Annie summon tibbers should be a projectile teddy bear monster that rips your fucking kidneys out.

Critkeeper··195 votes·6,884 views

On impact it should make a fiery deathball of fur and chaos.

I suggest we make her ultimate a projectile skillshot like corki phospherous bomb, nerf her basic abilities and then buff the living hell out of tibbers.

I'm talking about tibbers being a fucking monster with 150 / 250 / 350 armor and magic resist, 3000 / 4000 / 5000 health, and auto attacks that hit like udyr and bleed you out like darius. And he shouldn't be a lumbering zombie, he should be feral and vicious-- activating R again would cause him to dash into that direction, like a sejuani, and start ripping people apart. Annie should be able to heal Tibbers and infuse him with attack speed by casting a damage dealing spell on him, which gives her the ability to channel her ENTIRE kit into Tibbers and allows us to make peak Tibbers strength comparable to shyvanna.

In case you are wondering how something with the damage of shyvanna and tankiness of malphite and can heal as fast as mundo and enormous mobility could possibly be balanced, its quite simple-- Tibber's achilees heel is annie herself. If she dies, Tibbers goes away, so she has to play carefully with the bear and not get too greedy.

Lets not make annie just another cookie cutter burst mage. We have those already. Lets make her less about doing damage directly with her spells and more about being a tiny diabolical summoner, and make tibbers a monster.

116 Comments

KING OF MASKS34 votes

So basically, give Mordekaiser's pet dragon mechanic to Annie?

I actually like it. https://media.riffsy.com/images/19e2bb848c6a58045bb4805ebc5c69a4/raw

Malicious Metal39 votes

Triggered.

DaveDay67 votes

Tibbered*

charcharmunro2 votes

...When the hell did David Mitchell get a GIF.

BastionKross33 votes

I'd suggest much the same (maybe not with those numbers though). Annie right now is a burst mage that just happens to spawn a minion as part of her combo that's only good for tanking tower and blocking skillshots. She should be the League's bear mage.

The CD on her ult right now is low enough that she can have perma-Tibbers with enough CDR. If Tibbers was actually a force to be reckoned with, instead of what is effectively a voidling with a different visual, Annie's playstyle would shift dramatically toward being more of a beastmaster, giving her a unique identity. She'd also have a better window of weakness than the "Does she have her passive stacked" she has now.

ManiacalCoyote2 votes

IKR, I love having 45% CDR; lvl 3 Tibbers' cooldown with 45% CDR is 44 sec; Tibbers' duration is 45 sec. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

XxShirosamaxX1 votes

tibbers is like a thing that after is used put in mid lane brush to ac like a gank to scare the enemy midlaner ( yes it works ) so tibbers should not be suicided to turrets ( unless pushing after a team fight )

BluePolarizer23 votes

This would enormously raise the skillcap of Annie.

Are you sure that's what Annie mains want?

Spicy Rice22 votes

Since when has anyone cared what the mains of a champion want for their champion?

Prospector Pete8 votes

LeeSin

MrMooMuuCow4 votes

Honestly I wouldn't mind. I love playing Annie, but this would only increase the amount of fun I have playing her :3 Annie

48983507DEL12 votes

and uniqueness

XxShirosamaxX2 votes

but rito wouldn't have the game be more fun...

SpecterVonBaren2 votes

Even Annie Bot has said that he'd still play Annie if she was reworked so long as she was still fun.

High522 votes

"On impact it should make a fiery deathball of fur and chaos."

I'm on board with this.

JQKAndrei11 votes

So now Yasuo can shit on Annie too?

Critkeeper4 votes

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So now Yasuo can shit on Annie too?

you can't windwall a melee attack. You don't necessarily have to throw tibbers into a windwall, just throw him at your feet and tell him to dash to yasuo.

JQKAndrei2 votes

I like the idea of Tibbers being core part of Annie's kit, once I of something similar, but your idea is better.

How about the cooldown on tibbers? should it be long/short? duration also.

Veraska11 votes

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you can't windwall a melee attack. You don't necessarily have to throw tibbers into a windwall, just throw him at your feet and tell him to dash to yasuo.

