After an entire year of deceit, Riot finally concedes Dynamic queue doesnt work in high elo

AHeroNamedHawke·Aug 24, 2016·61 votes·4,461 views

TL;DR: For players near the top of the ladder, we’re bringing back solo queue and making a number of other changes focused on competitive integrity.

Link for myself to gloat: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/JNwgrzih-qa-about-dynamic-queues-and-new-champ-select?comment=001b000000000000

Ranked may actually be worth coming back to in 2017, I look forward to seeing how the changes play out

105 Comments

Michael702Aug 24, 201637 votes

Yeah, Diamond+ will get back solo/duo queue. Congrats to the top 1.88%. What about the rest of us? I guess they figure we will all shut up about it as long as the pros and youtubers are happy.

LappaDanielsonAug 24, 20161 votes

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Yeah, Diamond+ will get back solo/duo queue. Congrats to the top 1.88%. What about the rest of us? I guess they figure we will all shut up about it as long as the pros and youtubers are happy.

excuse me we're the top 1.3 percent, get it right

Dr PoroAug 25, 20164 votes

According to which site? According to http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution it is closer to 2% than what you stated.

MiraweaveAug 24, 20167 votes

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Yeah, Diamond+ will get back solo/duo queue. Congrats to the top 1.88%. What about the rest of us? I guess they figure we will all shut up about it as long as the pros and youtubers are happy.

It's mainly an issue for high elo players, though.

Bears Dont CareAug 24, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=Freelo Robot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EAnKicMm,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2016-08-24T20:33:50.654+0000)

It's mainly an issue for high elo players, though.

Not sure if I agree with this statement exactly. High ELO players have greater self sufficiency than low ELO players.

SnowplosionAug 24, 20161 votes

If I'm right there are two ladders for bronze to plat. You can choose DQ or PURE SQ. You can climb to diamond using either, but once in diamond it is only SQ. You can not freely switch from DQ to SQ or SQ to DQ. You will drop a couple divisions as a penalty for switching. So the people who ever want to play with their friends (about half) have to choose DQ or face the penalty, and people who don't care about ranked with their friends or don't play with friends (the other half) will choose SQ.

That's what I heard at least...

Michael702Aug 25, 201618 votes

It's still DQ from bronze to plat. But instead of emblems showing your preference, it will be borders. They're basically trying to confuse us. They will have something called solo queue and something called dynamic queue but they are both dynamic queue. People that choose SQ will still play with/against premades. They have been trying to confuse people since they released DQ. That's why they released DQ the same time as role selection. So people would think they are the same thing.

SnowplosionAug 25, 20166 votes

This guy knows more... Shit.

Well take my upvote for a better explanation.

redfeenixAug 25, 20164 votes

Ohh wtf thsts still bullshit.

Solo Q in name only ? But it's still DQ with a false advertising of solo ?? Thsts really fucked up

9001TeemosAug 25, 201615 votes

Dynamic queue doesn't work ~~in high elo~~ FTFY, Riot

CerealBoxOfDoomAug 24, 201614 votes

when did riot say it works or high elo???

High elo is where all the trouble has been, low elo has had many of its issues solved

Remlap1223Aug 25, 20165 votes

Shhh, don't disturb the upvote farming.

ModAttysu The PoroAug 27, 20162 votes

^ agreed lmao

rtbf225618241Aug 24, 20169 votes

i think you might wanna look up what "deceit" actually means. It would've been pretty ridiculous to come up with these changes in a short amount of time. Especially with all the other stuff on their backs. You're implying that they didn't change things intentionally.

AHeroNamedHawkeAug 24, 201610 votes

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i think you might wanna look up what "deceit" actually means. It would've been pretty ridiculous to come up with these changes in a short amount of time. Especially with all the other stuff on their backs. You're implying that they didn't change things intentionally.

