Now that the movement speed boost is getting removed from Q they are up in full force because now they will have to think during lane phase instead of pressing Q and getting out of a gank for free.
even though they got FAR better compensation than the champions this patch the loss of the movement speed on Q is making them froth at the mouth.
although i will say the nerf they placed on W is uncalled for.
AirKingNeo11 votesThis definitely isn't a circlejerk thread people should ignore!
"Brace yourselves everyone ahri mains are crying for no reason"
Oh, wait, yes it is.
Eedat10 votesdamage amp removed, Q move speed added to compensate
"Give us the damage amp back! Ahri has no identity!"
Q move speed removed, damage amp readded
"Why are you taking her Q movement speed away?!"
Is this real life?
LilBadWitch5 votesdamage amp removed, Q move speed added to compensate
"Give us the damage amp back! Ahri has no identity!"
Q move speed removed, damage amp readded
"Why are you taking her Q movement speed away?!"
Is this real life?
It's almost like they're two different "generations" of Ahri players, I've only played the Q-MS version as a more recent player. The version on the PBE feels clunky and unfun to me as a "newer generation" Ahri player. I didn't notice a significant damage increase compared to before, and the champion felt more meh to play.
Also, who presses Q to avoid a gank in lane? That's not where her safety was, it was in the R+R+R until you were at base / escaped gank for 100 mana on a 70s CD midgame. It needed a limiter, not the Q-MS that let you position yourself to hit the Q on the way back.
Eedat12 votesAlso, who presses Q to avoid a gank in lane?
Are you fucking nuts? Who doesnt use a 300 MS buff to avoid a gank?
LilBadWitch3 votesAre you fucking nuts? Who doesnt use a 300 MS buff to avoid a gank?
300 Decaying MS over 1 second... against champions that also have their own dashes / gap closers. It's simple math...
(300 + 240 + 180 + 120 + 80) x .25 = 230 units of extra space in 1 second
= 230 units of space in 1 second with her Q
= 450 units of space in 1 second with her R (x3 possible)
= 475 units of space in 1 second on a teleport
= 400 units of space in 1 second on her net backwards dash
= 425 units of space in 1 second his dash
= 425 units of space in 1 second with dash
etc...
If the Q was the problem, then these champs would have safety problems too...
The Q-MS is not the problem with her ability to defy death, it's her R and it'll always be her R. You take the Q movement speed away and one can still R+R+R away from any bad situation. The Q movement speed being there or not being there won't fix that simple fact that anybody can load into a game and flash away 3 times for 100 mana on a 110 second CD and 70 second CD towards the mid game.
The Q-MS makes her feel less clunky and fluid as a champion, it was a good niche for her. The ult is the safety problem today, tomorrow, and the next day no matter what you do to her Q, W, E.
JustMonika135 votesAlso, who presses Q to avoid a gank in lane? That's not where her safety was, it was in the R+R+R until you were at base / escaped gank for .
?????
Souji1 votesI'm not too sure about that..I've seen so many Ahri's just throw Q and run away during ganks or when anyone tried initiating on them if they're a melee assassin with a short gap closer. But yeah its 80% different 'generations'. I started playing Ahri mid Season 4 so this iteration of Ahri is what got me into the champ. So I'm quite pleased as are other people who liked Assassin Ahri. Everything just feels so much more satsifying and then you can't just Q run away from ganks which will be nice and remove some of that frustrating factor of Ahri. Gank Ahri pre 6, she's more vulnerable. Gank Ahri after 6: get her to use ult to run away. Come back a bit later and get rewarded for a good gank.
Bisaknosp2 votes? didnt see any1 say that nice shit you are pulling out your ass ;)
Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votesdeserved... her kit is safe enough
Souji1 votesWelcome to the community. Where when Riot gives half of people what they want, they upset the other half. It's mainly two sides here. It's to be expected I guess.
Bisaknosp9 votesi main ahri and i'm excited for these changes
no idea what you are talking about biatch lel
HalcyonDweller7 votesYou are misrepresenting people in order to discredit and silence them. This is deplorable, please stop.
Edit: Also you are incorrect regarding the last part - W got buffed, not nerfed.
