Karma has no Karma

Matthew100x·Jul 18, 2015·3 votes·1,168 views

Rito..... i just got finshed with a game with a rumble top vs Karma. It wasn't bad early game, i forced her out of lane a few times and all was well. Then she got chalice of harmony and Athenes and well...... Lets just say i held up very well for the amount of damage she was doing. I went 1/2 that game, the only reason i got a kill was due to a gank, but the reason i had two deaths is because she literally beat my DPS as rumble. If i even tried to engage her at all with anything her spellsheild comes up instantly along with the point and click stun with the Q. >.> jesus i was lucky if i could even the trade. She got out of my ults and took no damage from my Q and ran away from me when things got bad for her. With Athene's mana regen and 20% cdr she legit spammed her Q. Could we please bring the old Karma back, this is a little hard to play against.

20 Comments

JustMyBassCannonJul 19, 20153 votes

It's taken how long for people to realize Karma's absolute terror against melee top-laners, once she has her mana?

ShuffledPancakeJul 18, 20152 votes

She doesn't have a spell shield 2.She doesn't have a point and click stun 3. if she did no dmg YOU werent playing right xD

Matthew100xJul 18, 20151 votes

Inspire RANGE: 800 COST: 60 / 65 / 70 / 75 / 80 MANA COOLDOWN: 10 / 9.5 / 9 / 8.5 / 8 Inspire ACTIVE: Karma shields a target ally for 4 seconds and grants them bonus movement speed for 1.5 seconds. SHIELD: 80 / 110 / 140 / 170 / 200 (+ 50% AP) BONUS MOVEMENT SPEED: 40 / 45 / 50 / 55 / 60%

My bad your right she has no spellshield, she has a regular Shield which is worse lol. I couldn't trade with her at all because of it.

The stun's tether with the was it attached itself to me felt point and clickish since it instantly happened, forcing me to cancel the trade to avoid the stun. Or if i wanted to continue the trade i could just take the damage from being stunned along with an empowered Q,

I can't rebuttal your last statement because i can't understand it, sorry.

CatastropJul 18, 20152 votes

She has no point and click stun so I'm at a loss there same goes for a spell shield. Also that was just a bad match up right there, if you had someone with a good gap closer, you would have been able to trade fairly well.

Matthew100xJul 18, 20151 votes

The line isn't it point and click? Anytime i got close to her the line came out for the stun and it felt as if it was point and click. Sure i had time to get away but then i lose the trade because her spellshield would absorb all the damage from my Q and she'd retaliate with her Q. Bad Matchup indeed, but i feel as if she'd be hard to kill no matter who i'm playing because of the way her abilities work.

3tysonJul 18, 20151 votes

Im a jg main because im a bad laner but if she has a close range stun something like xerath or cho would work ? Maybe ziggs

Matthew100xJul 18, 20151 votes

Yeah i understand, it was blind pick so i decided to ply some rumble, didn't expect Karma to be so strong so i'm just highlighting some of the areas i feel needs to be worked on.

ShuffledPancakeJul 18, 20151 votes

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Yeah i understand, it was blind pick so i decided to ply some rumble, didn't expect Karma to be so strong so i'm just highlighting some of the areas i feel needs to be worked on.

You got put into a bad situation - bad luck

3tysonJul 18, 20151 votes

Thing is counterpicking is huge in this game if you eliminate the counterpicking part from the game your playing a half game

CatastropJul 19, 20151 votes

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The line isn't it point and click? Anytime i got close to her the line came out for the stun and it felt as if it was point and click. Sure i had time to get away but then i lose the trade because her spellshield would absorb all the damage from my Q and she'd retaliate with her Q. Bad Matchup indeed, but i feel as if she'd be hard to kill no matter who i'm playing because of the way her abilities work.

Oh you meant her snare, yes that is point and click but it's her W, the Q is the projectile slow. And she is hard to kill especially when she build AP and already has Grail, then the shield comes up quite often. I know this because I play her a lot and I make it a habit to spam the shield on myself or allies when they engage, and it's hard to close gaps unless it's some form of dash or teleport due to her snare but she's quite easy if you can get up in her face and survive her RQ combo.

JoyconsJul 18, 20151 votes

Her stun is technically a "point and click" but you also need to stay in close range for it to stun at all.

Matthew100xJul 18, 20151 votes

Right, but that means i have to cancel the trade to try and escape her range, if i choose not to and stay where i am in my lane and continue the trade i take a good deal of damage from the stun and from the ability that he follows up with.

ShuffledPancakeJul 18, 20151 votes

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Right, but that means i have to cancel the trade to try and escape her range, if i choose not to and stay where i am in my lane and continue the trade i take a good deal of damage from the stun and from the ability that he follows up with.

Qss - zhonyas her stun - if she runs then leave her, out farm her kill her team - she cant defend 1 v 2

SukishooJul 18, 20151 votes

Yeah, it's a point/click but you can break the chain so she cannot root you. It will only root you at the end of the duration afterall.

Matthew100xJul 18, 20151 votes

(Copying and pasting to get different answers :P)

Moulin RougeJul 18, 20151 votes

She's a lane bully to short rangers and melee, what'd you expect. Play Ziggs/Lux/Xerath/Vel'koz against her and she's now cowering in fear.

Matthew100xJul 18, 20151 votes

This was the top Lane, i don't play those sorts of champions top :/

Nameless VoiceJul 18, 20151 votes

She has a snare, not a stun. You can still attack her while snared.

Even with Chalice, she still has fairly significant mana costs and relatively poor waveclear (it costs her too much mana to constantly clear with spells), so you should be able to out-push her.

Stay behind minions (outside of her AoE range) when you think she's trying to Q you, since her main damage is a skillshot. Her tether has a long cooldown, attack her while it's down if you are melee. The same goes for her ultimate at early levels.

Finally, she's relatively squishy without her shield and ult-heal, so she dies quite easily to well-timed ganks. Just don't ever dive her while her ultimate is up.

HupsisJul 18, 20151 votes

The answer is timing. All she has to do is wait till she has mantra up and she can easily trade with a melee champion even if they manage to deal some damage back.

Engage after she uses her mantra and other spells. A good Karma however rarely lets her enemy get a chance to engage if she knows she can't win.

CharQueenJul 19, 20151 votes

Check out this site so you can get better at countering: http://www.championselect.net/

As you see here, Karma is strong against Rumble. Whenever a champion lacks Tips, you're best bet is to sit back and play it safe. What you need to rely on is holding your tower. Keep the river warded and, if your Jungle counters Karma, go all in with them. If not, you'll have to wait until Team Fights start up so you can truly shine. That ult was made for Team Fights and you will be a great asset at devouring all enemies.

Oh! And when she is about to get Ganked, make sure you get her to waste her Ult on you before going All-In. Her Ult W can give her massive advantage in both a solo fight and a 2v1.