Honestly can just get a completely fresh/new client at this point?

BLIGHTBRINGER·Nov 12, 2019·99 votes·19,570 views

####Title Fix: Honestly can we just get a completely fresh/new client at this point?

One that doesn't use your entire RAM?
One that doesn't lag for no reasons even if you have a decent PC RIG?
One that has an option to disable certain animations and features to make it run even more smoothly?
Or you know, one that actually functions properly?

The amount of bugs/issues/lag that the current Client has is unbelievable. And there are even more issues outside Client. So it would be nice to just get a completely revamped Client that has better UX (User Experience) because the UX in it's current form is literally a joke in comparison to a lot of game launchers out there.

If they could resolve the Client Issues then they could move on to resolve the In-Game issues (like the recent Mouse related issues, alt tabbing out of game, massive fps drops, really high ping and so on...).

Instead of making League from ground up in a mobile platform they should of done it to PC first since that is their main Platform where most players play the game.

100 Comments

Tin ObliteratesNov 12, 201943 votes

Let's not forget the super cool feature of going to loot, then going to store, then back to loot so it actually works instead of just being a black screen.

cheeseboy04Nov 12, 20197 votes

Can relate

Konvict0924Nov 12, 20192 votes

Happens to me all the time. I hate it so much.

Fella AirNov 13, 20194 votes

Oh god I thought I was the only one! Drives me nuts.

ﬂooNov 13, 20195 votes

That's become so normal for me that I don't even realise it anymore.. what a shitshow lmao

PomacherryNov 13, 20192 votes

This is a "feature" that riot has in their client to make you open the Store more often lmao.

DeadUnbornNov 13, 20191 votes

HAHAHAHAHA a classic by now

Its All SkillzzNov 12, 201925 votes

Client crashed 3 times one day and i didnt notice that the loading was stuck, i tried to close it an it wouldnt close and took over my entire pc i couldnt click or control anything outside of the league game loading screen, ended up getting a leaver mark lost 20 lp and had to sign out of my user profile and back in to open the game, only for it to happen like 2-3 games later.

LuvNefertariNov 12, 20195 votes

Thought it was just me freezing, someone tried to say it was my 'crappy' pc, but it doesn't freeze when doing anything else only in some matches as I'm playing

GorantharonNov 13, 20191 votes

Yup, they borked the game loading somehow and now there's a chance for the whole thing to hard freeze.

VroengardNov 13, 20191 votes

Nope happened to me too, a rly boring way of loosing Lp.

Crimson ZeppelinNov 13, 20191 votes

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Nope happened to me too, a rly boring way of loosing Lp.

I had a damn 3v3 twisted treeline game in summoners rift.

LęmonNov 12, 201920 votes

riot stop being cowards and listen to your consumers we've been discussing your client for months but you guys, again, only care how much money your skins make.

ToolooTNov 13, 20197 votes

I thought I was the only one with the random ass alt tabbing when I used my active item binded to my mouse. I lost my last gold 2 promo game because of shit like this in a crucial baron fight. I also lost promos cause of the client crashing in champ select and not letting me reconnect when the game started.

This game is a mess right now and for how simple it is and how much of a massive company Rito has become it's unacceptable. Maybe putting more energy into solving issues instead of making the next lux louis vuitton cringy skin would be a good idea.

in b4 2 new yasuo gucci/prada ultimate skins.

xelakerNov 12, 20194 votes

And have riot admit that they are incompetent? Good luck mate.

yani1126Nov 12, 20194 votes

This some dog shit lazy piece of shit money hungry company that really just dosent give a shit about genuinely providing a good expirience for their playerbase. 10 years and riot cant keep their one and only game working properly.

NTrumpWeTrustNov 12, 20194 votes

People need to understand that they purposely added a very poorly coded spyware to their client and it's fucking up the performance pretty drastically. It's not a matter of an entire new client, it's a matter of coding your spyware properly.

