I really miss Deathfire Touch

BLIGHTBRINGER·Dec 14, 2018·47 votes·15,647 views

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While it was replaced with Scorch or Aery, it just doesn't feel the same.

43 Comments

WoodakoodashoodaDec 14, 201838 votes

I miss being able to win without relying so heavily on masteries.

0 HogapuDec 14, 201820 votes

I miss when overall balance wasn't focused on champion/primary masteries interactions.

DarkTree1Dec 15, 20187 votes

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I miss being able to win without relying so heavily on masteries.

what do you mean the early preseason "gg they have more dark harvests go next" interactions weren't fun? how could you possibly not enjoy 30% of someone's damage coming from one rune?

RαyDec 14, 201825 votes

I miss Fervor of Battle, Thunderlord's Decree and all the other Keystones that weren't utterly broken and mini nukes.

NyarlathοtepDec 15, 20182 votes

I think thunderlords dealt more dmg than electrocute.

Zero Skill TankDec 15, 20185 votes

It did less damage. Was easier to proc on some champs though. I used to love going TLD Teeto with item 3145 + item 2015 just to screw with people minds xd

WrÆthDec 15, 20182 votes

It would be nice if they removed stuff like conq for fervor and swapped out some other stuff then kept the rest of the tree

MoonscourgeDec 16, 20181 votes

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I miss Fervor of Battle, Thunderlord's Decree and all the other Keystones that weren't utterly broken and mini nukes.

lol

Thunderlords not a mini nuke

RαyDec 16, 20181 votes

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lol

ok

Compared to Electrocute or any other damage keystone right now, Thunderlord's wasn't a nuke at all after it got tuned down.

Small Boobs AhriDec 14, 201810 votes

i really miss the old thunderlord :(

ModKnightsKemplarDec 15, 20187 votes

Tbh, Deathfire touch would fit right in with the new sorcery keystones. If we're going to have electrocute, Dark Harvest, Aery, and Comet, I see nothing wrong with Deathfire Touch. It's another flavor of doing damage that should appeal to a slightly different cast of characters. I say bring it on. Fourth sorc keystone.

ParoeDec 15, 20182 votes

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Tbh, Deathfire touch would fit right in with the new sorcery keystones. If we're going to have electrocute, Dark Harvest, Aery, and Comet, I see nothing wrong with Deathfire Touch. It's another flavor of doing damage that should appeal to a slightly different cast of characters. I say bring it on. Fourth sorc keystone.

I can agree with that. Even better if we keep it wholesale from its last version, but allow it to apply to anything instead of just champions. It would really give liandries syndrome champions a stable power.

Rathar DashingDec 16, 20181 votes

idk if that's healthy, keystones are really meant to be champion-combat-specific. All the precision keystones only proc off champions (except FF which has a greatly reduced effect on minions), all the domination ones are the same, all the resolve ones only work when fighting champions, the inspiration ones (aside from spellbook weirdness) only affect champions, and all the current sorcery keystones only proc off champions, too.

ParoeDec 17, 20181 votes

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idk if that's healthy, keystones are really meant to be champion-combat-specific. All the precision keystones only proc off champions (except FF which has a greatly reduced effect on minions), all the domination ones are the same, all the resolve ones only work when fighting champions, the inspiration ones (aside from spellbook weirdness) only affect champions, and all the current sorcery keystones only proc off champions, too.

Champions with liandries syndrome are often very weak though, and with no cooldown due to lower damage its very feasible to let them apply their crutch to everything. DFT, realistically, is a Singed and malzahar crutch.

SalamencęDec 14, 20186 votes

I miss Fervor and CoC (warlords too but it was pretty unfair)

crazÿDec 14, 20185 votes

i hate new rune it's bad old runes was stronger and masteries armor penetration at the beginning it was really good this new runes make game worse

WorksAtAGayBarDec 14, 20185 votes

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i hate new rune it's bad old runes was stronger and masteries armor penetration at the beginning it was really good this new runes make game worse

Not true, comet does more damage and the CD can be reduced by frequent spellcast. Aery must return to you before you can send her out again, does less damage and also the biggest difference is that aery provides a shield

crazÿDec 14, 20181 votes

no no no and old runes can give you cd and about damage its better you can`t say not true about damage

ParoeDec 15, 20182 votes

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Not true, comet does more damage and the CD can be reduced by frequent spellcast. Aery must return to you before you can send her out again, does less damage and also the biggest difference is that aery provides a shield

DFT would replace scorch, as DFT compared to other keystones is actually very weak.

Happy Love PileDec 15, 20181 votes

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DFT would replace scorch, as DFT compared to other keystones is actually very weak.

That's not true at all? It's literally a better aery and comet

ParoeDec 15, 20182 votes

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That's not true at all? It's literally a better aery and comet

Do you even know what DFT did?

Dealing ability damage to enemy champions applies a bleed, dealing 1 (+ 3.125% AP) (+ 5.625% bonus AD) magic damage every half-second for a duration based on their type. Single Target: 4 seconds for a total of 8 (+ 25% AP) (+ 45% bonus AD) magic damage. Area of effect: 2 seconds for a total of 4 (+ 12.5% AP) (+ 22.5% bonus AD) magic damage. Damage over time: 1 second for a total of 2 (+ 6.25% AP) (+ 11.25% bonus AD) magic damage.

Aery; Damaging an enemy champion signals Aery to dash to them, dealing 10 − 40 (based on level) (+ 15% bonus AD) (+ 10% AP) Adaptive damage.

Comet; Damaging an enemy champion with an ability hurls an Arcane Comet at their current location, dealing 30 − 100 (based on level) (+ 35% bonus AD) (+ 20% AP) Adaptive damage after a brief delay.

