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@People Who LIke Ashe Rework - Why do you not like Ashe now?

AmazingGoat·4/29/2015, 8:04:21 PM·3 votes·1,327 views

Ashe currently has the third highest win rate of any ADC. If you think Ashe isn't viable right now in anything below Diamond 1, then you probably just don't understand the game that well. Given that, why do you suddenly think that you will be able to play well with the reworked version? Why do you just look at one or two abilities in isolation and say "that new q looks fun - it's going to be so great to use that", without realizing that you have to look at the kit as a whole in the context of how you can use it to win a game?

Do you think her win rate is going to go up post-rework? If it did, her rework would almost certainly be dubbed OP and adjusted downward. I just don't see any way that she maintains the third highest ADC win rate post rework. Does anyone actually think she will? Or that that is a more likely outcome than a Trist level drop into solo queue obscurity?

13 Comments

The5lacker4/29/2015, 8:06:16 PM7 votes

She's boring to play, lacks interaction, and her central play-pattern is all about sitting back, waiting for Focus stacks, then poking the enemy...once.

Ashe Rework promotes actually, you know, plaing the game. With people. It's not a viability thing. Win rates are not, have never been, and will never be the reason behind reworks: Play patterns are.

SmokingPuffin4/29/2015, 8:27:00 PM3 votes

I expect to enjoy playing New Ashe a lot more than Old Ashe because her early game won't be so insufferably dull now. Q is a whole new button for trades and W's cooldown decrease will be quite valuable.

I think Ashe's win rate will decline as a result of the rework. The current state with Ashe is that you mostly see Ashe mains playing her. With the addition of mechanics that make her more fun, I'd expect her to be picked up by more people and thus to see more positioning mistakes, bad arrows, etc in the average Ashe game.

ZeeDrakon4/29/2015, 8:18:46 PM1 votes

i actually think she will get worse, but shes more fun to play now

Reikken4/29/2015, 8:26:17 PM1 votes

I love Ashe now. Her passive is just awkward. And honestly, while I do like the rework, I don't really like her new Q all that much. It's flashy and all, but it doesn't add much utility. I like Ashe because of her utility. An attack speed buff is just more damage. I'll probably max it last, depending on what the cooldown numbers on hawkshot look like.

Elisai4/29/2015, 8:10:35 PM1 votes

She's boring. She's op as flip late game don't get me wrong. But she's just like "right click" announcer says "PENTAKILL" and im just like... "That was not rewarding at all....... She at least is more open in build paths now too.

Abyssphere4/29/2015, 8:55:55 PM1 votes

People might have wanted her reworked for more than making her more powerful. Personally I find her current kit dull because in battle she has virtually nothing to do. Her new Q gives her so much more depth, and her permaslow being on her passive is really nice/solidifies her character.

SIayton4/29/2015, 10:25:09 PM1 votes

She doesn't really have any high points right now, and going oom using Q to kite sucks. I think naturally slowing people and having the active on Q looks really fun. She definitely has well defined high points now with her rework.

Martyrofsand4/29/2015, 11:29:17 PM1 votes

For me a lot of her changes are just quality of life fixes. No more toggling frost shot, no more having a single crit and then no passive, actually getting an AA steroid and her kit now played into her consistent damage utility style cohesively as oppose to feeling at odds with itself.

I like Ashe now but the changes they are making to her are exactly how I wish they would of reworked champs like Sona, it doesn't just keep her identity it enhances it while removing the things that make her feel clunky.

50000000000000004/30/2015, 6:01:18 PM1 votes

I play her as a support, but I probably can't do that anymore. I need to be constantly attacking in order to do damage, instead of waiting for focus stacks. So I'll have weaker poke damage. Also, the slow is do much weaker now. Mana cost was pretty negligible because I don't attack that much early, and pretty much nobody really has mana problem late game.

She'll be a better ADC, but not a decent support.