ThunderCraftNov 12, 20193 votes

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spyware

i been thinking it could be a bitcoin miner

StpTlkinAnBndOvrNov 12, 20191 votes

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People need to understand that they purposely added a very poorly coded spyware to their client and it's fucking up the performance pretty drastically. It's not a matter of an entire new client, it's a matter of coding your spyware properly.

fake news

NTrumpWeTrustNov 13, 20193 votes

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fake news

It clearly states in their ToS that they are allowed to use spyware lmao you bet your sweet ass they're using one. And the behavior of hte game since the client update is pretty clearly shitty spyware. Good spyware will barely impact performance, but boy do you notice when it's bad.

Crimson ZeppelinNov 13, 20194 votes

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It clearly states in their ToS that they are allowed to use spyware lmao you bet your sweet ass they're using one. And the behavior of hte game since the client update is pretty clearly shitty spyware. Good spyware will barely impact performance, but boy do you notice when it's bad.

Tencent putting stuff in our PC's? It's not a far stretch.

G0blinSlay3rNov 13, 20192 votes

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fake news

Many of Tencent's software and services are remarkably similar to those of competitors. The founder and chairman, Huateng "Pony" Ma, famously said, "[To] copy is not evil." A former CEO and president of SINA.com, Wang Zhidong, said, "Pony Ma is a notorious king of copying." Jack Ma of Alibaba Group stated, "The problem with Tencent is the lack of innovation; all of their products are copies."[205] As of 2009, the company held 400 patents.[206]

In 2015, security testing firms AV-Comparatives,

AV-TEST and Virus Bulletin jointly decided to remove Tencent from their software whitelists. The Tencent products supplied for testing were found to contain optimisations that made the software appear less exploitable when benchmarked but actually provided greater scope for delivering exploits.[207] Additionally, software settings were detrimental to end-users protection if used. Qihoo was later also accused of cheating, while Tencent was accused of actively gaming the anti-malware tests.

Tencent's WeChat platform has been accused of blocking Douyin's videos. In April 2018, Douyin sued Tencent and accused it of spreading false and damaging information on its WeChat platform, demanding RMB 1 million in compensation and an apology. In June 2018, Tencent filed a lawsuit against Toutiao and Douyin in a Beijing court, alleging they had repeatedly defamed Tencent with negative news and damaged its reputation, seeking a nominal sum of RMB 1 in compensation and a public apology. In response, Toutiao filed a complaint the following day against Tencent for allegedly unfair competition and asking for RMB 90 million in economic losses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent

KFCeytronNov 12, 20193 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOh0qInLAEg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI3vdNUrqo0

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Fv6jSUkCGJ0/maxresdefault.jpg

Magnesium14Nov 13, 20192 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOh0qInLAEg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI3vdNUrqo0

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Fv6jSUkCGJ0/maxresdefault.jpg

That seems less buggy than the current client

mack9112Nov 12, 20192 votes

Soooo what are your computer specs . So far everyone I have talked to on here has not even met the minimum requirements.

BLIGHTBRINGERNov 12, 20193 votes

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Soooo what are your computer specs . So far everyone I have talked to on here has not even met the minimum requirements.

Mine...

AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Corsair Vengeance 16GB RAM (3000MHz) Powercolor AMD RX580 8GB

mack9112Nov 12, 20191 votes

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Mine...

AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Corsair Vengeance 16GB RAM (3000MHz) Powercolor AMD RX580 8GB

Are your problems in game or just the client ?

BLIGHTBRINGERNov 13, 20191 votes

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Are your problems in game or just the client ?

Most problems are with the client. As for the game I run it with no problems, but occasionally something goes wrong and i'm perma stuck on like 20 fps the whole game.

Sometimes I use the AMD Radeon Anti-Lag feature to help which does help a little bit but sometimes it doesn't and that's when I realise that there's issues with the game not my PC.

I tried to see if this issue occurs on other games but I have no problem running them.

mack9112Nov 13, 20191 votes

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Most problems are with the client. As for the game I run it with no problems, but occasionally something goes wrong and i'm perma stuck on like 20 fps the whole game.