Rigged surveys with no context to make the decision look good, while constantly reassuring us that "changes were being made", "solo queue will be back soon" and "a large portion of the playerbase supports this"

It isn't ridiculous to come up with changes in a short amount of time, because they already had a functional ladder in place, but removed it

rtbf225618241Aug 25, 20164 votes

Rigged surveys with no context to make the decision look good, while constantly reassuring us that "changes were being made", "solo queue will be back soon" and "a large portion of the playerbase supports this"

First of all, that first thing you said, supports my point. You said it made the decision to bring DynamicQ bad which would Support my point that Riot wasn't deceiving anyone. Hypothetically speaking. Just saying that sentence made no sense there.

Second, while i personally agree that maybe Riot was trying to make it look less bad, you can't blame them for it. What, should they have just said "Yeah, we don't know what to do right now, you're gonna have to make through it this Season." and not keep people's hopes up? They did for a long time, but seeing as people started to panic about the future of SoloQ, they told us they're re-iterating the Ranked expierence.

And this new solution is pretty damn good in my opinion.

It isn't ridiculous to come up with changes in a short amount of time, because they already had a functional ladder in place, but removed it.

Third, that last thing has no context behind it. They removed SoloQ because they thought DynamicQ would succeed without impacting the integrity of Ranked too harshly. I bet they knew that the premades would "ruin" the expierence but already had plans ready to match them with other premades. And to be honest, this new solution seems fairly universal and welcoming for all Ranked players and it wouldn't have been possible without this..DynamicQ fiasco. If you're really complaining as much about DynamicQ, then you don't deserve your rank in the first place since as a Solo player, i rarely met premades larger than 2 in my expierence.

Honestly, you're just trying to rub it in their faces now.

CaptnJakSparrowAug 25, 20166 votes

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First of all, that first thing you said, supports my point. You said it made the decision to bring DynamicQ bad which would Support my point that Riot wasn't deceiving anyone. Hypothetically speaking. Just saying that sentence made no sense there.

Second, while i personally agree that maybe Riot was trying to make it look less bad, you can't blame them for it. What, should they have just said "Yeah, we don't know what to do right now, you're gonna have to make through it this Season." and not keep people's hopes up? They did for a long time, but seeing as people started to panic about the future of SoloQ, they told us they're re-iterating the Ranked expierence.

And this new solution is pretty damn good in my opinion.

Third, that last thing has no context behind it. They removed SoloQ because they thought DynamicQ would succeed without impacting the integrity of Ranked too harshly. I bet they knew that the premades would "ruin" the expierence but already had plans ready to match them with other premades. And to be honest, this new solution seems fairly universal and welcoming for all Ranked players and it wouldn't have been possible without this..DynamicQ fiasco. If you're really complaining as much about DynamicQ, then you don't deserve your rank in the first place since as a Solo player, i rarely met premades larger than 2 in my expierence.

Honestly, you're just trying to rub it in their faces now.

Why wouldn't he?

Riot Lyte basically said, "You're wrong, fuck off." And then left it at that.

Meanwhile, everyone in their upper ELOS were actually very much right. They did the same thing they always do.

Go, "You're just players, you know nothing of game design, or balance. I've been doing this for years. I'm right. You're wrong." #Morello. He still has yet to apologize for calling people morons for questioning Katarina's shunpo interaction with killer instincts back in S1.

They also did rig the statistics. And they still did with the latest one too. They show you the statistics they want you to see. Not the ones that are actually most frequent and most problematic.

I.E the trimade vs solo team and its glorious 70+ % winrate in D+ This is the most common match up in D+ and it's also the most one sided. They refused to show this statistic specifically because of that.

They did nothing but lie this entire season, and also talked down to their playerbase ((Including the really high playerbase.)) for the entire year. Ruined the pro scenes practicing abilities. Made scripting go hilariously out of control. Made boosting more than just an infrequent nuisance, but an actual every other game problem. Made every single mmr horribly inconsistent because nobody wants to play in D+ because ofhow terrible it is so they so all smurf and ruin everyone elses games.

