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Now that everyone's on a Jhin Witch hunt

Malicious Metal··157 votes·8,271 views

God, I never thought people would start complaining this much about Jhin out of all marksmen.

He's probably the fairest marksman there is with obvious weaknesses and solid strength profile that allows him to do stuff other Marksmen can't. He's very well designed and probably what every ADC in this game should be compared to in terms of overall design and skill expression since he does not only right click you to death.

I'm not denying that he's currently VERY Powerful, I'm not. But the thing with Jhin is that he has ALWAYS had a good play rate since he's just a very SATISFYING champion to play. Compare him to someone like Ashe for example.

Jhin has a skillshots, traps, an interesting reload mechanic and his ultimate, don't get me started on that one. He's a very strong champion in the right hands and unlike some other straight-forward champions he's not only rewarded with a good performance but doing that just feels great. His popularity this patch is due to three things:

-He's ALWAYS been popular, thus he's already got a pretty big player base, which only got BIGGER with the release of his Bloodmoon skin. Even the other BM champions got an increase in play rate, especially talon

-He abuses Armorpen like there's no tomorrow. It makes him too oppressive early when most adc's should be. This itemization also covers a LOT of his intended weaknesses of being squishy, LOW mobility and generally just popping when caught. Mostly a item 3814 item 3142 problem and not a Jhin one

-He snowballs like crazy, which this meta is all about. Utility ADC's and late game powerhouses like Ashe are not seeing the light of day because games are too fast and early dominance is valued a lot more. If the game slows down we'll see a lot more variety in the adc role.

So yeah, Jhin is a strong character but don't play dumb and say it wasn't obvious that he'd become even more popular. All the recent updates benefitted him directly or indirectly of course he's going to be strong.

And RIOT knows that. They're hitting Lethality AND his R catch potential on the PBE. They know he's strong but unlike certain individuals they do not just want to gut that champion.

Besides, I'd rather play against Jhin than stuff like Cait and Vayne.

224 Comments

Ahristocats21 votes

"his playrate has increased by 20% but his win rate only increased by 0.75%!!!"

well? you wanted it to be increased by 5%? The design of jhin made it so even if jhin is broken(which he is now) he won't have a high win rate because of the amount of counterplay his kit has

https://youtu.be/pFnCKr729J4?t=50

a SINGLE SIDESTEP will make you able to dodge his W that snares+gives him speed boost, then you can easily chase him and kill him

Jhin's entire kit can be played around, even his AA which makes him beyond healthy unlike other marksmen he needs like 5 seconds to get his 4th hit which allows any marksmen to duel him easily unless they get kited with whisper (which isn't the case with lethality jhin)

the problem with lethality jhin is that you need a frontline to block his spells, but right now https://i.gyazo.com/ac6e1c82bb64a7a11405d3667c99d514.png

tanks are weak nobody plays them (except mao and poppy) everyone is running 5 carry comp, braum is inexistant, and jungle is filled with kha and lee sin

Malicious Metal17 votes

Precisely, him being this popular is a product of the meta and even then he's not even the ADC with the highest win rate with stuff like Miss Fortune just pressing R to wipe out entire teams and bolstering a 55% win rate.

Playing against Jhin feels fair but people like complaining if they pick 5 squishies and lack a frontline to deal with him. A Nautilus can just body block for his team, given his shield and his lockdown is something not even an edge of night would stop.

Even then, he's getting nerfed so I don't get why people are so up and arms about him being this popular.

Thefrostyviking8 votes

As someone who's played botlane a considerable lot (Ashe lvl 7, Tristana lvl 6 , MissFortune lvl 7, Caitlyn lvl 6.)

I honestly feel that Jhin is fine. What is not fine however are the items he use, the lethality ones.

Did you know? By having some lethality in your runes, all the lethality items, a lord Dominick regards and a black cleaver one can drag a 300 armor target down to 80-90 armor. While also dealing near or actual true damage to anyone with less than 150.

Yep, the cheapest damage build in the game that also gives mobility and safety item 3814 allows one to deal true damage against squishy targets.