Sometimes I use the AMD Radeon Anti-Lag feature to help which does help a little bit but sometimes it doesn't and that's when I realise that there's issues with the game not my PC.

I tried to see if this issue occurs on other games but I have no problem running them.

What exactly do you mean it gets stuck can you give me detail ?

What is your cpu usage at time of frame rate loss ?

What is your ping ?

What situation does it occur ?

How is it reproduced?

The client is a difficult beast as described prior especially loading in issues when another player is running an ancient rig.

BLIGHTBRINGERNov 13, 20191 votes

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What exactly do you mean it gets stuck can you give me detail ?

What is your cpu usage at time of frame rate loss ?

What is your ping ?

What situation does it occur ?

How is it reproduced?

The client is a difficult beast as described prior especially loading in issues when another player is running an ancient rig.

I'm not sure what causes it, the moment the game starts it sometimes starts with Low FPS, around 40-50 when i'm in base and then it drops to like 20 FPS when I get to lane.

CPU Usage is something I can't remember or checked at the time (I would check now but i'm on holiday and I don't have access to my PC).

I never really have issues with my ping like most people do, mine is usually a solid 15-20 at all times. Unless i'm downloading something then it goes up to 40-60 but I usually never download anything whilst playing League.

As to the Situation and how to Produce it, hard to say as it happens randomly.

mack9112Nov 14, 20191 votes

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I'm not sure what causes it, the moment the game starts it sometimes starts with Low FPS, around 40-50 when i'm in base and then it drops to like 20 FPS when I get to lane.

CPU Usage is something I can't remember or checked at the time (I would check now but i'm on holiday and I don't have access to my PC).

I never really have issues with my ping like most people do, mine is usually a solid 15-20 at all times. Unless i'm downloading something then it goes up to 40-60 but I usually never download anything whilst playing League.

As to the Situation and how to Produce it, hard to say as it happens randomly.

http://www.alcpu.com

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/

I would suggest using one of these or something similar to these to monitor the performance of your rig to help determine what the issue is exactly.

BLIGHTBRINGERNov 14, 20191 votes

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http://www.alcpu.com

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/

I would suggest using one of these or something similar to these to monitor the performance of your rig to help determine what the issue is exactly.

Ty dude.

Magnesium14Nov 13, 20191 votes

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Soooo what are your computer specs . So far everyone I have talked to on here has not even met the minimum requirements.

Well, I guess we all have to buy supercomputers to use LoL. Almost everyone is having these problems, go into a game and ask in all chat how many people have problems. Do that every single game. If for the majority of the games the majority of people say they don't have problems, I will become a Yasuo OTP.

mack9112Nov 13, 20191 votes

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Well, I guess we all have to buy supercomputers to use LoL. Almost everyone is having these problems, go into a game and ask in all chat how many people have problems. Do that every single game. If for the majority of the games the majority of people say they don't have problems, I will become a OTP.

Due to recent cpu usage increase anyone under a 3 ghz processor should upgrade.

That is not expensive.

Magnesium14Nov 13, 20191 votes

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Due to recent cpu usage increase anyone under a 3 ghz processor should upgrade.

That is not expensive.

Decently expensive for everyone who are middle class and below And most people do have higher than a 3 ghz processor and those that don't have ones that are 3 ghz, can be boosted to 3 or are like 2.8 to 2.7 not ideal but should work fine this is not even considering that the minimum and recommended requirements are generally always a bit inflated for games people are not going to waste a considerable amount of money just to play a game, especially people who are poorer and/or cannot afford to spend money on such stuff the recent cpu usage has not benefited the game, what is riot's justification they said they wanted to help lower spec machines instead they are killing them I have a 4 ghz cpu that is being clock boosted a bit, im facing these problems, altho i will admit my gpu isn't very good, and is probably bottle necking the cpu a bit, it should still be able to easily comfortably run the game even at higher graphic levels i face these problems playing on low spec mode i do not want to tell my specs for reasons. but believe me when i say they are all considerably above the minimum requirements