In all honesty, if they weren't a ridiculously popular game, they would have went out of business this season, and I'd argue that their numbers are dangerously close to showing that they're on a one way track to that reality.

Charles is more than deserving to smack talk them. IF anything, they should personally force Riot Lyte over here to apologize. But he's also their scapegoat. So, you know. I highly doubt this was strictly Riot Lyte's work, and they fired him to make him look like the 100% problem when it was obviously a group effort.

rtbf225618241Aug 25, 20163 votes

Except that everyone, including Riot agreed on the fact that high elo matchmaking was fucked. When did Lyte say what you just did? I don't recall that happening.

Go, "You're just players, you know nothing of game design, or balance. I've been doing this for years. I'm right. You're wrong." #Morello.

And you bring a S1 comparison when League was in baby-shoes? Are you kidding me? If you look at the balancing up to Season 3, you'd notice some ridiculous shit. Even in Season 4.

No proof on the statistics part. I could call these claims as much out on it's bullshit as you are with the same amount of proof - none.

I haven't met a single Trio-queue since it's release. No, seriously. Except for the times when i was in a Trio-Queue or higher.

The only lie i do agree on is that they didn't bring back SoloQ like they said they would. I don't know anything about them "talking down to their playerbase" so bring an example or i'm just going to say, you're exaggerating again.

You're complaining abuot boosting? That's been around since the beginning. That's literally luck if you get matched with someone that's boosting someone else, That "someone else" is actually making it harder because the MMR raises a lot if you Duo with someone. Even more if you team up with 2 or 3 other people and you can't keep up cuz you're getting tougher opponents.

"Ruined the pro scene's practicing abilities." How? They practice as 5. Nothing changed there.

You're exaggerating again and complaining about things in the past. Do you practice this in front of the mirror every day?

Maybe give context on how Lyte did something? And not with your own biased as hell words but with sources i can actually rely on? I know he lead the design changes but you have yet to present any proof apart from random trashtalk and expect me to believe it.

CaptnJakSparrowAug 25, 20164 votes

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Except that everyone, including Riot agreed on the fact that high elo matchmaking was fucked. When did Lyte say what you just did? I don't recall that happening.

And you bring a S1 comparison when League was in baby-shoes? Are you kidding me? If you look at the balancing up to Season 3, you'd notice some ridiculous shit. Even in Season 4.

No proof on the statistics part. I could call these claims as much out on it's bullshit as you are with the same amount of proof - none.

I haven't met a single Trio-queue since it's release. No, seriously. Except for the times when i was in a Trio-Queue or higher.

The only lie i do agree on is that they didn't bring back SoloQ like they said they would. I don't know anything about them "talking down to their playerbase" so bring an example or i'm just going to say, you're exaggerating again.

You're complaining abuot boosting? That's been around since the beginning. That's literally luck if you get matched with someone that's boosting someone else, That "someone else" is actually making it harder because the MMR raises a lot if you Duo with someone. Even more if you team up with 2 or 3 other people and you can't keep up cuz you're getting tougher opponents.

"Ruined the pro scene's practicing abilities." How? They practice as 5. Nothing changed there.

You're exaggerating again and complaining about things in the past. Do you practice this in front of the mirror every day?

Maybe give context on how Lyte did something? And not with your own biased as hell words but with sources i can actually rely on? I know he lead the design changes but you have yet to present any proof apart from random trashtalk and expect me to believe it.

"Except that everyone, including Riot agreed on the fact that high elo matchmaking was fucked. When did Lyte say what you just did? I don't recall that happening."

It's literally in the link lol.

"No proof on the statistics part. I could call these claims as much out on it's bullshit as you are with the same amount of proof - none."

Someone, actually in GPB, found the statistics and shared them with everyone. If you want to find it go dig for it, but it is there.

"I haven't met a single Trio-queue since it's release. No, seriously. Except for the times when i was in a Trio-Queue or higher."

