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In case you don't see what RIOT is trying to pull with the LE Warwick skin & Vet shop

Critkeeper··1 votes·669 views

They want you to drop 150k Blue Essence on it (among a lot of other overpriced nonsense in the upcoming veteran shop) because if you spend most or all of your BE, you won't be able to buy new champions with BE and will be forced to use cash.

Remember, you won't be able to accumulate BE by playing games like you can accumulate IP currently. You don't get BE by playing games, you don't actually get anything. After playing enough games to level up you get a capsule with random contents (champion shards, skin shards, etc) that you might be able to disenchant into BE, but it certainly won't be as much as the IP you would have collected in the current system over the course of the games you played to get from your previous level to the current one. That basically means that while the price of new champions stays the same, the currency just became several times harder to earn.

Basically they want you to drop a ton of money on garbage in the veteran shop so you won't have anything to buy new champions with, and because of the changes to the leveling and currency system, you will be essentially forced to buy new champions with money (or grind like 6-10 games a day). Don't fall for it, buy what you really really like and save the rest.

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TWITCHTV ERONATE3 votes

this is really forced hate on riot lol if you have 150k blue essence to start with you probably have all champs already and have nothing to spend it on anymore.

the higher the price is, basically the rarer the skin is.

veterans wanted something to spend their be on and they've got it. i'm also pretty sure it won't also be impossible to earn blue essence through the new system, even if i dislike it, but stop hating on riot for shit they actually do for players

King of Demons2 votes

Alex Jones level of conspiracy here. Good job, proud of you.

Okuma1 votes

You don't have to spend a single BE in the Veteran's shop tho. Just save your BE if that's what you want.

Critkeeper1 votes

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You don't have to spend a single BE in the Veteran's shop tho. Just save your BE if that's what you want.

that is what i want, i'm just making sure that people know for sure what it is that they want.

it'd be a shame for someone to buy a lot of crap in the veteran shop for some sense of posterity and later come to realize that they don't have anything to buy champions with.

Okuma1 votes

You're right! I appreciate the fact that you're taking your time to adress such things!

Silly Neeko1 votes

Umm..... well.... you see....

They pointed out that IP is changed to blue essence, blue essence will be gained after game at the same rate as the curremt IP, and that disenchanting shards will give more blue essence.

So idk what conspiracy theory your trying to pull now but its wonky.

Critkeeper2 votes

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Umm..... well.... you see....

They pointed out thag IP is changed to blue essence, blue essence will be gained after game at the same rate as the curremt IP, and that disenchanting shards will give more blue essence.

Blue essence will not be gained after games at the same rate as current IP. It won't be gained for playing games at all. You will only be able to gain blue essence by disenchanting things you get in capsules or chests.

Silly Neeko1 votes

Ok, so i looked. No blue essence after game. But the question becomes..... rate at leveling? Me personally i only need 3 champ shards to buy any new champion. Level 30 will become a very low level now im sure. Curious how they will change up ranked then.

In theory, we will be able to get more blue essence than we did before..... same with more chances for skins.

Oh btw, those free skins basically from the honor capsules? Yeah, that will lose them more money than they would ever make on champions.

Critkeeper2 votes

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Ok, so i looked. No blue essence after game. But the question becomes..... rate at leveling? Me personally i only need 3 champ shards to buy any new champion. Level 30 will become a very low level now im sure. Curious how they will change up ranked then.

In theory, we will be able to get more blue essence than we did before..... same with more chances for skins.

Oh btw, those free skins basically from the honor capsules? Yeah, that will lose them more money than they would ever make on champions.

it will take 5 instead of 3 now, and the amount of XP required to level up to earn a capsule isn't guaranteed to remain constant as you progress through the levels.

Ironfield1 votes

But we dont know the rate in which we will level up and what we will be earning from each box. How can you conclude that we will be earning less?

Critkeeper1 votes

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But we dont know the rate in which we will level up and what we will be earning from each box. How can you conclude that we will be earning less?

Because the average amount of BE you gain for disenchanting something after scaling it up by 6.5, is around 1900.

If you currently gain around 100 IP per game (factoring in bonus ip for first win of the day and/or group play) it would take around 19 games to gain an equal value in IP.

That sounds about right in terms of the number of games it would likely take to level up, but read carefully what was said in the announcement:

#LOOT REBALANCING Since you’ll be getting so many more shards thanks to the new leveling system (and with other recent changes to honor and events), we’ll tune down the relative value of the essence you get from disenchanting shards of all types—champ shards, skin shards, and ward skin shards.

In the current system, for example, disenchanting a champ shard will get you about a third of the BE you need to buy a champ at that shard’s tier; In the new system it’ll get you 20% of the way there

30% is half as much more than 20%, so it will take 50% longer to farm BE for a champ as it would take to farm IP for a champ. This is assuming you even get champion shards in the chest, which isn't guaranteed-- and that the XP required to level up doesn't increase at higher levels, which also isn't guaranteed. It could very well be much more than 50%.

Ironfield1 votes

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Because the average amount of BE you gain for disenchanting something after scaling it up by 6.5, is around 1900.

If you currently gain around 100 IP per game (factoring in bonus ip for first win of the day and/or group play) it would take around 19 games to gain an equal value in IP.

That sounds about right in terms of the number of games it would likely take to level up, but read carefully what was said in the announcement: Since you’ll be getting so many more shards thanks to the new leveling system (and with other recent changes to honor and events), we’ll tune down the relative value of the essence you get from disenchanting shards of all types—champ shards, skin shards, and ward skin shards.

30% is half as much more than 20%, so it will take 50% longer to farm BE for a champ as it would take to farm IP for a champ. This is assuming you even get champion shards in the chest, which isn't guaranteed-- and that the XP required to level up doesn't increase at higher levels, which also isn't guaranteed. It could very well be much more than 50%.

They arent scaling it up 6.5 forever though just your current BE coming into preseason. We just dont know the loot form the chest to determine if were going to gain less.

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XP every match, chests with champ shards (which can be turned into lots of BE) on level-up.

From what the reds have said in the boards it makes it seem like theyre going to be a special champion shards that reward more BE for disenchanting them.

Critkeeper1 votes

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They arent scaling it up 6.5 forever though just your current BE coming into preseason. We just dont know the loot form the chest to determine if were going to gain less.

they actually are going to scale up BE by 6.5 across the board, not just the BE that you currently have.

AlQaeda Taliban1 votes

That is quite the non sense. You shouldn't even be talking about the veteran shop if you still don't have all the champions. It is for those players who have all champs and don't have anything to spend it on. I have 60k IP and nearly all champs, and i really have nothing to spend more.

Critkeeper1 votes

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That is quite the non sense. You shouldn't even be talking about the veteran shop if you still don't have all the champions. It is for those players who have all champs and don't have anything to spend it on. I have 60k IP and nearly all champs, and i really have nothing to spend more.

I'm saying it would be unwise for anyone to buy a bunch of veteran shop stuff and not leave enough BE in their account to buy champions as they come out, since they probably won't be earning enough BE rapidly enough to buy those champions unless they play like 6-8 games a day.

AlQaeda Taliban1 votes

Yea definetly. And there are going to be people who will actually buy things from the shop with real money, which is rather unwise. Riot is going to make some money out of it, but thats not a secret or a bad thing. I remeber back in the day when I still needed a lot of champs, I couldn't even think about having more than 6300 Ip. The things in the shop are probably going to be 20k+ and I don't think someone would actualy save that much BE just for a ward skin. A real problem would be the kids who get their hands on their parents credit cards. Especially if they like playing ww.

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