Make a max % hp reduction item so we can counter these cancer Max % hp champion.

LegendmakerGX··2 votes·1,085 views

I just don't get how you are suppose to counter these champion Camille Kled Fiora when they do so much high damage and have so much mobility. Sure they are Jug that doesn't mean they should be toxic to deal with in lane they counter tank with there dumb max % hp damage and when they get on a adc/mid then just pray they don't get deleted. What the hell do we do to counter these waste dump? We can't go tank since they can kill us with % max hp and you surely can't go damage since for some reason they can heal and take a load of damage before dieing.

The only champion I actually see that is fine and not cancer with % hp is Shen since he can't hyper carry like these champion and he is actually tank, sure give these champion heal if you want but why give them % max hp that counter every champion unless they can't reach you which is non existent late game? They also have great escape tool which should never had been giving to a jug you see Darius has to get black clever to catch up or escape but these guys don't even need that item to escape from a gank.

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Critmaster Garen5 votes

against most % health damage you can build resistances.

against fiora, you can outmaneuver her and protect your vitals by hugging walls.

against vayne... well, shes actually cancer and doesnt have counterplay.

Ralanr3 votes

No.

LegendmakerGX1 votes

Got to love actually reasoning why these days from the board automatically a no if you don't have a good reason why they shouldn't then don't even make a comment.

Ralanr2 votes

The basic way of reducing %health damage is just building resistances for it. Having an item that specifically reduces %healtg damage is actually much too niche and would either be overpowered or underpowered because of how it may interact with those champions.

RogueWill1 votes

and then you find Vayne and there is little you can do

Ralanr2 votes

Are you one of those people who throw everything at Yasuo's wall and complain that it blocks it all?

Some things you need to play around.

LegendmakerGX1 votes

If you can play around everything then there is no need for nerfs and no rushing deadman is not a good option since it helps you do nothing in lane or even farm, do you ever main tank before because if you build tank items without health then you will be instantly losing lane because of the bullying and low hp you seem to forget these champion can harrase you non stop. Camilla has a lot of hp for a regular champion ever wonder why a lot of people wouldn't go tank champion or build? It's because of % max hp there is no counter to it unless you have a team with you only one that can maybe beat them is Shen since he can block but that block has a big cool down. You ever played with Plat-diamond players? You will see the difference from skill level with those champion if you do.

Side note for inexperience players like you who seem to not know how to play tank champion people build fire cap for a reason first and that's to farm, tank champion has the weakness and that's farming while taking harassment damage that's why you see triple doran ring came into meta so they can spam ability to cs while doing damage.

Ralanr1 votes

First off, I mained tanks throughout all of season 6.

Second off, Camille doesn't build tank because she prioritizes damage. That's all.

LegendmakerGX1 votes

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First off, I mained tanks throughout all of season 6.

Second off, Camille doesn't build tank because she prioritizes damage. That's all.

Ya I never said she build tank I said she is can tank a lot of damage because of her large amount of hp alone and build path which most common is trinity and titanic hydra but I'll do the math for you Camille hp start is 575+95 per level which we will use level 6 so she gets 1145 now we add trinity which is 250+titanic hydra which is 450=1845. This is her building damage items non tank so she practically is building hp item while damage item + Max % hp. Hp should had been more if I went to level 8 which would be when she got titanic hydra she has more hp growth and health regen the most tank to let you know.

RogueWill1 votes

No, I'm the type of people that suggest having a niche item for a specific situation is the best way to deal with things. That way I can make choices to itemize correctly instead of just wait 30 min and automatically win because I'm said champion. That's why item 3123 exist, despite making DrMundo , Vladimir and Swain considerable weaker; that way if you got beat is because you didn't optimize correctly and not just because the champion exist.

Ralanr1 votes

So you're the kind of person who holds champions back by having one item completely fuck them over?

Fun.

RogueWill1 votes

So tell me how to play around vayne, because the only way seem to be end the game before 30 min or hope she is bad mechanically. The first one is kinda bullshit since you are tank and you are weak yourself for most of the early game, great now I have 15 min to finish a game before I'm left up with no options to play around a champion, fun. The second one isn't counterplay at all. Plus she has no CD between silver bolts. Sejuani has a similar burst with her E but she needs to wait 9sec between procs (and is not true damage). Fiora CD is 0.5 sec between vitals. Why do you let them do %HP true damage so often?

