ADC and AP have Gravious wound

KONO RUBICK DA·Nov 1, 2015·64 votes·5,085 views

guess who doesn't have it

72 Comments

HayRossNov 1, 201539 votes

Gravious wounds are what Graves got when he lost his cigar

Vistha KaiNov 1, 20154 votes

So it was Morello whom was responsible for removing his cigar? It all makes sense now!

kaltenashesNov 2, 20151 votes

Graves cam have a grievous wound but ~~graves cant have a cigar~~ quinn cant have blind

RebonackNov 1, 201513 votes

Thorn and Mortal Reminder should both be able to apply Grievous Wounds as an active.

Making it a passive on either strikes me as a bad idea since you can't play around it.

commit an heroNov 1, 201515 votes

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Thorn and Mortal Reminder should both be able to apply Grievous Wounds as an active.

Making it a passive on either strikes me as a bad idea since you can't play around it.

Oh no an ADC hit me from 550+ range and now my healing is now garbage. Muh counterplay.

Hayaishi2Nov 1, 20152 votes

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Oh no an ADC hit me from 550+ range and now my healing is now garbage. Muh counterplay.

Oh no, tank built an item and suddenly i can't even touch him without dying, so much counterplay and interactive play.

KONO RUBICK DANov 2, 20151 votes

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Oh no, tank built an item and suddenly i can't even touch him without dying, so much counterplay and interactive play.

why should you hit a tank?

Hayaishi2Nov 2, 20151 votes

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why should you hit a tank?

Because that's what AD carries do.

ErockandrollNov 1, 201511 votes

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Thorn and Mortal Reminder should both be able to apply Grievous Wounds as an active.

Making it a passive on either strikes me as a bad idea since you can't play around it.

Well Executioners calling gives ADCs the ability to apply Grievous woulds just by Attacking. So it's probably just as hard to play around.

For Executioners calling, I think they should reduce the Duration. (at least by half.) At least that way. ADC's would actually have to keep attacking to make it work.

xFrostKnightxNov 1, 20152 votes

Reducing the duration (helpful) won't change the fact when they engage you, it will always be up. An active would be perfect or even put a condition like like Warmogs passive so there's a trade off, that way Mortal reminder isn't better than Lord Dominik's Regards in every single way.

item 3075 - This baby here is pointless to use already with just Blood thirster. Once all the Lifesteal hit's Live, this guy will be even more useless.

Cloud PotatoNov 2, 20151 votes

Thornmail never countered Lifesteal. It does its damage regardless of how much Lifesteal the attacker has.

Kuroi86Nov 2, 20151 votes

This baby here is pointless to use already with just Blood thirster. Once all the Lifesteal hit's Live, this guy will be even more useless.

sigh

Unique: Reflects 15% of the physical damage taken (+ 25% bonus armor) from basic attacks and on-hit effects back to its source as magic damage (Calculated before any resistances or reductions are taken into account).

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Life_steal

Life steal is calculated from the actual damage done to an enemy, after armor and all other forms of damage reduction.

The short of what is stated above. Thornmail calculates it's damage based upon your damage pre-mitigation. Life steal is calculated post-mitigation. It is possible to build more life steal than Thornmail can damage, but that would require picking up at least two if not three life steal items.

xFrostKnightxNov 2, 20152 votes

Lifesteal is on a lot more items now.
MR on AD items is very cost effective now
New passives which do bonus damage, so thornmail cannot reflect that.
New passives which reduce incoming damage by 12% and put 20% into bleed.

Kuroi86Nov 2, 20151 votes

Bork, BT, Hydra, Death's Dance, Gunblade, Rageblade... Not really, same number as before. Oh wait, you mean maw and merc. Hm, I'd have to see if the MR on Maw plus BT is enough to out heal the damage, we'll see.

Bonus damage thornmail doesn't reflect? From where?

Also, you're pointing out that by counter building Thornmail, you claim that proves Thornmail is bad. It's not. If you have to build to counter an item, that means it's actually having an impact which goes against your argument. Do I think Thornmail should be better, of course. But my point still stands.