mack9112Nov 13, 20191 votes

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Decently expensive for everyone who are middle class and below And most people do have higher than a 3 ghz processor and those that don't have ones that are 3 ghz, can be boosted to 3 or are like 2.8 to 2.7 not ideal but should work fine this is not even considering that the minimum and recommended requirements are generally always a bit inflated for games people are not going to waste a considerable amount of money just to play a game, especially people who are poorer and/or cannot afford to spend money on such stuff the recent cpu usage has not benefited the game, what is riot's justification they said they wanted to help lower spec machines instead they are killing them I have a 4 ghz cpu that is being clock boosted a bit, im facing these problems, altho i will admit my gpu isn't very good, and is probably bottle necking the cpu a bit, it should still be able to easily comfortably run the game even at higher graphic levels i face these problems playing on low spec mode i do not want to tell my specs for reasons. but believe me when i say they are all considerably above the minimum requirements

The game is ever expanding and growing it is an inevitable situation I do not know what to tell you.

Riot can’t just make there game less demanding it is already optimized to run as efficiently as possible.

The minimum requirements take into account the factor that the game will expand so if you did your homework correctly and built the rig right you can accommodate the increased usage.

Personally I just built a new rig for this very reason and honestly not very expensive.

You should look into upgrading your rig if you are having bottlenecking issues which is a very real thing. Clock boostIng is not healthy long term.

KFCeytronNov 13, 20191 votes

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The game is ever expanding and growing it is an inevitable situation I do not know what to tell you.

Riot can’t just make there game less demanding it is already optimized to run as efficiently as possible.

The minimum requirements take into account the factor that the game will expand so if you did your homework correctly and built the rig right you can accommodate the increased usage.

Personally I just built a new rig for this very reason and honestly not very expensive.

You should look into upgrading your rig if you are having bottlenecking issues which is a very real thing. Clock boostIng is it healthy long term.

Riot can’t just make there game less demanding it is already optimized to run as efficiently as possible.

Where are you getting that information? I'm pretty sure the game is a ten-year-old hack job based on a port of a mod of another game, with hundreds of replacements and retrofits and additions throughout that time, riddled with technical debt.

mack9112Nov 13, 20191 votes

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uh

Where are you getting that information? I'm pretty sure the game is a ten-year-old hack job based on a port of a mod of another game, with hundreds of replacements and retrofits and additions throughout that time, riddled with technical debt.

The people complaining about ingame issue are not even playing the game on rigs that meet the minimum requirements of the game and you feel it’s appropriate to point the finger at the company ?

Give me a break.

KFCeytronNov 13, 20191 votes

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The people complaining about ingame issue are not even playing the game on rigs that meet the minimum requirements of the game and you feel it’s appropriate to point the finger at the company ?

Give me a break.

Are you sure? Which people would those be? I built my PC in 2009 and it meets the minimum requirements. And although I don't get the most stable performance in-game (I haven't reinstalled Windows since 2014; I really should do that again one of these days) and the client is slow and laggy while hogging a ton of CPU and RAM, I don't get all the client problems described in this thread - only some of them. I also play on a laptop when I'm out of town, which far exceeds the minimum specs and runs LoL super smoothly but still experiences some of the client issues mentioned in this thread and others - again, only some of them (like Loot not showing sometimes until I toggle back and forth between other pages). A more powerful computer may give a better framerate, but it won't have an effect on whether e.g. the "accept game" modal dialog disappears as it's supposed to when you enter champ select.

Anyway, the part of your post I was commenting on was the statement that the game is perfectly optimized and has no room for improvement.

Magnesium14Nov 13, 20191 votes

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The game is ever expanding and growing it is an inevitable situation I do not know what to tell you.

Riot can’t just make there game less demanding it is already optimized to run as efficiently as possible.

The minimum requirements take into account the factor that the game will expand so if you did your homework correctly and built the rig right you can accommodate the increased usage.

Personally I just built a new rig for this very reason and honestly not very expensive.