Plus I could see tibbers being treated the same as ori ball, if it hit the wall it wouldn't be destroyed just stopped on the wall

DaveDay9 votes

That could be kind of cool.

I'm thinking give her similar aspects to nidalee. She gets her ult right away like nid, plus a point for one of her other abilities. Her basic abilities all have their own function, but when she summons Tibbers, the basic abilities tell Tibbers to do things instead. While Tibbers is summoned, he drains mana, so she wouldn't want to have him out all the time, and there is a cd to summon him that starts after he disappears.

Not sure if people would like it at all, butI think it's interesting.

LegitBusinessman5 votes

As sarcastic as it sounds this is a great idea, the bear should be a core part of her kit and it isn't, it's just a secondary effect of the disgusting R Q W insta burst combo. Boring.

Owltears4 votes

Although I like this idea, in _my opinion _ it's not for Annie. I feel like it's either for another champion or can be used with Annie so long as it doesn't take away from too much of her current kit. I can see a dragon, or a void based champion using this though or maybe another champion like Annie, but who was ripped out of time from the future as she has more control over Tibbers now.

Llanite4 votes

She's been identifying as someone who spooks the shit out of anyone coming close. She has a unique style and niche (simple, slow and inflexible but dangerous). I don't see why that should change.

The beastmaster style should be made for a new champ, but unlike to happen, as Riot stated that they don't like too much micro.

Critkeeper6 votes

pardon me, but simple slow and inflexible isn't a unique style or niche. for example, mordekaiser is simple, slow and inflexible but dangerous. so is darius. even veigar is simple, slow, and inflexible but dangerous.

the only thing annie has that nobody else has is tibbers. we should emphasize the thing that makes annie unique, not the things she shares with the rest of her class.

Llanite1 votes

People play her because she's simple but reliable. Her spells are not avoidable which is very strong against flashy mid like Yasou and Zed, that's the niche.

Her style is unique, her spells are guaranteed to hit and dmg is high, but range low and possible to get poked. The closest variation is Pantheon but he's melee and have a map-wide jump.

A dramatic change like this is 180 turn, which should be made into a new champion. Champion is only reworked/upgraded if the new idea inherits the same playstyle and role, while having better performance. In Anne case, I would say no.

My gf hates LoL1 votes

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A dramatic change like this is 180 turn, which should be made into a new champion. Champion is only reworked/upgraded if the new idea inherits the same playstyle and role, while having better performance. In Anne case, I would say no.

Poppy, graves, mord, sion....

Llanite1 votes

Morde is still the same, a shield that scales with dmg, 1 aoe, 1 AA enhancement, ghoul ult? Sion is the same - face smasher with CC and a shield, passively gain health with cs. Poppy changed because Riot stated that her old form wasn't working and they have to purposely kept her weak for years.

My gf hates LoL1 votes

Morde is now a duo lane carry, they even labeled him a marksman

sion went from a burst mage to a hypertank

i like how you ignore graves

and about your response to poppy okay? thats what reworks are for

Llanite1 votes

No idea why it got cut off but w/e. Graves is reworked because he does not have a niche and there is no reason to pick him over another adc.

Sion was never a mage, AP sion was a troll for-fun build. His primary is AD fighter.

Morde post-rework is able to duo lane, and his tag reflects that, in solo lane, he still does what he did before. I'd call that an improvement.

Rework is meant to improve the niche/style a champion has, or replace if they believe the old form to be too broken to repair. Neither apply for Annie who is widely known and have well-defined niche.

Mîke Hâwk1 votes

Did you play AP sion? Half hit unavoidable stun with incredible range, giant shield that explodes for an insane amount of damage? I'd say he was a mage and not a tank. His change was much needed, since he didn't make sense as a champ, but he is not even close to being what he was before the rework. And with the geaves change, there's no reason to pick Annie over any other cater mage. This change would be a good thing.

Llanite1 votes

I did and he went out of mana after that combo. His mid game fell off retardly hard once people started popping his shield before he could detonate, who then had exactly one damaging spell. The Q range was also tiny that you couldn't hit anyone who wasn't first time laning against AP Sion.

