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How about giving small changes to other champions who are consistently struggling?
Summonah1236983 votes''Oh no! The community didn't like our broken buff for Yasuo so we have to cancel it! Poor Yasuo is going to be soo weak! Even though many other champions out there are also weak already!''.
Teridax682 votesYeah, that's pretty much what the tone feels like. It's almost like whoever wrote that was unhappy that Yasuo wasn't going to get buffed due to player feedback.
Deνiruchi5 votes''Oh no! The community didn't like our broken buff for Yasuo so we have to cancel it! Poor Yasuo is going to be soo weak! Even though many other champions out there are also weak already!''.
More like "We broke an entire crit marksman role but it ended up affecting Yasuo, so we're gonna take care of Yasuo and leave the adcs to rot, no wait we're gonna nerf the adc item stats and in compensation they'll be able to buy it sooner (gasp 1-2 minutes sooner!), mmmhm yep that should satisfy the community!"
Summonah123692 votes''Oh no! The community didn't like our broken buff for Yasuo so we have to cancel it! Poor Yasuo is going to be soo weak! Even though many other champions out there are also weak already!''.
Damn 59 upvotes, that's probably the most I've ever had.
Lippen272 votes66 now boi!
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
RyzeTheSmurfMage2 votesNow it's 69. Nice
Wizard Blaze45 votesIf many champs can sit in low winrate. Yasuo can do.
murderess1 votesBut he has been considerably below 50% winrate since more than a year (on diamond level), hovering around 46% half of that time.
Everyone here is a hypocrit, Yasuo HAS BEEN LOW WINRATE for a long time.
Avios17 votesHigh skill floor? Mains get better winrates.
Popular and High skill floor? He's gonna have lower than average winrates because everyone plays him.
FlameHalbrdOkido1 votesHigh skill floor? Mains get better winrates.
Popular and High skill floor? He's gonna have lower than average winrates because everyone plays him.
not sure many would agree that Yasuo has a high skill floor in fact many would argue that his skill floor is too low for the type of champion Riot advertised he would be. And many would agree that if his skill floor were raised he'd be more balanced and less annoying
LeftyRaydy40 votesDoes anyone notice how many of the top performers are AD champs. This is due to better Items for AD champs vs AP. I am talking about non crit reliant AD champions obviously.
BLIGHTBRINGER39 votesStormrazor hasn't exactly helped with balancing.
FuzzyLumps9 votesAlso the mana changes and extreme mana dependency while AD champions generally have little holding them back from performing consistent BURST damage... It's a shame really
VexingRaven7 votesAlso the mana changes and extreme mana dependency while AD champions generally have little holding them back from performing consistent BURST damage... It's a shame really
Seriously, I don't get why they felt mana items needed to be gutted so hard while so many manaless (or basically manaless...) champions perform so well consistently.
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Stop crying about this. Legit sick and tired of hearing about this. Each side has their own ups and downs, just because youre not the best mage player or got outplayed to an ad champ doesnt mean ap champs suck. I main Xerath as my secondary and can 1 ult 1 kill full health almost every game with him from a long distance. Mages are about positioning and landing skills, not trying to all in the enemy ad champ 24/7.
Akali is SO HOT27 votesA lot of champions that are kept at low winrates either have to be there for the health of the game or are weak just because we are in a meta that doesn't really favor them.
Champs that are kept weak for the health of the game: Ornn Kalista Nunu (getting reworked so doesn't really matter) Nid Gragas Sej Galio Azir Ryze Shen
When these champs are super strong they completely run over high elo and pro play while still only being able to maintain close to a 50% win ratio in low elo. Ryze has a 47% winrate and has been nerfed over and over again, but is still seeing a ton of pro play just because of how busted his kit is in the right hands. Azir is never allowed to be strong because mid lane then becomes Azir vs people who don't auto lose to him (which is not a lot of champs when he's strong). Those champions will most likely stay weak until they get reworked or have significant changes to their kits. There are other champs that should be on the list, but those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.
There are a ton of champs that just aren't good atm because of the current meta were in, but I don't wanna make a huge list of them. If you look at some of the lower winrate champions you can generally tell why they are weak. For example, Kog is pretty weak right now because engage supports are more popular and peel supports are not very prevalent in the meta right now which makes surviving as him much harder.
There are also just some cases where champions can't really be buffed with just number changes. For example, it is harder to buff/nerf Brand based on just numbers alone because if his numbers are too high then he is a busted support and if they are too low, then he is complete ass at everything. It can be too hard to find a middle ground for certain champions without making them overbearing so it's harder to buff them without making them game warping.
My Waifu Vanilla4 votesAshe is in the same boat as Kog and the early game jungle reliance and the gutting of support items hurt Ivern. I dont want Ivern to go back to pick/ban, but he does need help since he is still incredibly mediocre even before the item changes since none of the keystones are particularly good and he still kills himself clearing.