DFT is not comparable to aery OR comet unless youre comparing its single target, in which case only its scaling is barely comparable. DFT's power level is exactly that of a damage-oriented RUNE rather than a keystone... If we wanted it to be a keystone, say to replace nimbus cloak, it would need Aery's base damage and its single target scaling.

crazÿDec 14, 20182 votes

I REALLY MISS QUINN WITH OLD RUNES FUCK i get penta 4 times with quinn she was op just 1 or 2 hit [sg-soraka]

Bløød ZerøDec 15, 20185 votes

Yeah I miss deathfire but it would be cool to get a new rune keystones similar seeing how resolve, inspiration, sorcery all don't a 4th rune keystone. Like make a a magic burn one for sorc seeing how most dps abilities users were mages anyways.

I'd love to see a fervor similar rune as well but maybe like instead of autos gain more damage stacking how about after using 3 abilities gain adaptive damage stacking up to 3 times for inspiration.

Tbh I miss that old rune where you would farm large minions and monsters to get maximum health up to 300, I would run it on cruisers all the time and be able to afford one more damage item over a tank or bruiser item. So maybe for resolve?

Idk just some base ideas obvs I thought of 0 numbers and which champs would make it complete busted but y'know I just miss them on my fave champs from each role.

[sg-soraka]

grarrrgDec 15, 20181 votes

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Tbh I miss that old rune where you would farm large minions and monsters to get maximum health up to 300, I would run it on cruisers all the time and be able to afford one more damage item over a tank or bruiser item. So maybe for resolve?

Too close in effect to the current Overgrowth rune. They very likely wouldn't have both as options. (Overgrowth is slower, but it's a 'lesser' rune whereas Strength of the Ages was a Keystone)

Bløød ZerøDec 17, 20181 votes

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Too close in effect to the current Overgrowth rune. They very likely wouldn't have both as options. (Overgrowth is slower, but it's a 'lesser' rune whereas Strength of the Ages was a Keystone)

True. Although I would like something so I can still have a similar effect so I can build that one extra damage item on lets say Jax before going the rest tanky just Idk what that keyatone could be. Hmm well we really don't get much say in what happens in league's future down here anyways lol.

Jannah MøntanaDec 15, 20185 votes

Deathfire touch was actually a pretty balanced keystone, it made sure that champs of a certain damage type were kept in check if they took the keystone, AoE, DoT, and Single Targeted. Honestly feel with all my heart that they bring back this keystone i miss it so much, it was fun to use and not horrible to go against as it had the balance mechanic based on damage type and it was delayed, what more counterplay could you ask for, while still being a good preforming and scaling keystone - Riot take notes!

Dope SoloDec 14, 20182 votes

Scorch should be in the Aery or comet spot, because those are almost the same thing anyway.

FéliXXXDec 15, 20182 votes

i rly miss lethality/armor pen runes i miss zeds w cd to be 18 secondes i miss when zed used to be able to insta swap to his r shadow i miss when zeds e does dmg i miss the w %ad and i miss when he was an actual champ instead of this joke

Summonah12369Dec 15, 20182 votes

summoner 14

BLIGHTBRINGERDec 15, 20184 votes

Except DFT didn't deal True Damage.

Summonah12369Dec 15, 20181 votes

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Except DFT didn't deal True Damage.

I was doing a visual comparison.

BLIGHTBRINGERDec 15, 20182 votes

Oh, well in that case yeah I suppose.

Arcane Blue BoiDec 15, 20182 votes

Sorcery tree more like Moviment speel tree

GilgayuDec 15, 20182 votes

I miss the days when nasus doesn't even need to w you to catch up and q you to death...

I stopped playing anivia after deathfire got removed... It was just never the same.

Rathar DashingDec 16, 20181 votes

I never got to try it out before I picked up Anivia :( Comet's all I've ever known (it feels good at least).

GilgayuDec 16, 20181 votes

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I never got to try it out before I picked up Anivia :( Comet's all I've ever known (it feels good at least).

Anivia was a beast since deathfire applies to all enemies in her ult. Now she is just a weak control mage who can't snowball and powerspikes when she finished stacking her archeangle's ;-;

I7A6X2v2Dec 15, 20182 votes

They could make it the 4th runes for sorcery

Modl Ryden lDec 15, 20181 votes

I really think Comet looked and felt underwhelming. It was like the just took Xerath's ulti and made it applicable to everyone. Like I see it as reliable poke for people who already have reliable poke.

Then again I supposed DFT did the same more or less. It would be nice to see it back as a keystone somewhere or have Scorch have very a minimal ap/ad scale.

jocomotionDec 15, 20181 votes

I’d like it to be made into a keystone of its own. Maybe the forth for Sorcery.

StarGuardianWeebDec 15, 20181 votes

they werent even replacements really riot said they were "working on" a replacement in the domme tree for this and those were to just hold them off until then, and yet here we are. Its so dumb too dark Harvets gets to exist because an infinite scaling rune thats useable by 90% of champs is "diversifying" but straight putting DFT in game would "cause problems for the champs that use it best"

riots so bad they cant even logic. im done trying to be the dude giving them benefit of the doubt, this games going to shit and all they want is as much money as they can squeeze from the literal addicts that play.

they're a glorified candy crush with pretty outfits.

Rathar DashingDec 16, 20181 votes

I'd honestly prefer to go back to using Deathfire Touch on Jhin, instead of Dark Harvest, Hail of Blades, Comet or Fleet Footwork. All of those runes are instant (or near instant) gratification, which makes them feel more oppressive. When I took it on Jhin before, I could actually see the damage it was dealing every time I landed my Q or W, and loved that satisfying feeling of someone barely escaping my ult with 50 HP, only to die to the burn damage 2 seconds later.

AirKingNeoDec 16, 20181 votes

yep, making dots unable to be balanced since 2015