Please make Luden's Echo noticable

AHeroNamedHawke·Mar 13, 2015·220 votes·7,241 views

The particle is a tiny purple blob that makes no sound, while stattik shiv is a loud bolt of lighting

Gimme some oomph Riot pls

63 Comments

TalamareMar 13, 201567 votes

Luden's Echo

More like

Zac's Fart

Poptart EvelynnMar 13, 20158 votes

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Luden's Echo

More like

Zac's Fart

I'm not sure why I just laughed at this.

idokiMar 13, 20156 votes

Starts applauding

iLumaMar 13, 20157 votes

Zac summoner 3

junglerboy16Mar 13, 20154 votes

Secret Weapon Zac makes SO much sense now!

blessthekellenMar 13, 20153 votes

Special Weapon Zac's Fart.

TheI3igDaddyMar 13, 201547 votes

It's called Luden's Echo, and they didn't give it any sound? For fuck's sakes, Riot!

iainB85Mar 13, 20152 votes

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It's called Luden's Echo, and they didn't give it any sound? For fuck's sakes, Riot!

10/10

Yuki AkumaMar 13, 201523 votes

It should have a distorted version of the sound from the ability used to trigger it.

AHeroNamedHawkeMar 13, 201511 votes

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It should have a distorted version of the sound from the ability used to trigger it.

That'd be pretty sick actually

Probably a pain to code though

ElJanitorFrankMar 14, 20151 votes

Nah, should be easy. Just slap a particular filter on it.

No doubt at all that there would be some weird combinations of abilities, but whatever.

Chaotic ReksMar 13, 20153 votes

Xerath YESYESYESYESYESYES

DrCyanideMar 13, 20151 votes

That'd be awesome, and would make so much sense!

ZylotheWolfbaneMar 13, 201514 votes

So, since Statick Shiv is a bolt of lightning arcing between targets. What if Luden's Echo was like a bolt of purple lightning striking from above the target?

AHeroNamedHawkeMar 13, 20153 votes

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So, since Statick Shiv is a bolt of lightning arcing between targets. What if Luden's Echo was like a bolt of purple lightning striking from above the target?

I can dig it

CircusT4ffyMar 13, 20154 votes

Why not make it a blast of sound going between targets, like a purple sound wave that makes a very distinct noise when it hits?

I'm all for something showing it was used more clearly, but if we could help it lets use something aside from lightning.

YOU BEEN WARNEDMar 13, 20159 votes

Also give it some damage, current 100 +15% AP is just unnoticeable as it's particle.

With 120 AP that's 117 damage, let me remind you that spell casts come slower than AA counterpart. item 3087

with 1000 AP that's 250 damage. Really ? Statik Shiv can crit frequently for 200 damage without full build. Further improved with item 3031 's crit damage to 250 damage.

The easiest way to fix item 3285 is to give it more charge time as a justification for dealing decent damage ( which it currently does not. )

AHeroNamedHawkeMar 13, 20155 votes

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Also give it some damage, current 100 +15% AP is just unnoticeable as it's particle.

With 120 AP that's 117 damage, let me remind you that spell casts come slower than AA counterpart.

with 1000 AP that's 250 damage. Really ? Statik Shiv can crit frequently for 200 damage without full build. Further improved with 's crit damage.

The easiest way to fix is to give it more charge time as a justification for dealing decent damage ( which it currently does not. )

It also stacks much faster than Shiv, as it gives 20 stacks for every spell cast and you have to autoattack to get extra shiv stacks

Combine that with a low CD champ like Vladimir Katarina Karthus and it's pretty good

YOU BEEN WARNEDMar 13, 20152 votes

Did you even use it before posting, I'm just wondering. Aside from the fact those champions have better things to invest in even item 3023 would feel better in an AP build due to the CDR mixed in. The damage does not deliver, the fact statik shiv outputs more damage at lower cost is very sad.

AHeroNamedHawkeMar 13, 20153 votes

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Did you even use it before posting, I'm just wondering. Aside from the fact those champions have better things to invest in even would feel better in an AP build due to the CDR mixed in. The damage does not deliver, the fact statik shiv outputs more damage at lower cost is very sad.

I've been testing it on Kat and Vlad as a replacement for Deathcap mid game

They already have fairly low scaling on their basic combos and the movespeed is good on both of them

They're two different items and Shiv can't be applied with anything but AAs

Not to mention that Shiv is only critting on 40% of attacks in a standard ADC build, as they'll have IE + Shiv and nothing else for crit chance

Yasuo is the only one outdamaging Luden's with Shiv due to his passive, and Luden's still stacks faster

Auz the RipperMar 13, 20151 votes

Try it on Xerath

Occasionally upping arcanopulse's damage to 340+(.9AP) is Brutal

Jesus is SaviorMar 14, 20151 votes

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Also give it some damage, current 100 +15% AP is just unnoticeable as it's particle.