Ralanr1 votes

How to play around: lock her down and blow her up. It's not easy, but it is possible.

You can also build items that slow attack speed.

RogueWill1 votes

I'm a tank I don't blow anyone up. I can burst but due to life steal she will heal back once the initial burst is done. Plus riot has been removing more and more point and click CC which is what is needed to lock her down someone that is fairly mobile on close quarters.

Ralanr1 votes

That's why you don't fight her alone.

RogueWill1 votes

Then she is not fighting alone either and have plenty of peel to work with. Why is that is it ok that I can't do my job because you have to play around it? Just make it do physical damage and she wouldn't be much of an issue, or magical damage like darius if you feel like he damage is getting reduced too much.

Shahamut1 votes

I dunno, I have no problem vs Yasuo, and Vayne is only a problem if you let it get to late game.

Personally, I just dont like %MAX HP True damage... Literally no counter to it. And in both cases of its existence (Vayne/Fiora)

there is basically no cooldown between hits of this type. 3 autos? with tumble resets and wall stuns? How fast do vitals spawn once proc'd? oh she can also just ult.

Im not saying these champions are unbeatable, and I have no real issues with them, I just dont like the mechanic.

LegendmakerGX1 votes

So what's the build then bud? You make it seem easy but clearly you don't know what to build because practically all amour item now has HP given to them all except for Thornmil. Tell me more if I left the only item that gives resistance to them that doesn't actually boost their max % hp damage because of the item giving HP.

Ralanr3 votes

Dude, building deadmans will reduce %max health damage even if it is giving more health to shred. It does this because you're putting resistances on top of that health.

And you forgot IBG, Stoneplate, Locket, and Frozen Heart for no health armor items.

Shahamut1 votes

That doesn't affect the true damage. It bypasses resist and scales with your health, so the more health you have the more damage it does (in the case of % max HP true damage)

In any other case yeah, resists will lower the damage as normal and its not as big a deal.

Ralanr1 votes

No it doesn't effect true damage. Nothing does. That's the point.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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So what's the build then bud? You make it seem easy but clearly you don't know what to build because practically all amour item now has HP given to them all except for Thornmil. Tell me more if I left the only item that gives resistance to them that doesn't actually boost their max % hp damage because of the item giving HP.

You realize Camille gets fucked by early armor with her standard build (Triforce into Tiamat item), if you're on a meta tank (one that deals decent damage)? Her True damage is what she uses to melt tanks, and it doesn't get good until midgame). Same with Kled (until he gets Cleaver), except Kled is Kled and does a shit ton of damage. It's not his %health damage killing you, believe me.

ALSO: YOU can go damage and fight most of them. They only heal for a lot because you were in a long fight (since you build defense) and they healed a lot from that. That being said, Kled and Camille only get lifesteal conditionally, second item (as Titanic is far more common than Rav)... meaning I don't know how Kled healed, and with Camille, it means she outplayed you by hitting you with the second part of her W

Fiora's healing isn't amazing either, and a good Fiora will get lifesteal third, fourth, or sometimes even fifth (a good Fiora usually gets Phage first item, not Tiamat. They still go into Rav though. Fifth because they might get Pickaxe first, and they might also get Tabi's). Her MAJOR healing will e from her ult... which she will only pop because you're building defensive and she had a lot of time to pop it.

Glîtchy1 votes

It's Kled's only real form of damage, but it's stupid on the other two and ZAC

Anonagon1 votes

I love the use of Kled as an example, whose %hp damages sources are both pretty negligible and completely unreliable, respectively

Camille too. That conditional, 6-8%hp damage on her last maxed ability is surely the source of all of her power

Requiemsfire1 votes

The reason they have % max health is so that they can duel tanks later down the track and don't instantly lose the instant an enemy picks up a deadman's or sunfire cape.

Glîtchy1 votes

Percentage HP that should be dealt with, ZAC, Vayne, and Camille.

Tho people say Yorick's should be dealt with, but it's only during his ult

Shahamut1 votes

Its really only problematic when its true damage. Thats my take on it.

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