LCS Casters: You need to combo two point and click abilities to handle Leblanc.

AmazingGoat·6/8/2015, 4:45:59 PM·101 votes·5,230 views

During the NA LCS showmatch this week between CLG and TSM, you can catch the following comment:

"Aprhromoo [as Nautilus] and ZionSpartan [as Maokai] and are going to have to combo to keep Bjergsen [on Leblanc] down. Those two guys with the point and clicks. That's what you need against Leblanc."

Just to be clear, LCS casters are acknowledging that you need not one, but TWO point and click CC abilities comboed together to keep Leblanc down. This seems like an appropriate time to note that these abilities are becoming increasingly rare as it seems to be in vogue to change them into skill shots.

What if your team doesn't even have one point and click hard CC ability? The reality is that Leblanc can only be countered at champ select. This seems to run counter to one of Riot's long stated principles that games not be decided at champ select.

I don't actually expect any Red comments, and I understand that Leblanc's W speed and E width may be getting a nerf, but I'm concerned that the practical counterplay for champions without point and click CC may remain low. For example, last night I played a game as Sion jungle where our team had no point and click CC, and Leblanc literally danced in and out with impunity dominating the entire game. If I had been playing Warwick jungle, we would have had no issue killing her. This is such a huge disparity that has nothing to do with choices I make in the game.

72 Comments

Drunk Rummate6/8/2015, 6:37:56 PM43 votes

I also remember a comment somewhere along the lines of:

"Generally if the only counterplay to a champion is to CC them and kill them before they're able to move, that's a problem"

HMMMMMM.

Knight SoIaire 6/8/2015, 4:56:20 PM15 votes

What if your team doesn't even have one point and click hard CC ability? The reality is that Leblanc can only be countered at champ select. This seems to run counter to one of Riot's long stated principles that games not be decided at champ select

what about katarina ?

if cc isnt instant after she goes in, you might not get the follow up to kill her once cc hits

depending on how she is fed ofc, if she has more than lets say 3 kills then you should be afraid

R2D206/8/2015, 8:46:20 PM14 votes

Or how we see Leblanc split pushing in LCS when rito has stated that she doesn't excel in split pushing because she can't push down turrets.

Wînter Fox6/8/2015, 6:31:18 PM7 votes

Taric My family jewels are ready

YossarianSensei6/9/2015, 1:18:36 AM4 votes

Watching Faker play LB vs XiaoWeiXiao's LB just convinces me that there's nothing OP about LB; Her kit gives you the tools to outplay and to get outplayed.

Uiru6/8/2015, 10:29:51 PM4 votes

The number of things that fly directly against stated design goals is really quite embarrassingly large, and nobody seems interested in doing anything about it.

Of course, this is the same company that thinks the solution to mobility creep is MORE MOBILITY. ~Uiru

HidingOverHere6/8/2015, 8:47:32 PM4 votes

change her blink back to a dash back so it is slightly slower and can be stopped by veigar stun (pls buff veigar even a tiny bit)

Sammystorm6/8/2015, 10:07:04 PM3 votes

Taking a comment out of context is a good way to force bias. Show a clip so we can see all the factors involved like how fed leblanc is and stuff.

MarkedOfKane6/9/2015, 4:59:10 PM2 votes

I like how when this happened, the Casters sound like they didn't even know what to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozqwar3JRXo

3TWarrior6/8/2015, 8:09:46 PM2 votes

pantheon says hi XD he has 3 point and clicks provided the enemy is within his ult, then W for stun, Q, E,

he's also pretty fun to play as and has been safely nerfed enough times

Quort6/8/2015, 8:20:01 PM2 votes

LeBlanc has lots of damage and lots of mobility but that's all she does. Buy some MR so she can't kill you as easily and you'll be fine. Late game she's far less effective.

gubigubi6/8/2015, 8:47:28 PM2 votes

A List of champions that can stand up to LeBlanc 1v1 a good Ahri Akali Annie A low ping Azir A good Brand Chogath Fiora Fizz Galio Gragas Katarina Lissandra Malzahar Mordekaiser Morgana Swain Veigar Viktor

Blastermine6/9/2015, 12:39:47 AM2 votes

I've heard that skillshots are really easy to hit when someone is moving in a straight line right toward you. Fortunately, so has Riot, because Leblanc's W is getting it's speed reduced in the next patch.

YOU BEEN WARNED6/9/2015, 11:34:05 AM2 votes

You know why I hate itemization in league ? Items like item 3157 and item 3140 exist to glorify carries but not a single nuke active item/CC exists.

I want a hex, a silence, a root because a strong slow doesn't cut it for league of mobility. I'm referring to DotA's itemization here.

TotalJerk6/8/2015, 6:28:28 PM1 votes

So what you're saying is that an assassin doesn't do well against two people.

Kieferr6/8/2015, 10:41:58 PM1 votes

Cry me a river. Lb is fine, you just think she's op because you're a sheep who follows opinions of everyone else who's whining about her on the boards.