Cancel Bottom tier Player's Seasons.

Matthew100x·May 29, 2015·1 votes·1,653 views

Hello guy and today i will be discussing about potientially ending a player's season. What i mean by this is end the player's ability to play ranked for the remainder of the season.

The reason why i am asking this is because i'm getting tired of being stuck in bottem tier bronze, now before you go off an say oh its your fault your in bronze. Let me start by saying i was silver 5 last season, got 5 wons and losses on my promos, and ended up in bronze 5. Now i've been in and out of bronze 4 three times now and i've come to realize that something needs to be done about the players on the team.

Before i continue any further I have to say another thing must be changed, player's behavior towards bronze. I am sick and tired of bronze players being picked on, i play on par with silver and golds, not all of us are bad. Yeah we have our off moments but we all do. This culture of "It's your fault your in bronze" must stop, their are many good players in bronze who play consistent. I will be my own referance, http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=matthew100x notice how when alot of my games i go positive even when i lose. The times i got negative i want you to look at my teams scores. I know i have stuff to improve on from mechanics to cs, but i'm leagues beyond my teammates. So stop blaming me and stop blaming bronze in general, it ain't helping.

To reiterate my thesis, i suggest that players on the bottom of their respective tiers should be barred from playing ranked.

Requirements to get this applied to you are as follows:

Being stuck on the bottem of a tier without change, ex B5, S5, G5, as they act as a safety net.
Doing terrible for many games in a row.
Being reported multiple times for unskilled.
Being punished for afk, feeding, or refusing to work with team (not necessarily toxicity)

Once these a few of these requirements are met a message tells the player that they are up for probation on their season and have to play a series. If they lose their series they will not be able to play ranked for the rest of the season.

This is to get rid of terrible players who are keeping good players stuck on the bottom. There are many players who don't belong where they are and i believe this would be a good way to start sorting this out.

42 Comments

MasterPranksterMay 30, 20157 votes

This is a horrible idea.

Sorry i'm usually not so blunt but it really is. You are going to ask riot to RUIN other people's experience in a game that they have devoted alot of time into, just because YOU THINK that YOU are better than them?

That is extremely selfish.

Matthew100xMay 30, 20151 votes

Many of my games are ruined by trolls and those who are like me know and agree with me, its hard to explain to someone outside of bronze but things need to change in it.

ProvengreilMay 30, 20151 votes

Those that are like you are also bronze and gerenally dismissed as ragers, flamers, etc by everyone else.

iKrapMay 30, 20151 votes

Its not impossible to get out, you still have a few things to work on (that you mentioned above in your original post) and there are more things that apply to winning a game outside of your end game stats. Can you call plays? Do you know when to push objectives? Do you ward?

Nearly every single game you have on the link you provided you have failed to upgrade your trinket. In fact, in the last 10 games total you have only bought 3 wards. Please, explain to me how you are helping your team at all.

Out of your top 7 most played champions in season 5, you have an average below 100 cs per game with them. Please explain to me how you don't belong in bronze.

Your builds look... fine.. I guess.. they could use some improvement, but I wouldn't think that's what's holding you back.

See, I can see where you are coming from on part of your issue. It must be extremely frustrating to have such a large amount of kills in a game, and lose to a lane feeding or a few teammates throwing the game. Welcome to league of legends, it happens in all leagues, it happens in normal, and I'm sure there has been a few times where its happened in Co-Op vs AI. Come to think of it, it happens in pretty much every multiplayer game I have ever played, from Golden Eye to present date.

You even have a few of those games yourself... How did your team feel when you were 0/10 as Elise jg? Did they comment on the fact that you had no tank?

In the end, its nearly impossible to get stuck, progress can be slowed, there can be setbacks, but getting stuck just doesn't happen. That's been proven by everyone of us that has carried ourselves out. Everyone of us that's made a new account, hit 30, hit bronze, and carried out again at will. It doesn't take a pro to do it, it just takes mechanics. When you mechanically hit that point, you will be here, explaining to another bronze 5 self-proclaimed "moba god" how easy it really is.

