Regarding that Death Dance change/buff in 8.24...

Hextech OwI·Dec 4, 2018·26 votes·15,000 views

Unique Passive: ~~Heals 15% of physicaldamage dealt (5% for area-effect damage).~~ Heals 15% of all damage dealt (5% for area-effect damage).

Now that this change has been made, wouldn't it be wise to name this unique passive and do the same with Hexetch Gunblade 's healing passive since they are now the same?

I see a lot of champions that have hybrid damage and that could use both and be close to abuse them. (Especially and )

######I mean, that's a 30% heal on all the damage they deal.

40 Comments

Mc RatonDec 4, 201816 votes

Akali Katarina . . .

Edit : Fiora item 3074 item 3812 item 3080 :/

ŚhunpoDec 5, 20181 votes

I've tested it on Kat, it kinda sucks compared to Gunblade since it grants no AP (which gives you more damage than AD, hence more healing). It's really good on Akali though, yet still a worse Gunblade, AND it reveals you in Shroud.

GrReaper96Dec 5, 20181 votes

Get em both. Boom

Mc RatonDec 5, 20182 votes

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I've tested it on Kat, it kinda sucks compared to Gunblade since it grants no AP (which gives you more damage than AD, hence more healing). It's really good on Akali though, yet still a worse Gunblade, AND it reveals you in Shroud.

i've stated those two as item 3146 and item 3813 used together, not a replacement for Gunblade.

ŚhunpoDec 6, 20181 votes

Except you NEED Void Staff, Zhoyna's, Sorc boots, which leaves only one open slot which is usually taken up by Rabadon's which provides more healing anyways due to more damage.

Fckjaxsuo43v3rDec 6, 20181 votes

Delayed burst is a thing on Akali

ŚhunpoDec 6, 20181 votes

....except it reveals you while in shroud (DD's passive).

Full BrainDec 4, 201816 votes

This is going to end with Death Dance's delayed damage passive being removed because they refuse to fix Jax and Akali and instead screw over every other character in the game by wrecking or removing items.

Romans VI XXIIIDec 4, 201815 votes

Garen going to be so fun healing for all dat true damage I deal during my moments of JUSTICE!!!!!!!!

AlzonDec 5, 20181 votes

Ahem.

Darius item 3071 item 3111 item 3053 item 3812 item 3065 item 3075

Romans VI XXIIIDec 5, 20181 votes

Woooooo more HP for you, means more healing for me :)

Critmaster GarenDec 5, 20181 votes

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going to be so fun healing for all dat true damage I deal during my moments of JUSTICE!!!!!!!!

well, garen is at least not going to be broken with it. but he will finally have a combat sustain item and might not lose almost every single extended trade.

the heal on the ult is what could make this viable now.

Mc RatonDec 5, 20181 votes

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well, garen is at least not going to be broken with it. but he will finally have a combat sustain item and might not lose almost every single extended trade.

the heal on the ult is what could make this viable now.

The heal on the ult will be extremely good as Garen target get low on HP as the damage increase and so the healing, but it remain niche and will probly be a bad rush item unless easy matchup top.

Romans VI XXIIIDec 6, 20181 votes

Agreed, I'm thinking item 3071 into item 3812

TheMysticWarDec 5, 201810 votes

Akali / Katarina can’t use it efficiently It’s more a Kaisa Jax Corki problem Anyway why the f did they change it will be ridiculous on execute ults

NevrankroatonDec 5, 20181 votes

It isn't a corki problem, you won't see a corki building big DPS items like Kaisa do or like jax naturally do.

It will actually help corki I feel (he kinda need it).

But yeah, let's juste make these two items having unique passive so jax doesn't break an item, gain, and so kaisa doesn't find a new build that make her bonkers before late game.

TheMysticWarDec 5, 20181 votes

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It isn't a corki problem, you won't see a corki building big DPS items like Kaisa do or like jax naturally do.

It will actually help corki I feel (he kinda need it).

But yeah, let's juste make these two items having unique passive so jax doesn't break an item, gain, and so kaisa doesn't find a new build that make her bonkers before late game.