With 120 AP that's 117 damage, let me remind you that spell casts come slower than AA counterpart.

with 1000 AP that's 250 damage. Really ? Statik Shiv can crit frequently for 200 damage without full build. Further improved with 's crit damage to 250 damage.

The easiest way to fix is to give it more charge time as a justification for dealing decent damage ( which it currently does not. )

it's broken on Evelynn. It's basically a 2nd triforce, if you build both.

MarshallBanannaMar 13, 20155 votes

+1 Was testing a item 3285 + item 3087 build on Kassadin for the luls and i couldn't even see it.

Even after i sold Statikk just to see if it was actually proc'ing i could barely see it.

It also doesn't help that Kassadin 's particles are all purple.

NorthernDruidMar 13, 20154 votes

Agreed, make it more... magical, more powerful and not just 4 blobs flopping about.

IceKingChernobogMar 13, 20153 votes

yeah, while it's a good item burst mages i can barely see when it goes off. More clarity would be great for it.

TruthtellerMar 13, 20153 votes

Would be cooler if it had a "swoosh" sound similar to velkoz's W, otherwise I totally agree.

Malix FarwinMar 13, 20152 votes

I don't understand what difference it would make to be perfectly honest. Gameplay wise hearing the sound wont exactly stop it from hitting you

AHeroNamedHawkeMar 13, 20156 votes

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I don't understand what difference it would make to be perfectly honest. Gameplay wise hearing the sound wont exactly stop it from hitting you

Cuz it's boring

LevyathynMar 13, 20157 votes

The Shiv is a VERY obvious trigger, and it lets you know instantly that it's been used, by who, and on what. This can mean the difference in a hundred or so damage to you and maybe another teammate, which can mean everything. It's not major, but having that readily audible sound and a more noticeable effect could mean the difference in a duel.

Malix FarwinMar 13, 20151 votes

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The Shiv is a VERY obvious trigger, and it lets you know instantly that it's been used, by who, and on what. This can mean the difference in a hundred or so damage to you and maybe another teammate, which can mean everything. It's not major, but having that readily audible sound and a more noticeable effect could mean the difference in a duel.

by the time you hear shivs sound it has already did its damage. The sound is more of a vanity thing then anything else.

JevelFaithfulMar 13, 20152 votes

I'd tend to disagree. It helps you know which damage are on "cooldown", helps you when you just used it and you can't expect it for a few seconds. Helps you know the beat at which you throw them out and helps you prepare for the next trigger. All that approximatively, but without looking at the UI. If you want precision or confirmation, then you'll look at the UI.

PhrixscreothMar 13, 20153 votes

The point isn't so that you can avoid taking damage by dodging when the sound comes out, the point is letting the person know that their item is on cooldown and you have to charge your damage boost again.

The sound feedback isn't for the sake of the person getting hit, it's for the person doing the hitting.

OleandervineMar 13, 20153 votes

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The point isn't so that you can avoid taking damage by dodging when the sound comes out, the point is letting the person know that their item is on cooldown and you have to charge your damage boost again.

The sound feedback isn't for the sake of the person getting hit, it's for the person doing the hitting.

^ As Luden's Echo stands now, it's one of those "invisible power" things that Riot tends to disapprove of, that, and the subtlety of it isn't that exciting to see, so it may as well be a variation on the Deathcap in terms of all of the effects you notice.

ecneregillebMar 13, 20152 votes

It does have sound, for the record.

AHeroNamedHawkeMar 13, 20153 votes

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It does have sound, for the record.

Yeah I went and checked after making this thread

Couldn't tell from the 3 games I played with it

ThryaleMar 13, 20152 votes

is it just me, or is the bonus dmg from it hardly even noticeable either?

TheLordPrismMar 13, 20152 votes

Yeah I would really like it to make more of a sound/be more visible myself........ But aside from that, I'm really enjoying this item so far, especially on my main, Diana ........... It's given her a very noticeable increase in her burst...... Before this Item came out, I would always need to use my q, r, w , passive proc, r to finish someone off...... If I go in for a combo with ludens fully charged, I don't even have to use my second r most of the time. I'd say that's a pretty significant difference. And as far as the item on Cassiopeia goes, It's pretty good since it stacks even faster than it does with others (which is pretty fast to begin with.