Until then, o7

ChargeItDownMidMay 29, 20154 votes

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The Bearded BardMay 30, 20151 votes

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I don't think you understand how the ranked system works. Players being "stuck" at the bottom of a division is an illusion created by the lp system. In reality, there i no "safty net" in place for their mmr, their mmr will continue to fall if they keep losing. A silver 5 player, for example, will have his or her mmr fall into mid bronze if they continue to play poorly and get matched with progressively worse players until they stop losing. A bronze 5 players will have their mmr continue to fall until they are on salty teemo level mmr. These players are not actually keeping good players down because they aren't being matched with good players. Instead, they are getting matched with progressively shittier players until they stop feeding.

Excellent description of how ranked works. This guy knows what's up. As for the OP, you realize your idea would ban you from ranked right?

I'd also like to point out that the community's attitude towards low elo players isn't entirely unwarranted. It's not just that they're bad at the game, it's that they refuse to learn or take advice from players that are better. The majority of the ones I've seen don't make any effort to improve. They just keep slamming headfirst into the wall and hoping that one day through sheer stupidity and perseverance that they will break through, but they won't. They'll continue to be bad until they seek to improve, not just to win.

Matthew100xMay 30, 20151 votes

Well i'm proud to say i'm not like that, i take advice seriously and i'm mentored by a diamond/plat player. While i'm nowhere near his level of play i've been able to win a few fights against him and improve my skill dramatically.

Matthew100xMay 30, 20151 votes

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Instead, they are getting matched with progressively shittier players until they stop feeding.

Here's the major issue, once your paired with those shitty players its impossible to get out.

ChargeItDownMidMay 30, 20152 votes

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ProvengreilMay 30, 20151 votes

Salty teemo averages like 750 ELO IIRC.

OP.gg Puts this guy's at like 500.

Zen FuryMay 30, 20151 votes

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Here's the major issue, once your paired with those shitty players its impossible to get out.

Wait, what? If you can't carry vs. crap players then you're where you belong. Countless high level players have easily carried themselves from Cardboard V back up to Diamond.

ProvengreilMay 30, 20153 votes

so you keep falling back to bronze 5 and your plan is to permaban people who can't progress? why not just uninstall the game and save some time?

Matthew100xMay 30, 20151 votes

No, the plan is to remove people from playing ranked who clearly lack the ability to play the game, not ban them. They just won't be able to play ranked.

ProvengreilMay 30, 20151 votes

And again, this appears to apply to yourself. but instead of assigning this system to yourself and heading for normals in shame, you play on in ranked and (sort of) ask for help. why do others not get that chance in your eyes?

Matthew100xMay 30, 20151 votes

Because more often than not i have feeders on my teams.

ProvengreilMay 30, 20151 votes

OK, now I just straight don't believe you. I know such things happen, but the "more often than not" suggests to me you don't even know what a feeder is.

Tell you what. To truly improve, everyone needs some practice on specific things, often their weakest points. Mine are early aggression in general, CSing with Anivia, and a more accurate assessment of the enemy jungler's location.

To practice such things, I can focus them one at a time, in these ways: -play a few normals and go ham whenever I think I can win a trade or even just go even. Helps me learn what my champ's limits are. -Custom games that I quit at like 6 minutes. aiming for no abilities used and about 45 CS. -Normals as a counterjungler, usually nunu. If you're good at nunu, it usually means you're good at making the enemy jungler worthless, meaning you've successfully followed his location.

Here is an exercise you can do even in ranked: -Do not leave the post game lobby until you can successfully name one specific time in which each ally did something well.

once you get used to complimenting them, even in your head, do it in chat, in real time. Until you watch it happen you really will not believe what even a simple "awesome grab, blitz" can do to an entire team. This goes double for buff supports(think soraka, sona, maybe taric) as even their most amazing plays are typically let pass without comment.

LucentileMay 30, 20152 votes

So, I decided to scroll through your match history, since you invited us to. Here's the first thing I notice. Don't worry, it is something I'm guilty of to: I barely see ANY upgraded trinkets. I see no sweepers, even on junglers. The most recent Corki game that you won? You only placed 5 wards. You have good runes and mastery pages, but you still died 10 times. For your next couple of games, try focusing on helping with vision more and upgrade your trinket earlier. You seem to have decent-ish game knowledge, you just need to execute better map control.