His rework was to improve his intended identity - AD fighter. The AP counterpart was never considered by Riot to be a legit build. Yi and Tris were on the same page.

There is a clear reason to pick Annie. She is very strong against assassins and glass melee, who will blow conventional mages with one finger. She's not OP, not toxic, has solid popularity, niche and clear reason to pick over others. There is little reason to change.

La Barbotte4 votes

her ult should work like it does in the god damn video (a twist of fate), she throws tibbers and he has a travel time, instead of spawning and taking away 2 carries 1 tank your grandma and half of the rent

El Captain Teemo3 votes

the technology isn't there yet.

K543 votes

Tibbers = Permanent sand soldier from level 1 His health is infinite, he's a zoning bear Annie is squishy and all her abilities are for Tibbers

Annie = Poke'mon Trainer Tibbers = Poke'mon

Only Play Darius2 votes

Sounds amazing. A remote-controlled Shyvana would be terrifying and awesome at the same time

FrickendaChicken2 votes

Make Tibburs a permanent part of her kit, lvl 1 style? She controls tibburs through ult, and he is horrible pre 6 ( as to make it so she can't abuse the lane.) Then everything she does is about Tibburs. I would love to have a mage that's all about controlling a separate entity entirely.

Maybe he even does her auto attacks for her?

XxShirosamaxX1 votes

thats Orianna in a nut shell

Crossette2 votes

Remove the AOE on Tibbers, make it active when she has E active.

Apply changes in thread above.

gg annie fixed

Alphadef2 votes

That's fine, as long as he replaces my kidneys with my kid's knees

morris12 votes

Those stats may be a little too much, but I definitely agree in concept. Her ult is only used for intial damage and stun, then you send Tibbers away to die in a turret.

IS3E531E3F9643912 votes

leauge needs better control for this really, in DotA 2 you can select the clone/pet and such, in LoL you have to press R all the time which needlessly to say is clunky to do all the time

NB money1 votes

i think clicking r is way easier then select different characters all the time.

XxShirosamaxX2 votes

you click r?

NB money1 votes

yes.

Semantic2 votes

I like Annie the way she is. She is a niche pick that is good against some things like Yasuo and some other assassins/midrange mages, but weak to things that can tank her burst (Diana), outrange her (Ziggs, Lux, Syndra), shield her (Morgana, Lux), etc. Yes, she can delete people instantly IF she isn't behind, but it usually costs her flash (see: 5 minute cooldown) to get anybody because of her super short range.

There is room to have simple characters in the game like Annie for newer players. Not everybody needs to have skillshots.

DrOinkleBerry2 votes

Yes, rework Annie so she has counterplay and a strong identity as a dark summoner. Make her Q a skillshot, with longer range. Make her W not boring. Make E be a significantly noticeable buff for her & Tibbers. Why not? Her skins could even depict her magic type as something other than fire, since she'd be defined as a summoner and not a pyromancer (that's Brand's shtick imo). Goth Annie could have shadow magic, Panda Annie could summon fireworks/gunpowder as her spells, etc.

I wouldn't say I'm an Annie main, but I've played plenty of her in my time. I do think the day should come soon that she get a rework so she's less "The Pyromage that isn't Brand who has a Bear sometimes," and more, "The diabolical, satanic child who summons a monstrosity from a stuffed bear."

ManiacalCoyote2 votes

Warwick "Oooh, look! A little girl alone in the woods!"

Annie "Mr. Wolf, what big eyes you have!"

Warwick "The better to see you with!"

Annie "What a big nose you have!"

Warwick "The better to smell you with!"

Annie "What a big mouth you have!"

Warwick "The better to eat ..."

Annie summons Tibbers

Warwick "What a big bear you have!"

Annie "The better to butcher you with!"

Stand Alone Wolf2 votes

That title though. Had me dying. Got my vote xD

RastaBrotha2 votes

This is amazing. Imagine chilling around the rift taking a stroll by the river when suddenly a giaNT FUCKING FLAMING BEAR DEMON CHARGES AT YOU LIKE 4 VOLIBEARS HOLy shit +1

Critkeeper1 votes

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