That must be really nice. I'm glad for you. I run into them regularly, and so do a lot of other people. It was literally a running gag with a few of my friends who trio queued and called it the "easiest faceroll in their life." And it is, because trio queues will often fight a soloqueue team. Especially if you intentionally queue at specific times. For example:

Once it gets around 10-12 pm here ((Nebraska USA)) all the d1+ smurfs log on. All the scripters log on. All the people about ready to decay at midnight log on. And it gets absolutely retarded. Then they do their stuff. Then around 4 am it's completely fucking dead and you can trio queue and the odds of you fighting an actual premade will be insanely low. It's also pretty low fighting a trimade as another trimade around the 11-3 pm schedule when a lot of people are in school/work. You use all these to your advantage and the system becomes very screw.

"Ruined the pro scene's practicing abilities." How? They practice as 5. Nothing changed there."

They pretty much forced the pro scene to be required to play on the tournament server which also inhibited them from streaming + doing other things. It's the only way they could queue as 5.

So, if they wanted to practice playing competitively, they literally had to cease making revenue. That's pretty fucked up. There's vods all over youtube bitching about it if you want to wander around in there. And I hate to say, some of them simply couldn't afford to do that, which means less practice for them, and overall less scrims. It's one of the many reasons a lot of them played like absolute dog shit this season.

"You're complaining abuot boosting? That's been around since the beginning. That's literally luck if you get matched with someone that's boosting someone else, That "someone else" is actually making it harder because the MMR raises a lot if you Duo with someone. Even more if you team up with 2 or 3 other people and you can't keep up cuz you're getting tougher opponents."

Have you . . . even remotely close looked at the Korea challenger scene? I'll give you a big fucking hint. There isn't one. Do you know why?

"You're complaining abuot boosting?"

Do you think those players boosting play fairly? I mean really sit back and think about this. Nobody gives a fuck about the challenger/master/diamond 1 scene because it's all shit now thanks to what they did. So, what do you think these players did? They started boosting. Riot banned their main accounts. They have literally nothing to lose. So, what do you think they did? They bought a bunch of level 30 accounts, grabbed some bots that keep spamming them up to 30. Slapped every single script they possibly could on, and then grinded as duo/trios up the ladder. They'd then sell the accounts and jump on the next ones. And the next ones. The challenger ladder is so full of scripters right now that actual challenger players in Korea are sitting in D3. Let that fucking sink in for a moment.

Before this season, the rate that this could be done, and how effective it was, was nowhere near as bad as the current season. Even the pros are actually starting to sit the fuck down and go "this isn't just lulz anymore, this is an extreme fucking issue." Last Shadow has even been tasked by the Korea Riot to find every single scripter in that mmr and jot them down/record them because Riot can't even keep up with it anymore.

So yeah, I'm going to fucking complain about it.

Thank you and have a good day.

rtbf225618241Aug 25, 20162 votes

What link??

Yeah, i know what statistics you're talking about, i'm asking for proof that they're fake or false.

What? There's no such thing as scheduled fucking Diamond log-in times or Premade queue up times. Just your own bad luck and you're blaming it on the system which is definetly nothing new i've encountered before. Like seriously, you expect me to believe that "Premade 3-s log in at these times" like seriously, what the actual hell? That's a super-farfetched claim and if you're so scared of playing then pick another time. Even by that logic you could avoid it.

And...how did this take away their playing as 5 abilities? Streaming and social media isn't exactly nessecary to practice. Also, don't they make money from things such as tournament prizes? Like honestly, that Tournament server bs lasted for a few weeks at best until it was changed back around.

And...any proof? You're basically spewing random crap with no proof and i have no reason to believe such ridiculous ranting at all. I'm Diamond myself and i've seen high tier players play, sure some suck but that's relative to someone else ofcourse.

You remind me one of those conspiracy theorists who take small pieces of irrelevant things and push it together to form one big pile of bullshit and then throw it at everyone.