This baby here is pointless to use already with just Blood thirster.

This is an incorrect statement. It takes more than just BT to over heal the damage on Thornmail.

TTUPhoenixNov 1, 201515 votes

I was kind of surprised that they didn't put the same limitation on Executioner's Calling that they did on item 3165 - the GW only kicks in on targets below a certain % of health.

KONO RUBICK DANov 1, 20153 votes

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I was kind of surprised that they didn't put the same limitation on Executioner's Calling that they did on - the GW only kicks in on targets below a certain % of health.

i think they should do it

Sona PingNov 2, 20151 votes

He's right; they are not equivalent scenarios.

For Executioner's Calling, Grievous Wounds are applied to the target the Champion is attacking. That usually would mean the one champion they are in combat with. While for Thornmail, a Grievous Wounds passive would be applied to all attackers. Built on a tank, that very well could be the entire enemy team.

Daedalus871Nov 1, 20153 votes

Thornmail was meant to counter ADCs from Lifestealing back up over everything, so it should have it as a passive.

chipndip1Nov 1, 20151 votes

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Thornmail was meant to counter ADCs from Lifestealing back up over everything, so it should have it as a passive.

But with the current passive, that'd just be broken all over again.

ShonjlNov 2, 20151 votes

Seeing as when this Marksman patch goes through, I am pretty sure it may have to be to counter them.

Seeing how good they are making adcs and how stupidly OP they are going to be (Easy to get 100% crit, you think lifesteal is bad now? It can reach 40-50% in that patch, so enjoy getting hit for 800s while they heal 400 every half second) If they don't put in counters, it will literally be 5 adc team comps

junglerboy16Nov 1, 20152 votes

At the very least, Mortal reminder should only apply grievous wounds at half strength since it applies no matter what, where Morellonomicon applies it full strength but only below half health.

Bladerunner7777Nov 1, 20155 votes

Grevious wounds, zhonya nerf

R.I.P. Fiddlesticks 2009-2015

TurquoiseYoshiNov 1, 20153 votes

You forgot the removal of Magus for Runeglaive.

kaltenashesNov 2, 20151 votes

fiddle's getting closer and closer to sej

TurquoiseYoshiNov 2, 20151 votes

At least Sej can clear the jungle early and tank some damage and give out some CC. Fiddles can't really clear well, has a lame fear, and his only strat is to jump in all YOLO style and Zhonya's before he gets too fucked.

kaltenashesNov 2, 20152 votes

At least Sej can clear the jungle early and tank some damage and give out some CC. Fiddles can't really clear well

OMFG WTF?? seriously fiddle barely loses his life in the jungle, his w sustain is too good... sej on the other hand NEEDS the ranger trailblazer

GetMariahCarriedNov 2, 20151 votes

I can make do without it on Sej.

kaltenashesNov 2, 20151 votes

i'll try learn that

Champion SkinNov 2, 20151 votes

He also lost mana potions (HP potions usually weren't all that needed on Fiddle with his sustain)

KoKobotoNov 1, 20153 votes

I think Grievous Wounds should be an active rather than a flat out passive 50% reduce healing for 5s, because I auto attack you?? That doesn't sound too balanced at all lmao

KONO RUBICK DANov 2, 20151 votes

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I think Grievous Wounds should be an active rather than a flat out passive 50% reduce healing for 5s, because I auto attack you?? That doesn't sound too balanced at all lmao

it's only 30% on pbe

PeachsPropertyNov 1, 20152 votes

something called "thornmail" should have grevious wounds after 3 consecutive attacks on them. (cause thorns hurt ya know?)

but yeah im glad this is back for AD's

tired of being in a heal heavy enemy and our AP refuse to get a morellos.

Biff ManlyNov 2, 20152 votes

Mmmmm. Gravy.