Corki is definitely not a problem himself. Those 3 are just the best abusers

xDarkxFieldxDec 5, 20181 votes

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/ can’t use it efficiently It’s more aproblem Anyway why the f did they change it will be ridiculous on execute ults

R ember when the kai'sa's build was dd into rageblade, that might come beck

Mc RatonDec 5, 20181 votes

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/ can’t use it efficiently It’s more aproblem Anyway why the f did they change it will be ridiculous on execute ults

Kat and Akali can use both Gunblade and Death dance paired together as it boost their sustain to the top and both have AD ratio to make use of both item. I never stated DD alone on Kat or Akali but paired with Gunblade it can turn the bad laning phase into a sustain fest for both of them in bad matchup.

Fire BlaustoiseDec 6, 20181 votes

Renekton

SpaghettiVaseDec 6, 20181 votes

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/ can’t use it efficiently It’s more aproblem Anyway why the f did they change it will be ridiculous on execute ults

You're forgetting the delayed burst it brings. Making it good on Akali Katarina for just surviving the dive even more. Also what execute ults is it ridiculous on?

ExpStealerDec 4, 20184 votes

Morgana be like "I'M INVINCIBLE!"

I know DD is an AD item, but still.

JaspersDec 4, 20188 votes

item 3003 item 3146 item 3812 item 3065 .... do it.

Daddy AntsDec 5, 20182 votes

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be like "I'M INVINCIBLE!"

I know DD is an AD item, but still.

W is AOE.

R is AOE.

So healing is heavily reduced.

Rathar DashingDec 5, 20181 votes

She still gets that sweet 30% delayed damage though, enough for her to get her ult off most likely.

SwiftKitten88Dec 5, 20181 votes

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W is AOE.

R is AOE.

So healing is heavily reduced.

lol again its not about the healing.. its about the 33% burst damage reduction something no mage has EVER gotten access to

General MattyDec 5, 20183 votes

This is not a good change. it makes hybrid damage dealers (kai'sa cough) even scarier than before. (Jax)

Mc RatonDec 4, 20181 votes

Where did you see those change exactly ? I've checked surrender at 20 but I can't find anything related to DD. Mind to give the link?

FireWolfYTDec 4, 20181 votes

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Where did you see those change exactly ? I've checked surrender at 20 but I can't find anything related to DD. Mind to give the link?

Check patch notes

Mc RatonDec 4, 20182 votes

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Check patch notes

I did and I'm so upset with Riot thinking, it was wrote no where in PBE and boom it appear on patch note in surprise... Riot really want to break their game ... I thought I saw it all with Dark Harvest but that... It make no sense at all.. Going to permaban Kat and Akali it seems.

Vlada CutDec 5, 20181 votes

item 3074 item 3812 item 3065 Camille let's go.

Mokuto BunshiDec 5, 20181 votes

+ item 3072

Rathar DashingDec 5, 20181 votes

+Revitalize and Ravenous Hunter

Mokuto BunshiDec 5, 20181 votes

And maybe even Grasp XD

Vlada CutDec 6, 20181 votes

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+

Too squishy. :/

Mokuto BunshiDec 5, 20181 votes

Technically its 10%-30% but yeah, that would be wise.

HammermancerDec 5, 20181 votes

Akali

The thigh guyDec 6, 20181 votes

It’s more ad champions not named adc are going to do more damage and be tankier and sustain harder.

There is a new Irelia build that’s just shitting on everything from every angle possible.

Ibg, tabi/merc treads, deaths dance, spirit visage, steriks and a final situational item.

She just does so much damage and heals so much while being unburstabke and crazy hard to cc down.

Fckjaxsuo43v3rDec 9, 20181 votes

Except in S9 nobody is unburstable, you just need to focus more attacks on them but anyone can fall in <2 sec (even Voli/Mundo/Nautilus etc.). In lategame there's no tanks anymore, everyone just get deleted as soon as they take the focus.

Edit: not only in lategame, but also in mid game at equal level of gold.