I tried playing Ashe some time ago but it was completely hopeless, i played against a kha6 who would with 2 lethality items just leap on me and 3 shot me in under a second or two. And sometime earlier a rengar who leapt ontop of me alone while i was in the middle of my team. He killed me instantly from full health before my support could even exhaust. I kinda gave up any hope of playing any normal ADC at the time :(

Quinn, jhin , mf....people are complaining about them. Calling them overpowered. However the reason that they alone are played is not just the fact that their power curves are far better with lethality. It's the fact that only they can survive long enough to do something via their range and movespeed along with edge of night preventing any oneshots.

This is a sad time for league of legends where only 3 botlane ADC's are truly viable for soloque. I really hope as a older ADC that the lethality items get changed and very quickly. Their power is far too much for the cheap price paid.

Best princess EU2 votes

unless you're yourself a jhin player it's hard to dodge his W, because most people won't have the reaction time to dodge it

TheMinez1 votes

Yes, it is so hard to dodge that fist wide hitbox as a Singed main, only the champion best known for dodging every skillshot and being fast.

Ahristocats4 votes

then how did i dodge it with darius?

https://youtu.be/dr8Lb_Mckxo?t=351

"fist wide hitbox" lul

Sahn Uzal12 votes

I can sidestep the damn thing with Sion's damn ass, it can't be that fucking hard

Glory ln Death9 votes

Why sidestep when you could just ult straight along the shot? It tells you exactly where he is! Foolish Jhin!

Papa Andrei4 votes

Do you just like have a program that notifies you whenever Sion is mentioned? I feel like you do.

JackMcSnipeyz15 votes

Dont bother, people will always look for a scapegoat solution to blame everything. No one complained about jhin until lethality buffs, suddenly his OP and "toxic" when he's one of the most skillshot reliant AdC in the game.

Ahristocats18 votes

no there are people telling you that jhin was gamebreaking even before the lethality changes

JackMcSnipeyz8 votes

And they were always shot down - rightfully. If the only argument people have now is "Mah playrate and winrate", then you know it's just an easy scapegoating to a bigger problem (lethality)

A Basic Island6 votes

oh so lee sin isn't op? kay

Ralanr8 votes

Lee is more annoying for his staying power than anything else.

Mira Arya Enthe13 votes

Jhin is highly overrated. He is an AD mage with an unusual AA method. That is it. As for his character he is a general mix of a V, Phantom of the Opera and cereal killer. He is far from unique. Aside from 4 memes he really brings nothing special to the table other than a massively bloated kit.

Jhin DOES right click you to death just because he does it in 4 easy to use doses instead of having to orb walk doesn't mean his damage doesn't come from AAs. It does.

Lets look at his kit. Q a bouncing damage... ohh... nobody ever had that before. W a trap that slows then deals damage... such unique. E a long range conditional root... shivering from how special he is. R, a four shot long range skillshot, so... Xerath with a slow.

The only unique thing in his kit is his basic attacks are stronger but slower doses.

Jhin was a busted high pick rate top tier adc with his crit build lethality didn't bust him. Stop perpetuating that, he was already busted.

Most fair ADC? Why exactly? Because you said so? What makes Jhin so especially fair?

Malicious Metal11 votes

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Jhin is highly overrated. He is an AD mage with an unusual AA method. That is it. As for his character he is a general mix of a V, Phantom of the Opera and cereal killer. He is far from unique. Aside from 4 memes he really brings nothing special to the table other than a massively bloated kit.

SUre, just disregard all the artistry and the deranged mind he has. He's an extremely interesting character in that he's not only insane but knows it and tries to justify it. He's interesting not only because of his state of mind but also because he's a way to portray the internal struggle of Ionia as a nation. (Be it the council, Kusho, Zed and co.)

He brings Spell-weaving, skill shots and an interesting reload mechanic to a class that's usually just right click oriented, only that already makes him great.

Jhin DOES right click you to death just because he does it in 4 easy to use doses instead of having to orb walk doesn't mean his damage doesn't come from AAs. It does.