Matthew100xMay 30, 20152 votes

Thank you for the useful comments, i know i have mechanics i need to work on and their are things i'm improving myself on every game. I also thank you to take the time to read this and put a thoughtful comment into this topic.

BluePolarizerMay 30, 20151 votes

his game knowledge is terrible. Builds is memorizing facts - real game knowledge comes from strategy. When do I splitpush, when do I group, should I even be farming, when can we do objectives, what objectives are doable, what are the relative values in game, right now, of these objectives. If the OP knew even half of these he would already be gold.

LucentileMay 30, 20151 votes

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his game knowledge is terrible. Builds is memorizing facts - real game knowledge comes from strategy. When do I splitpush, when do I group, should I even be farming, when can we do objectives, what objectives are doable, what are the relative values in game, right now, of these objectives. If the OP knew even half of these he would already be gold.

Compared to the people who take Runic Bulwark or whatever the mastery is or have rune pages that are things like scaling MP Regen on characters with no mana -- common things I see when looking at my fellow Bronzies runes/masteries, his knowledge is good. It's comparative to where he is, not to the best of the best. His execution may need work, and I pointed out the big one I could see just from the match history page.

BluePolarizerMay 30, 20151 votes

There is strategy even in bronze. Lets say you fed a Riven 0-3. Should you even stay in lane? Answer: no, you should get other lanes ahead by ganking, deny Riven any more gold, sacrifice top tower, and then after you get other lanes ahead and sacrificed top tower, you freeze at 2nd tower. Top loses 0v1, rest of the team wins 5v4.

Typical bronze: "I'm top I'm gonna hard carry, Riven OP got lucky trash champ, gonna try to fight her for the 4th time cuz she doesn't really snowball that hard"

Matthew100xMay 30, 20151 votes

In a case like that i would stick under turret and attempt to punish riven hard if she makes an attack.

BluePolarizerMay 30, 20151 votes

that's the incorrect response, because once Riven freefarms enough she can dive you, but if you get your other lanes ahead, they can shut her down in teamfights.

Matthew100xMay 30, 20151 votes

Dodging her abilities isn't that hard...

BluePolarizerMay 30, 20151 votes

You are not as good as you think you are and YOU might be the ones getting banned under your system.

Its just like those idiot golds and low plats that think they're good and want a diamonds only balance board. Why do you want a board that you can't even post in?

Matthew100xMay 30, 20151 votes

Well i've been going back and forth between bronze 5 and 4 so i wouldn't get removed from ranked play under the idea that i have.

Matthew100xMay 30, 20151 votes

Well if i'm the only one going positive on a team that is feeding..... I get what you're saying and how KD doesn't matter, but having less deaths is better then having more.

BluePolarizerMay 30, 20151 votes

Some games are unwinnable, but if they approach 50% of your games, then you need to improve.

Matthew100xMay 30, 20151 votes

Its right now floating around 50%-60% for the last 20 games, and yes i know their are things i can work on, but theirs only so much i can do when my luck is getting me games that are unwinnable.

atomicwitMay 30, 20151 votes

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry

The Bearded BardMay 30, 20151 votes

To put it into perspective, I've got rl friends that are absolute trash at this game and yeah, there are some games I can't carry with them on it, but most of the time I can because the enemy team is usually just as bad. That's how it should be in your games if you're truly better than the people you're playing with.

Matthew100xMay 30, 20151 votes

I do, the issue usually ends up being i can't carry at the late game carry and get caught out and killed. Though i'm working on things as best i can.

ProvengreilMay 30, 20151 votes

Try warding.

seriously, your wardscore is shit, like 13%. You play a lot of jungle and top. in top, upgrade your trinket at level 9, and then NEVER HAVE A WARD READY TO DROP. I don't even care where you put them, it doesn't matter yet. get in the habit of using it at all. in jungle, buy a sightstone and any time you think it's time to take baon/dragon/a tower, drop 3 wards near it so you have forewarning. Again, placement isn't half as important right now as being in the habit to use them.

FooDangMay 30, 20151 votes

Instead of blaming your team you should just try and get better at the game and carry yourself out.