NichtHurz5 votes[{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MivyUdmK,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-08-09T00:32:31.292+0000)
A lot of champions that are kept at low winrates either have to be there for the health of the game or are weak just because we are in a meta that doesn't really favor them.
Champs that are kept weak for the health of the game: Ornn Kalista Nunu (getting reworked so doesn't really matter) Nid Gragas Sej Galio Azir Ryze Shen
When these champs are super strong they completely run over high elo and pro play while still only being able to maintain close to a 50% win ratio in low elo. Ryze has a 47% winrate and has been nerfed over and over again, but is still seeing a ton of pro play just because of how busted his kit is in the right hands. Azir is never allowed to be strong because mid lane then becomes Azir vs people who don't auto lose to him. Those champions will most likely stay weak until they get reworked or have significant changes to their kits. There are other champs that should be on the list, but those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.
There are a ton of champs that just aren't good atm because of the current meta were in, but I don't wanna make a huge list of them. If you look at some of the lower winrate champions you can generally tell why they are weak. For example, Kog is pretty weak right now because engage supports are more popular and peel supports are not very prevalent in the meta right now which makes surviving as him much harder.
There are also just some cases where champions can't really be buffed with just number changes. For example, it is harder to buff/nerf Brand based on just numbers alone because if his numbers are too high then he is a busted support and if they are too low, then he is complete ass at everything. It can be too hard to find a middle ground for certain champions without making them overbearing so it's harder to buff them without making them game warping.
Gragas and Nid are actually very playable in Solo Queue, even though Nid is found more in Dia+
El Dentistador3 votes[{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MivyUdmK,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-08-09T00:32:31.292+0000)
A lot of champions that are kept at low winrates either have to be there for the health of the game or are weak just because we are in a meta that doesn't really favor them.
Champs that are kept weak for the health of the game: Ornn Kalista Nunu (getting reworked so doesn't really matter) Nid Gragas Sej Galio Azir Ryze Shen
When these champs are super strong they completely run over high elo and pro play while still only being able to maintain close to a 50% win ratio in low elo. Ryze has a 47% winrate and has been nerfed over and over again, but is still seeing a ton of pro play just because of how busted his kit is in the right hands. Azir is never allowed to be strong because mid lane then becomes Azir vs people who don't auto lose to him. Those champions will most likely stay weak until they get reworked or have significant changes to their kits. There are other champs that should be on the list, but those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.
There are a ton of champs that just aren't good atm because of the current meta were in, but I don't wanna make a huge list of them. If you look at some of the lower winrate champions you can generally tell why they are weak. For example, Kog is pretty weak right now because engage supports are more popular and peel supports are not very prevalent in the meta right now which makes surviving as him much harder.
There are also just some cases where champions can't really be buffed with just number changes. For example, it is harder to buff/nerf Brand based on just numbers alone because if his numbers are too high then he is a busted support and if they are too low, then he is complete ass at everything. It can be too hard to find a middle ground for certain champions without making them overbearing so it's harder to buff them without making them game warping.
Bring back Ivern!
FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes[{quoted}](name=El Dentistador,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MivyUdmK,comment-id=00080002,timestamp=2018-08-09T07:50:06.978+0000)
Bring back Ivern!
just keep playing him, ur welcome on my team any time, i also like playing the less popular champions...unless it Skarner/Amummu (they are just to sad for me:()
YumaS2Astral24 votesMost of those champions are cancerous to play against when they are strong, however. Nunu, Kalista, Ornn, Syndra, Nidalee, Irelia, Gnar - Kalista can't be balanced for both SoloQ and competitive, Ezreal is literally picked every single game if he is even slighty strong (he doesn't even need to be the best ADC in the meta, he just needs to not be weak to be the most popular pick). Gnar invalidates and outclasses every melee bruiser when he is not weak. Ornn does so much damage for someone that builds full tank, and he tends to outduel even bruisers (which are supposed to be able to beat tanks)
Thefrostyviking5 votesHaving played her i dont actually think Syndra is bad, rather her damage with electrolute combo is pretty dang nasty.
Its probably just a case of assassins shutting mages down that makes life difficult for her.
YumaS2Astral23 votesHaving played her i dont actually think Syndra is bad, rather her damage with electrolute combo is pretty dang nasty.
Its probably just a case of assassins shutting mages down that makes life difficult for her.
Everytime Syndra is cancerous to play against, it is because her ult can one shot people by itself
Thefrostyviking4 votesDoesnt even need to be that much, just as long as her E-Q-W-R kills she is "good", i am even fairly sure one of the more known LCS players played Syndra and did really well with her into Zoe.
Her ulti+electrolute+ignite deals insane damage too so a lack of it is not her issue.
VexingRaven6 votesMost of those champions are cancerous to play against when they are strong, however.