Never did I say he didn't AA to deal damage. He just has other ways to kill you too

Lets look at his kit. Q a bouncing damage... ohh... nobody ever had that before. W a trap that slows then deals damage... such unique. E a long range conditional root... shivering from how special he is. R, a four shot long range skillshot, so... Xerath with a slow.

Q is the only aspect of his kit that's boring and he needs it because he wouldn't be able to reliably CS without it. W is interesting in that it's LONG ranged potential snare that helps set up kills, I don't know any champ with such a long skill shot. His E(!) traps are kinda boring, yeah but they trigger whenever he kills someone for an explosive death, it's cool.

His R is an opera, he'll make YOU dance.

The only unique thing in his kit is his basic attacks are stronger but slower doses.

Jhin was a busted high pick rate top tier adc with his crit build lethality didn't bust him. Stop perpetuating that, he was already busted.

He was always picked but he never felt oppressive since he's so easily caught out with a normal crit build

Most fair ADC? Why exactly? Because you said so? What makes Jhin so especially fair? Because unlike Ashe I can actually jump him as a melee character. he has to HIT skill shots, he's toast when he has to reload and unlike other adc's he doesn't have huge "FUCK YOU" mechanics like Graves, Ashe, Cait and co.

Just because YOU have such a hate boner for him doesn't mean he's a broken champion. Strong, heck yeah, but you can always trim down power.

I'm kinda disappointed that you of all people are promoting this kind of behavior.

Mira Arya Enthe7 votes

55% pick rate with 52% win rate is not a bit strong it is busted. I don't have a hate boner for him, my bff plays him and I would if I didn't suck at adc in general. I am just tired of the worship people commit to one champion design that is mildly special, to the point where they will defend those numbers.

You know for a fact if Riven, Yasuo or Lee Sin had those numbers you and Rubick would be all over them. In fact... I think I can go find some of the threads and comments regarding Lee...

Malicious Metal12 votes

You know why high pick rates usually mean low win rates? Because most of these champions have a very high skill ceiling.

Now I'm not calling Jhin easy by any means but he's one of the simplest champions there is and he's been sitting on a 51-52% win rate since his bloody release.

That's consistency. He has been nerfed before, the last time when armor pen was busted, and he's getting nerfed once again.

Trying to parade him as a broken champion based on what? A spike in play rate with not even a change in win rate the same patch one of the COOLEST skins is released as well as armor pen being strong?

Don't make me laugh. Nobody is saying he's weak or in a perfect spot, I just find hating on someone like Jhin just disgusting when he's one of the only adc's where I genuinely feel outplayed when I die to him whereas Ashe just right clicks any melee to death and keeps them from ever touching her.

Mira Arya Enthe5 votes

Lee Sin difficulty is overrated down here in silver they can do the ward hop, flash ult, QQ.

"Disgusting" big word for disliking a champion being overpowered. I'm not beating people to death chill.

Jhin does the same to melees. He gets slow traps, movement speed and a root instead of slows. He still right clicks melees to death because it's almost as if that is a marksman's job...

Sahn Uzal6 votes

Jhin does the same to melees. He gets slow traps, movement speed and a root instead of slows. He still right clicks melees to death because it's almost as if that is a marksman's job...

Ok that's straight bullshit. Ashe's Utility is WAY superior to Jhin's. Especially when it comes to shutting down Melees.

TyrekGoldenspear11 votes

cereal killer

Gotta admit I laughed at that. Have an upvote.

Also, it's not just individual parts, its the entire thing together. What we have here is grade A certified perfection. Because 4.

Also, if you want to be that way, then let's go a step further. Every Single Champ in League of Legends is a Trope Check tvTropes if you don't believe me. So what if he is a mix of tropes? Who isn't?

He isn't as busted as you like to think. Don't think of him as an Ashe, think of him like a Varus.

P.S. good luck bodyblocking a Xerath ult. It ain't the same thing.

bbQsauçe12 votes

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Sahn Uzal50 votes

I'm not denying that he's currently VERY Powerful, I'm not.