The competitive scene hasn't lost a shred of it's integrity, nothing's changed there. Below Mid-Platinum, DynamicQ didn't even influence anyone and you're just mad over nothing cuz you can't get over your pride, obviously. And now you're angry even when they said they're changing things. Like how immature can you get?

LirikAug 25, 20164 votes

lol hey, Quote from Riot in the start of season 6 "solo queue is making a come back as solo only in a few weeks" lol 8 months later and yes you are totaly right rigged surveys alot of bad wording to make sure we don't understand they were actualy lying (alot of sheeps who think riot is god and will bring them into paradise) so yeah here we are soloQ is back for 1.88% of us .... look like we gonna keep fighting for the 98.12% of us who still don't have soloQ

i am still refusing to play a ranked game and still refusing to buy RP till 100% of us have soloQ #fuckyouriot

SlythionAug 24, 20168 votes

League Community: gives Riot hell for ruining ranked

Riot: makes ranked slightly better

League Community: "HAHA RITO IZ SO DUM SEE GUYS WE WERE RIGHT HAHAHAHAHA FUCKING RIOT GIVE IT ALL TO US YOU'RE SO STOOPID LETS GLOAT ABOUT EVERYTHING INSTEAD OF THANKING RIOT AND BEING DECENT HUMAN BEINGS"

The Boards (and you) in a nutshell

Edit: And for the record, I support solo queue 100%, just not the dignified asses that like to beat dead horses instead of acknowledging steps in the right direction

VivaLaKittenAug 24, 20163 votes

prepare to get downvoted for going against the hostile mob mentality of most Solo Q supporters :P

SlythionAug 24, 20167 votes

Idc, I support Solo Queue 100%

I just don't support those who feel the need to be an ass when they are right nor care about the mindless mob-mentality the boards have become

VivaLaKittenAug 24, 20162 votes

same :D I don't care if I'm downvoted to oblivion what I do care about is when people bully someone else just because they don't like what theyre saying

AHeroNamedHawkeAug 24, 201616 votes

{quoted}

League Community: gives Riot hell for taking ruining ranked

Riot: makes ranked slightly better

League Community: "HAHA RITO IZ SO DUM SEE GUYS WE WERE RIGHT HAHAHAHAHA FUCKING RIOT GIVE IT ALL TO US YOU'RE SO STOOPID LETS GLOAT ABOUT EVERYTHING INSTEAD OF THANKING RIOT AND BEING DECENT HUMAN BEINGS"

The Boards (and you) in a nutshell

THE ENTIRE HIGH ELO COMMUNITY SAID NOT TO DO THIS

An entire fucking year later, after countless threads and lengthy arguments from a myriad of players, with a huge amount of data against them, you want me to be grateful?

Would you forgive someone for burning your house down because they rebuilt a smaller one after 11 months?

SlythionAug 24, 201610 votes

No but I would thank them for making the effort to remedy their mistake. You don't have to like someone to be thankful for them doing a good thing

You can be as salty as you want about previous actions by riot, but to be an ass when they are clearly working it out seems extremely counterproductive

Bottom line is, you took Riot's positive action that benefited the league community and turned it into a platform for further toxic behavior to beat a dead horse to satisfy your petty emotions about the past. You were actually counterproductive to your "goal" of returning solo queue to all elos

ModAttysu The PoroAug 24, 20164 votes

Agreed ^

btw I feel like I'm the only solo player who likes dq .-.

RamelznakAug 24, 20162 votes

I think many people don't hate DQ, they hate ONLY having DQ. At least that's how I feel.

ModAttysu The PoroAug 24, 20164 votes

I can understand I suppose, but Riot's trying, people refuse to believe that, and THAT'S what annoys me.

Dextix LTAug 25, 20163 votes

If they were trying they would not have implemented this shit system while removing soloq all together. But they did. They wont get any gratitude for fixing the shit they fucked up themselves, that should be a given.