You should look into upgrading your rig if you are having bottlenecking issues which is a very real thing. Clock boostIng is not healthy long term.

i Understand but my rig should be able to eazily play the game according to the minimum requirements if i was playing on top quality i could understand some very rare occasional crashes, freezes,and fps drops, if i was running multiple high demanding apps at once with league but im not im usually only running firefox, and LoL in low spec mode according to the minimum requirements i should be good with absolutely no problems at all the bottlenecking problem shoudn't even be affecting LoL, other stuff yes, but not LoL my problem is that i excel all the recommended requirements comfortably, with the exception of my gpu which is still a decently better than the recommended gpu then why do i face these problems i do more demnading stuff but those work alright then why dosent Lol

mack9112Nov 14, 20191 votes

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i Understand but my rig should be able to eazily play the game according to the minimum requirements if i was playing on top quality i could understand some very rare occasional crashes, freezes,and fps drops, if i was running multiple high demanding apps at once with league but im not im usually only running firefox, and LoL in low spec mode according to the minimum requirements i should be good with absolutely no problems at all the bottlenecking problem shoudn't even be affecting LoL, other stuff yes, but not LoL my problem is that i excel all the recommended requirements comfortably, with the exception of my gpu which is still a decently better than the recommended gpu then why do i face these problems i do more demnading stuff but those work alright then why dosent Lol

What are your computer specifications exactly ?

8 Lamar JacksonNov 13, 20191 votes

Im on the lower end with a laptop but i dont crash. I am on windows 7 tho, which i would think would be worse, but its not. I dont think specs have anything to do with it, its just certain interactions with software I think is the issue, and how certain hardware is being used.

mack9112Nov 13, 20191 votes

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Im on the lower end with a laptop but i dont crash. I am on windows 7 tho, which i would think would be worse, but its not. I dont think specs have anything to do with it, its just certain interactions with software I think is the issue, and how certain hardware is being used.

League of legends is not a demanding game graphics whatvto does require is a pretty heavy amount of cpu usage to keep everything running smooth.

10 people across the world have to look at the same thing at exactly the same microsecond. If your cpu can’t keep up it will hiccup.

8 Lamar JacksonNov 13, 20192 votes

I dont have issues. What I am saying is I have a low tier system but I do not glitch but those with higher tier systems do so it seems like it isnt hardware related, but software related.

mack9112Nov 13, 20191 votes

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I dont have issues. What I am saying is I have a low tier system but I do not glitch but those with higher tier systems do so it seems like it isnt hardware related, but software related.

What are your computer specifications exactly ?

8 Lamar JacksonNov 13, 20191 votes

Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Language: English (Regional Setting: English) System Manufacturer: Dell Inc. System Model: Latitude E6330 BIOS: BIOS Date: 05/08/17 11:10:57 Ver: A19.00 Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.9GHz Memory: 8192MB RAM Available OS Memory: 8096MB RAM Page File: 5038MB used, 11150MB available Windows Dir: C:\Windows DirectX Version: DirectX 11 DX Setup Parameters: Not found User DPI Setting: Using System DPI System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent) DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled

Runs pretty good.

mack9112Nov 13, 20191 votes

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Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Language: English (Regional Setting: English) System Manufacturer: Dell Inc. System Model: Latitude E6330 BIOS: BIOS Date: 05/08/17 11:10:57 Ver: A19.00 Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.9GHz Memory: 8192MB RAM Available OS Memory: 8096MB RAM Page File: 5038MB used, 11150MB available Windows Dir: C:\Windows DirectX Version: DirectX 11 DX Setup Parameters: Not found User DPI Setting: Using System DPI System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent) DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled

Runs pretty good.

That’s the trick though you are running a 2.9 ghz processor.

Players with ingame complaints are running around a 2.4 that just can’t pull t off anymore.

Minimum spec is 3

8 Lamar JacksonNov 13, 20191 votes

I thought I saw some with i7s n i9s better than what i have complain. I

mack9112Nov 13, 20191 votes

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I thought I saw some with i7s n i9s better than what i have complain. I

The most I’ve seen is an i7 but it was running at 2.4 ghz which is well below spec for league.

We have confirmed a 2.9 can play game at a stable point.

3 is minimum spec.