Sigh, did you even read the thread?

bbQsauçe6 votes

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LankPants11 votes

Jhin fanboys man, they're fucking delusional.

MissingKayo8 votes

At least we're intelligent.

Mordemir40 votes

{quoted}

At least we're fabulous.

Fixed it for you.

JoeMG23 votes

Taric You called?

Fondling Gems9 votes

Gems?

Papa Andrei11 votes

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/1d/1d0a6ed3b7c1ba6226ab7954d694ed541fe43649aaa36db30717ef94bdc2937b.jpg

Fondling Gems6 votes

Fuck? Well I prefer fondling but I am adaptable.

Stars Shaper36 votes

You can see it's area of effect and while really fast, those are skillshot that can be meat walled by others at high hp for you easily.

I know it would mean that there is a team on the field and not 5 random "carries" but that's how this game is supposed to work.

6Sfool8 votes

If you got 100-0'd by a Jhin ult at max range, you need to work on your reflexes. Unless I'm being locked down by another champion with permaslows/hard cc, I have no trouble dodging most of the shots. Just walk in zig-zags and try to be unpredictable, he'll have too much trouble predicting.

TheMinez12 votes

I had this one sona in ranked last season who whenever she was hit by Jhin ult would walk in a straight line and eat 3 more.

She then complained about how we didn't help when she literally made it so the Jhin didn't need to move his mouse.

TL;DR : Some people cannot comprehend that the best way to dodge a skillshot is to sidestep.

Sidestep8 votes

You called?

Ahristocats12 votes

https://youtu.be/pFnCKr729J4?t=109

karma gets 3 shots(+ last one) and went to 50% of her hp and jhin had edge of the night+youmu,

what happened to your 100-0 a squishy? because yeah, if you look at it ONE MORE SHOT wouldn't have changed anything

bbQsauçe6 votes

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doublelift fg18 votes

you don't need evidences you idiot, jhin can't kill someone with his ulti if the target is sitting at 100% hp, look at the base damage of his ulti then talk

bbQsauçe5 votes

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Looknook15 votes

Only his last shots does missing health damage. It works just like his basic attacks.

WoonStruck7 votes

I find it really funny how you get massively upvoted for spouting entirely incorrect information.

Go look it up.

Each shot does % missing HP damage. Last shot just crits for 100% x (1 + bonus crit damage).

Papa Andrei4 votes

I looked this up. and well what did you know, it actually does.

Well holy shit xD

Pathfinder Yasuo8 votes

Holy fuck these Jhin fanboys upvoting this when you're wrong as fuck

Curtain Call's damage is increased by 2.5% for every 1% of the target's missing health, and the Curtain Call final shot critically strikes for 100% × (1 + bonus critical damage) increased damage.

l2p

hop on the jhin bandwagon dick and ride it all the way to patch 7.4 when he gets what he deserves

6Sfool12 votes

Thank you. An actually well thought out post explaining what's going on with Jhin. I'm not even a big fan of his, but all this hate is unwarranted.

Miror B11 votes

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Thank you. An actually well thought out post explaining what's going on with Jhin. I'm not even a big fan of his, but all this hate is unwarranted.

It's also heavily misdirected as well, as lethality is the main thing people should be annoyed about instead of the characters themselves. Rito decided to release an assassin-helping thing, chose not to make it "melee-only", and to everyone's surprise it's the ranged characters who are massively exploiting it.

Rito in 2017: new era, same old sh't.

DarkRitual8 votes

I am happy for Jhin to have a higher playrate right now. I enjoy tilting him as Shen support. Nice 4th shot you got there. Would be a shame if someone... ...dodge zone'd it.

IA9hRfpP5q5 votes

He also has the best ultimate in the game of a marksman for initiating team fights.

ACENOX10 votes

Sivir

Sahn Uzal9 votes

Ashe

MissingKayo7 votes

And multiple others have the best in the game for ending it in 2-3 seconds after it started.

MissFortune Twitch Corki Kennen

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