ModAttysu The PoroAug 27, 20161 votes

No changes or anything when people were quite clearly complaining about Soloq? o.o

Michael702Aug 26, 20161 votes

I hate DQ. I hate having to play against premades. I hate playing with premades. I hated my last game of League. I was in my series to plat (for the 3rd time). They had a 3-man premade versus our solo team. Their plat 2 Akali laned against our gold 3 Yasuo. Needless to say, we lost and we lost hard.

Yes, I hate DQ and the matchmaking it brings with it.

RamelznakAug 27, 20161 votes

Fair enough, I've had my share of games like that, going both ways. I wouldn't care about DQ it I could play in a true solo Q when I choose to do so.

Electro522Aug 25, 20162 votes

Same here. Everyone is complaining that playing with a 4 man prepare sucks, but I have yet to see one. Sure, lower elos have millions of more players than higher elos, but I can't ever add something to these arguments because even duos are a rarity.

If I ever get thrown into playing with a 4 man, I'm just gonna play my best as usual. If they start harassing me, there's always the mute button. And, I actually have a greater chance of being carried because (presumably) 4/5ths of my team has better communication with each other. So,so be it.

SlythionAug 25, 20162 votes

I play against (and with) duos/trios quite frequently. 4-mans are uncommon but definitely not unheard of for me...and yes, I hate it.

I usually go solo/duo in ranked, with rarely a trio but never any more than that. I may use 4-5man premades in norms but you've always been able to do that, as you should. No one hated DQ in norms because they are meant to play with friends, it's ranked where DQ screws things up

ModAttysu The PoroAug 27, 20162 votes

I play ranked DQ as a 4 man, and we always treat the solo with respect too. Just like anything, in peoples minds, the bad overweights the good in our brains. Some peoples experience could be super bad all the time, not denying that, but it's really not that bad, at least from me/my friends opinions.

SlythionAug 28, 20161 votes

While it's great that you treat solo player with respect, and I hope you continue doing so, there are still factors that are unaddressed

With all due respect, a solo player is still left out no matter how nice the 4man is. The simple fact that you guys can communicate what you're doing in an instant is a vital advantage that Riot unfortunately feels can be compensated by simply facing you against players of slightly higher mmr, and chances are when you get to use that advantage there really isn't time to bring that 5th member in through chat so you he's left to simply react to your guy's actions.

Not to mention that you're singular group is a very small sample size to form an opinion on this subject. You have to remember we are still talking about the league community, very few are truly as nice as your group are yaknow? Combine that with intentionally alienating a single member of your team and there is bound to be a greater focus of toxicity targeted at the alienated player, you simply can't help it.

BeMyFriendPleaseAug 25, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Charles Barklius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EAnKicMm,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2016-08-24T21:07:58.548+0000)

THE ENTIRE HIGH ELO COMMUNITY SAID NOT TO DO THIS

An entire fucking year later, after countless threads and lengthy arguments from a myriad of players, with a huge amount of data against them, you want me to be grateful?

Would you forgive someone for burning your house down because they rebuilt a smaller one after 11 months?

More akin to burning a neighborhood down but only building a house for the richest family and telling the rest they're fine

CherysseAug 24, 20167 votes

DQ doesn't work in general...

By this I mean the 4 man premades and 3 man premade, solos and duos are ok, if you want teamplay then just update the team ranks for buddas sake.