SecretlolzNov 2, 20152 votes

I feel Grievous wounds shouldnt be a game mechanic added to "Hit me and you get punished" items

My Waifu VanillaNov 2, 20151 votes

It would atleast make it a viable option to buy since right now there is absolutely no reason to buy it over Randuin's if you want to screw over the ADC since ALL of them are buying crit over AS. Current Thornmail literally only does significant damage to fast AS wet noodle champs such as Kallista and Master Yi whereas Randuins now hits every adc for 10% reduced damage and gives you cc and health.

SecretlolzNov 2, 20151 votes

I see your point but It would probably feel bad to accidentaly hit someone wearing Thornmail and have your healing gutted. It would be nice to see a new mechanic that punished you further for continue hitting the Thornmail wearer...

Thornmail - All basic attacks you recieve reflect X% of the damage done and cause Backlash. Backlash: All healing recieved is reduced by 15% for 3 seconds. Stacks up to 6 times.

Champion SkinNov 2, 20151 votes

Thornmail is also kind of good for champions like Rammus who has an armor steroid in his kit

Though yeah Randuins give a lot more durability given that if the enemy ADC crit about every hit then it reduce the damage per hit by 10% and the amount of hits by 15%

So if we make it easy with an ADC who has 100 AD 100% crit and 1.0 AS Without Randuins effects 100(AD) X 2 (crit) X 1 (AS) = 200 DPS (before armor) With Randuins effects 100(AD) X 1.8 (Crit) X 0.85 (AS) = 153 DPS (before armor)

200 --> 153 is a reduction in DPS by 23.5% that's the best case scenario with 100% crit in the worst case scenario with 0% crit Randuins will reduce AA DPS by 15% with the AS slow

Samflash3Nov 2, 20151 votes

But if you buy Morellonomicon, it works on all magic damage. So Thornmail, Sunfire cape, and even Arcane blade (if the mastery still exists) will work.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Morellonomicon

Slamurai JackNov 2, 20152 votes

Grievous wounds is only 30% healing reduction now guys. Chillax.

KrinuNov 2, 20153 votes

It's still going to break pretty much every champion that relies on sustain.

PaletongueNov 2, 20151 votes

I think I read somewhere that it only applies to self heals as well, so its used against things like DrMundo Swain , while champs like Soraka Nami still have their heals unaffected.

KrinuNov 2, 20151 votes

As far as I can tell, the only change listed so far is a reduction from 50% to 40%.

PaletongueNov 7, 20151 votes

"GW is being changed to be self only healing. Soraka's heals on others are NOT affected." https://twitter.com/ReinaSweet/status/662055048369717248

KrinuNov 7, 20151 votes

You'll note that I was the one that asked the question on twitter a couple days ago... and that this post is five days old...

BottleCapsterNov 2, 20151 votes

They've lowered the effectiveness of GW by 10% because of how having easy access to more effective GW application methods can seriously fuck over sustain champions. If they made it only apply to self-heals, then GW as a whole would be unintuitive and would barely serve to scratch the barrel of how healing is given out.

PaletongueNov 7, 20151 votes

"GW is being changed to be self only healing. Soraka's heals on others are NOT affected." https://twitter.com/ReinaSweet/status/662055048369717248

Zair UmbrasNov 1, 20151 votes

Grievous Wounds. Like grieving. That thing Kalista players are doing right now when they realize their AS item, Runaan's, is losing a lot of AS and ADC items are becoming more crit-based while her AA's do 10% less damage.

Champion SkinNov 2, 20151 votes

Yeah Kalista works best with AS as her auto attacks have high base damage (if you count her base AD + base damage on rend) Also she doesn't scale that badly with AD as each of her auto attacks kind of deal 150% AD (If she procs all of the rend stacks)

Zair UmbrasNov 2, 20151 votes

That's with AD. Runaan's got an AS nerf, BT got a slight AD nerf, BotRK is more expensive and lost 2% current, there's no zephyr.... I mean, she's got almost nothing left really, lol.

BottleCapsterNov 2, 20151 votes

Kalista is also getting an early nerf to her passive this upcoming patch due to changes in how her passive scales. She no longer dashes based on boot tier, but by her AS, so double-bummer i suppose.