sire Hippington17 votesHonestly, camille seems like an certainlyt champ, she's overall fun, great designed and offers some counterplay - and then something totally uneccesary is thrown on top of that well designed champ and breaks it. Camilles Q+W+E is fun to use and allows alot counterplay. And then you get her ult on top of it and bam, broken champ. 4sec with nothing you can do to leave that area besides of knocking her out of it means that any champ that has no knockback is free food for ganks or whenever she's ahead enough to straight 1v1 them.
Almighty14 votesIf Camille was designed by CertainlyT she would have WAY more in-combat mobility, and it will be free of cost .
(CertainlyT is the man behind and 
)
Also, fun fact: CartainlyT has confirmed that the T stands for True damage.
Almighty.
Decrit7 votesHe did also Darius.
all hail the true damage man
Xonra1 votesFairly certain he also did the Cait rework (the one I'm seeing so many people complain about recently)
Decrit1 votesHe did Graves rework. And that was awesome.
Xonra1 votesThat is fairly subjective. It turned him into a completely different type of champion to the point he is no longer a lane marksman (unless he was abusing ranged and his tanky/burst combo in top. He was way too strong in the jungle to the point he still barely takes damage and does tons.
It was successful and "awesome" in that it wasn't worse like some reworks we have seen, but I still think it was a bit awkward that it fully pulled him out of his role and near pushed him into the jungle.
Not sure how "awesome" that is.
Decrit1 votes"awesome" in the sense of "he managed to pick a bland burst carry and make a man out of it" sense, thought you can either feel it like a good or bad thing based on how you view it.
Also he opened up a path where carries, that are defined by their own autoattacks by design, can be very characteristic thanks to wildly different aa patterns, which is awesome. If the ammo system on graves is awesomely bad or awesomely good it's up to discussion too, if you want.
still, this is imho. get with what you want.
Numb3rs14 votesi made a post about how op camille is like a week ago with screenshots and statistics to back it up.
it got 8 downvotes in 30 minutes and i got called a fucking idiot and several people who said " theres nothing wrong with camille"
god gameplay is a joke
nm101012 votesIts almost like it wasn't a good idea to release a strong duelist that can choose to fight you no matter what you have up since this counters nearly half the top lane roster of league.
Xonra2 votesOr give her tools that can counter half the top laners, but in different ways depending on the champs. She is not far from being the catch all counter pick, but not quite there.
THE RlVER KlNG9 votesYeah its almost as if high tier players would abuse a mobile damage dealer with CC and 2 forms of %damage with a 4 second fuck you zone you're not allowed to leave.
you would have thought they'd have learned their lEKKOsson
hotarse4 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bos95LV2,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-01-03T20:21:04.669+0000)
Yeah its almost as if high tier players would abuse a mobile damage dealer with CC and 2 forms of %damage with a 4 second fuck you zone you're not allowed to leave.
you would have think they'd have learned their lEKKOsson
You tried really hard but it's just not going to happun.
Niyumi5 votesalso 72% BANRATE
There's your issue. Everyone bans her because they're afraid of her, so no one knows how to play against her, and she wipes the floor with them. Big surprise.
She has more counterplay than anyone who isn't an assassin, and can easily be stopped. But, thought really isn't welcome in modern gaming, so I'm not surprised no one figured that out.
MunchCrunchLunch19 votesThere's your issue. Everyone bans her because they're afraid of her, so no one knows how to play against her, and she wipes the floor with them. Big surprise.
She has more counterplay than anyone who isn't an assassin, and can easily be stopped. But, thought really isn't welcome in modern gaming, so I'm not surprised no one figured that out.
yep shes your most plyed champion what a surprise. whoop de doo
nm101012 votesIf you are upset you didn't get your slice of freelo I would suggest working on your farming so that you may be able to abuse her scaling with items.
Corrupt Bliss2 votesimo Camille is just another diver. The first patch win rate is most likely due to learning curve. Too many idiots don't give credence to her dash range and solo kill potential. Play safe instead of like an asshole and you should be fine.
Danjeng2 votesCouldn't you argue that the players using Camille are also inexperienced playing her?