Edge of Daybreak2 votesYou are misrepresenting people in order to discredit and silence them. This is deplorable, please stop.
It's like you just summarized every Ahri player that has ever posted a reply to a AD assassin based thread. Fuck ahri players tbh they have no empathy but expect it.
HalcyonDweller3 votesAu Contraire I have plenty of empathy. Watch your mouth and don't make shitty generalizations.
Souji1 votesBruh. I don't know what you're talking about. Not everyone who plays Ahri is anti AD Assassin. I main one lol.
Ahri Body Pillow7 votesCould you please point me in the direction of those who oppose the charm and orb of deception changes? I, for one, love them. I've been asking Riot to move Ahri back to the kiss of death fantasy for ages.
I also think the W changes are BS, btw.
JustMonika131 votes[{quoted}](name=Ahri Body Pillow,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vL3E1yM7,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-03-08T00:22:15.092+0000)
Could you please point me in the direction of those who oppose the charm and orb of deception changes? I, for one, love them. I've been asking Riot to move Ahri back to the kiss of death fantasy for ages.
I also think the W changes are BS, btw.
I mean, there’s LilBadWitch in this thread.
A surprising amount of people are crying about the MS buff on Q being removed.
Nut on my Butt1 votesIt's the same W delay she had from release up until DFG's removal tho
Ahri Body Pillow1 votesIt's already hard enough for assassins to pop carries, do we really need even more of a delay?
Nut on my Butt1 votesI think the W range nerf is a bigger issue without Q movespeed tbh, I'm curious why W was mostly ignored for changes more than anything tho.
Hayaishi4 votesI've played all the versions of Ahri. Even before her E had the 20% damage amp and the Q MS version is the most fun IMO.
Ahri is just a bad assassin if you force her to hit E to kill stuff, she's better off as a kite mage.
I'm no Ahri main though, i don't even main mid, i just like playing her.
Bisaknosp3 votesyup, the changes will make her unreliable af, and i just realized how clunky the w change will make her
Rins Thigh Socks2 votesyup, the changes will make her unreliable af, and i just realized how clunky the w change will make her
That's how her W used to be. It wasn't particularly exciting, and took long enough you normally would press W before R because they wouldn't go online until you got really close and they wouldn't hit the minions.
ValyrianBlade4 votesI think that the Ahri players from pre-5.2 like the revert.
More recent players don't realize it is a revert, and don't understand why she's getting changed.
Rins Thigh Socks1 votesI think that the Ahri players from pre-5.2 like the revert.
More recent players don't realize it is a revert, and don't understand why she's getting changed.
I don't like the revert.
I like the overall direction (more damage, Q does less things overall), not the specific choices. W was pretty feelsbad before 5.2 and with 100 less range it'll be kinda sucky again. And shoehorning you into landing E first makes your combos more predictable and less thought out. From a design perspective it sounds great that, "Oh wow I have to choose between the amplified damage or a predictable charm." but in practice it feels limiting because if you have to direct your kit onto one champion and for some reason (mobility, someone bodyblocked, etc.) you have to switch targets, your damage vs. both targets suffers.
I'd much rather see new changes than going back to an old iteration. Especially when the guy's been working on the changes for like 2 weeks.
71060670DEL11 votesShe was one of the champions I learned the game on in season 7, and I like the changes
Jeanne fan club3 votesI feel like people on the boards complain about ahri mains more than ahri mains complain about ahri tbh. Haven't heard anyone complain about the q ms being lost, and I'm in 2 relatively high elo ahri main clubs. Every ahri main I know is actually really happy about this change. Sounds like the boards are straw-maning ahri mains again.
Honestly the W nerf isn't even that bad, its not supposed to be an overwhelming ability anyway, I'm surprised people aren't complaining about the ap ratio buffs on her ult and W considering the boards complain about her targeted ability damage a lot. Actually, im not even sure that its a W nerf considering she can now cast W then ult in so that the majority of the orbs hit the target she wants them to hit. Yeah, this is more of a direct buff than anything to be honest.
My only question is if the charm amp damage will apply to her Q true damage. True damage is almost never affected by damage amps, but if I remember correctly, Ahri's E Q was the only acception to this rule.
2Charmnot2Charm1 votesMy only question is if the charm amp damage will apply to her Q true damage.