Matthew100xMay 30, 20151 votes

Oh wow, another unoriginal comment. Thank you, i didn't know its my fault that me being ahead kills and behind in deaths compared to the rest of my team and then losing because of a bad team fight that wasn't initiated by me. Thank you it makes so much sense since i can obviously control the flow of the game since i'm faker.

FooDangMay 30, 20151 votes

Your K/D/A doesn't say much on gameplay. Your cs and item builds give more information. Try and get better at the game Instead of blaming your teamates.

Matthew100xMay 30, 20151 votes

In bronze it says leagues..... trying to minimize death is extremely important but most people i encounter like to show off their feed. I can blame my teammates because the majority of the games i lose are where my teammates fed the enemies. You don't know because you obviously don't play in this elo but its a very bad situation where the literal garbage holds everyone back. I'm only so good and i can't carry a pile of elephant turd.

FooDangMay 30, 20151 votes

Thats why I said get better at the game till you can carry piles of elephant turds. I have RL friends that are bad at the game and climbed from b5 this season. You need a coach or something if you cant carry out of lower bronze. Maybe recording a game and posting it to get community feedback. There are probably many little things that you need to work on (cs being a big one). I'm certain with just a few tips you can get back to silver. Your k/d/a in some games shows you at least know how to stay alive. You just need to work on everything else.

Here's a tip: Don't worry about your team's gameplay. You can't control their skill level. You can only control yourself. If your not snowballing almost every game then your roughly playing against players of equal skill.

ProvengreilMay 30, 20151 votes

in bronze it actually says a ton, but not how you sem to think. My average KDA is decent, eyeballing it at about 4.2, as high as 5.2 on Anivia. I started this season in bronze 3, not far from where you are, so it is possible to do in the chaos.

Yours is about 2.7 with a variance of about .2, regardless of champs (I even ignored fizz and rengar for this, since those guys have terrible win rates for you). I can actually make a judgement based on your champ selections, win rate per champ, and KDA though:

You have absolutely no idea what a good fight looks like before it starts. you only do well on champs that jump in, and facetank everything, and getting out alive is a luxury, but often not a necessity. Jarvan in particular can get away with this strat, and Darius barely functions if you do it any other way, and surprise, those are two of three champs that have a positive win rate. What this says to me is that you chase kills, start fights without vision on the enemy or awareness of your own team, and probably fight for no reason other than that the enemy is there. See my other comments on warding for help on that part.

ayNigerianPrinceMay 30, 20151 votes

{quoted}Let me start by saying i was silver 5 last season, got 5 wons and losses on my promos, and ended up in bronze 5.

I....dont...cant...what the fuck. Okay? So you ended up where you belonged? What's your point?

You keep saying people should stop saying "It's your fault your in bronze", but it's pretty clear from what you're saying, it is your fault your bronze.

{quoted}i play on par with silver and golds, not all of us are bad.

If this was true you wouldn't have a problem getting out of bronze. You literally have the perfect example of a stereotypical bronze player's mindset.

{quoted}notice how when alot of my games i go positive even when i lose.

I stopped reading there.

Matthew100xMay 30, 20151 votes

Typical i'm too good for this crap, you realize how impossible it is to carry when two out of three lanes are feeding right? Its my fault every game i lose, its so sterotypical of someone who doesn't even know the situation. Yet in 1v1s i've been able to beat both silver players and gold players. Its not my fault i can't beat three fed bronze players who focus me out because i'm carrying due to my team feeding them.

ayNigerianPrinceMay 30, 20151 votes

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Typical i'm too good for this crap, you realize how impossible it is to carry when two out of three lanes are feeding right? Its my fault every game i lose, its so sterotypical of someone who doesn't even know the situation. Yet in 1v1s i've been able to beat both silver players and gold players. Its not my fault i can't beat three fed bronze players who focus me out because i'm carrying due to my team feeding them.

1v1's don't mean shit. Just because you can outplay a silver (LOL), or gold player, doesn't mean you have their level of skill. There's much more to league than 1v1s. Grouping, warding, taking advantage to push, etc. Saying "yeah I belong in a better division because I can 1v1 silvers" is fucking stupid and I don't want to see that shot again. Sorry for being rude