LirikAug 24, 20166 votes

LOL Rito are so dumb its just crazy, they been in denial mode all year long just to turn back the whole thing for high elo next step will be turning back the whole thing for low elo as well they just do it slowly so it doesnt look like they were worng hahahaha

ZettoAug 24, 20165 votes

riot says "hey this isn't working so we're reverting it"

"Lol they don't wanna admit DQ didn't work even though they literally just said "hey this shit doesn't work"" - You

AHeroNamedHawkeAug 24, 201610 votes

{quoted}

riot says "hey this isn't working so we're reverting it"

"Lol they don't wanna admit DQ didn't work even though they literally just said "hey this shit doesn't work"" - You

They didn't want to admit it, for the last year. Hence why that post was dated for 10 months ago

The point is that Riot shouldn't assume they automatically know better than the playerbase, the line of thinking that got Lyte fired and ruined ranked for all of season 6

ZettoAug 24, 20162 votes

Be that as it may, can you really blame them for not wanting to admit it didn't work? By the time it was released to the playerbase rito had most likely poured enough resources into it that NOT at least implementing it for some time on live servers would be a massive waste. On top of that, during the initial shitstorm there were in fact things for rito to improve upon, which they did. It's unfair and irrational to expect rito to trash something that they've sunk a significant chunk of funds into when they haven't even tested on live servers or optimized. Also, regarding the playerbase vs creator debacle, I'd like to point out that somtimes frankly rito does know better than the playerbase. Most of the playerbase doesn't even understand how MR and armor works. Remember the whole Taliyah W (or was it E? Frankly I don't remember) petitions worked up by the boards to get rito to change how her W (or E, once again) worked? They listened, and immediately after there were more shitstorms asking for it to be changed back. Does that mean that rito should never take the playerbase into account? No, of course not. But frankly if riot had stuck to the way the playerbase wanted this game to be, League probably would have died a good long time ago. (edit) Also, to be frank, I think deceit is probably the wrong word to use here. Its not like they've been lying about this. Once they'd gone through their bag of options to optimize and improve the system they pretty much came out and said that DQ wasn't cutting it. They said it at the roundtable, and if I remember correctly even before that. Also for clarity I was referring to Lirik, not you specifically.

Dextix LTAug 25, 20162 votes

Sunk cost fallacy. It is not a good thing. The things you are talking about, listening to the playerbase, these things are discussed not in all elos. DQ was discussed in almost all elos, from pros to bronze players.

They lied about bringing back soloq because they knew DQ would never beat it.

You can polish a turd, it will still remain a turd, DQ is an inherently failed system.

ZettoAug 25, 20161 votes

Once again, rito has straight up said that DQ has not been cutting it. Like, THEY SAID THAT IT WASNT WORKING. THEY THEMSELVES SAID THAT. Also, the whole bringing back solo-q thing wasn't a lie. A miscommunication maybe, but considering that it was entirely unintended, and merely a result of some poor planning and communication within rito, and that they did in fact intend to bring it back, only to be unable to, it isn't really fair to say that they lied, as if they planned this whole thing up just to make Solo-q devotees cry. Also, how does the sunk cost fallacy come into play here? I'm afraid I don't follow.

Dextix LTAug 25, 20162 votes

Just because you poured a lot of money into something, does not mean its good and that it should be released, or that you should spend even more resources on it.

And yes, they said DQ is not cutting it, after how long? And after how many times stating that it is such a good system that almost everyone likes?

And yes, bringing back soloq was a lie. If it was not, where is it? How are they unable to bring back a system that they had for so many years. The system was still there, they could have and still can implement it (As exeplified by the current state of things) but they did not.

Also, if it was really miscommunication, why did it take them so long to announce that soloq was not going to be back? Why did we have statements saying that it will come back and then even more statements that it is just delayed?

No they did not plan not bringing soloq to mnake us cry. They did it because they knew from the start that soloq is a better system and that in a free market people would choose soloq over dynamic. That is why they delayed soloq until they said that they will not bring it back.

Very Hard EngageAug 25, 20166 votes

promises to make the game more competitive

still wont bring back solo queue

eastcoastblazeAug 25, 20163 votes

We fucking did it boys. We did it

Somewhere harambe shed a single tear of joy

daemonthaneAug 25, 20162 votes

I hope it's worth it when only the top small % are putting their equally small $ into the fading company, and only the same small % give a flip about the fading "e-sport"...... congratulations on becoming the NEW heroes of newerth, roflcopter.