Tested it on pbe yesterday, her true damage does get amp'ed by charm.
Jeanne fan club1 votesTested it on pbe yesterday, her true damage does get amp'ed by charm.
thanks for the info fam
zero3562 votesIDK man, last I checked, a majority of Ahri mains thought Q movespeed was stupid or needed to be conditional
HalcyonDweller2 votesConditional.
Rins Thigh Socks2 votesI'm the highest elo Ahri player on Boards and I think that Q needed to get nerfed because it was overloaded. Good on rickless for that.
The issue is W is a boring skill and I don't like that nerf on it. I don't like the Kiss iteration either. I started playing just before they made her kiss of death Ahri in the first place. It's not a bad iteration it's just very boring and requires her to open up with E for maximum damage, which feels kinda lame. I really would just rather have W be a better, more thoughtful spell. Would make her feel a lot fairer to play against for a lot of mids.
Thee Pie Man2 votesKinda wish you could "bounce" the W so that it had more ways to use it, like you press it once to send it out, and again to ricochet it towards your cursor or something, giving you three shots to do some poke. I just enjoy playing Ahri when I decide to play her, would like to see a bit more complicated "play" options on her though. A lot of champions now for mid are you land one ability and combo, which is what gives them that "burst" like effect however there's champions that have multiple abilities to rely on while ahri feels like she relies on her E more than anything else and it makes her less "burst" and more "poke" which is strange with how her kit is set up. She's got a close engage/escape ultimate while also having a click and leave w, with two skill shots that deal damage and fire in straight lines. I feel like she's punished too much for not hitting an E with nothing to try and do except throw Q's through minions.
I feel like she could use a bit of a revamp/change on some of her kit to make her less boring in general to play. (No offense.) It feels great to land everything all in a row, but it feels like you're just setting up enemies for a Syndra Ult, but the ult is having to use all your abilities? Gives her a higher skill cap but at the same time makes her difficult to actually execute a combo in team fights when you want to get in and take out a carry or something that stepped out of line.
Bisaknosp1 voteshm yes tbh i also fear that having to rely on hitting e first will suck but since the only spell they nerfed damagewise is her e i dont think she has to hit charm for targets with no mr
PeachyPosterior2 votesI'm pretty sure every Ahri main has been asking for her to have power put back into her kit because she just feels so mediocer to play. Fun, but not like she can really do too much.
To get power back to her kit of course they're going to have to take away some of her safety. Q movement speed being the obvious choice.
This isn't even an offical change. Thursday will see a different set of power changes to see what feels better. But ultimatly the Q MS has to be given up in order to gain more power. Riot said they want her highs to be higher and lows to be lower.
Her fox fire prioritation does need some improments though. It is supposed to target champions but doesn't seem to do it right half the time.
Ahri Baka2 votesNot really , I'm excited for the changes , the problem is Ahri is no longer a kite mage
71060670DEL12 votesFrom what i've played of her on the PBE I like the new changes. She seems to be able to trade better in lane while not being able to use her q as a get out of jail free card. Mid-late game she can actually kill things again without being insanely fed.
Athenes Lulu2 votesExcept back when Ahri got that movespeed bonus upon casting Q, a lot of Ahri mains didn't want that.
Somnitsu1 votesI hated the movespeed. Glad to have the kiss of death back. Now I can kills things vs running away.
Salron1 votesThe only person crying for no reason here is you
Souji1 votesYou seem to have the wrong impression of Ahri mains. Assuming we all 'hate' these changes. Contrary to that a lot of us WANTED this. It's just when one side gets what they want, the others become more vocal and whine. I'm quite happy with these changes. I mean except the delay on W. That just feels bad. The damage increase is definitely nice. She feels so much more satisfying imo.
2Charmnot2Charm1 votesHonestly feels like he was talking about players that pick ahri when they get autofilled mid tbh.
Souji1 votesThat sounds about right.
Dancing Foxx1 votesI’m in the 2015 generation and have only known movespeed Ahri. Don’t like the notion of her being a “walk around slowly and hope I hit charm once in a while” Ahri.
I watched LCS when they played Ahri games. And this guys missed LOTS of charms.