Like Yasuo?
hotarse14 votesWhy do people think it some kind of big revelation when they claim riot shows favoritism to some champs? RIOT THEMSELVES HAVE COME OUT PUBLICLY STATING THEY SHOW FAVORITISM TO POPULAR CHAMPS. They know it and are not ashamed of it.
Alex h872111 votesPoor 
:( mr gargoyle has been nerfed into damn near uselessness in solo q only b/c of his success in proplay.
Autrah Fang5 votes[{quoted}](name=Alex h8721,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MivyUdmK,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-08T23:44:24.336+0000)
Poor
Nerfed into uselessness for about 6 years before his VGU, then he gets his VGU, sees play for a while, then nerfed to uselessness in solo q again because he's good in LCS. Poor guy can't catch a break, can he :/
Zeromatsu3 votesOld Galio was actually quite good and fun to play. I really enjoyed playing him. The new one on the other hand... What's the purpose of a rework if he is shit and the play rate is same/worse than before?
FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes[{quoted}](name=Broken Fangz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MivyUdmK,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-08-09T04:25:10.640+0000)
Nerfed into uselessness for about 6 years before his VGU, then he gets his VGU, sees play for a while, then nerfed to uselessness in solo q again because he's good in LCS. Poor guy can't catch a break, can he :/
its gotta be that ult man, they gotta stop giving some champs such strong teamplay ults, i mean not ONLY is its map traversing which is GREAT for teamplay but its also got a knock up on a MASSIVE range...basically anyone whos got a teamplay ult like one with CC or has the ability to traverse the map very quickly is gonna be hard to balance, it seems to be a trend. If they tweaked a lot of champions abilities ults especially the would probably be easier to balance.
ValiantKiller8 votesYes it does, Look at the love they give to 
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cause they sell skins while 
throwing in gutter status without good items build path.
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ValiantKiller5 votes[{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MivyUdmK,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-08-09T00:59:49.392+0000)
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Bricky confirm!
La Bello7 votes
- "the untouchable's"
D357R0Y3R4 votes
Jerry SeinfeId3 votesshh can't say that cuz the boards actually like him.
xZabaksx1 votesToo late - he's already gaining downvotes :(
Jerry SeinfeId2 votesquick get a shitty 4 meme in here to distract them.
xZabaksx3 votesHmm...thought of one.. Jhin is the only champion that is pleased if somebody steals his penta.
Bisaknosp1 votesriven and ahri wat? add zed and draven to the list
La Bello4 votesIll add Zed but Draven is nowhere near popular enough to receive the "never allowed to be bad for long" treatment that the others receive.
I legit feel like the others are given special treatment on account of massive popularity something most other champions will never know due to low playrates (like Yorick or Sion for instance).
dont think there was ever a time when any of these guys ran the risk of being "Olaf'd"
If other champs sit at a subpar state Riot takes their time "zeroing in" on the appropriate change.
if Yasuo is even EXPECTED to be bad he gets 100% buff to ult ratio
Ralik0986 votesRiot has always been biased in their balanced decisions, this isn't anything new. I have no idea how there are people in this community that haven't noticed this yet.
SugeMinPikk5 votesThe change has been reverted chill
Dope Solo17 votesRemoving a symptom doesn't cure the underlying illness.
Fertsa4 votesAkali and nunu number's aren't the most accurate atm, with akali being reworked recently and disco nunu being a thing recently.
but i do agree that some champs on the lower end could use a bit of help
Pika Fox4 votesNo, its not showing favoritism. All those "worst" champions are either great in competitive, or are on the vgu list. Only exception is ivern, who is generally a sleeper pick whenever he is good.
invisiblecat13 votesRemember when Sejuani was strong for two patches because of Cinderhulk and was nerfed immediately, and was never seen again until her rework
Then Twitch was strong for an entire season and Riot completely ignored how potent he was, giving him small buffs that didn't change anything
Boulderox3 votesRemember when Sejuani was strong for two patches because of Cinderhulk and was nerfed immediately, and was never seen again until her rework
Then Twitch was strong for an entire season and Riot completely ignored how potent he was, giving him small buffs that didn't change anything
Sejuani got nerfs, then cinder got nerfed and never was given back compensation....
The term sejuani'd was forever made that time.
fƒ152 votesTo be fair, riot balance team can't immediately even out all of the winrates in one patch.
Top: Akali is new and the playerbase is just underperforming because of experience with akali top and mid. Be thinking of the state of Kindred before to now after champions in her role getting nerfs and buffs. Ornn I'm pretty sure low elo brings down a lot because of champion mastery and skill. Jungle: Ivern and Sej aren't very easy champions and players who aren't experienced must be lowering the winrate by a lot. Middle: I think it's the same problem as Ivern has but with Galio middle. Adc: Varus and Ashe aren't in a good place when it comes to item viability for carrying in comparison to other adcs. Support: Nunu... isn't a support lmao
Elon Musky2 votescan nami, soraka, and other squishy supports get buffs? pls??? this high damage ad meta has been very cancerous for squishy supports.
