Can we stop indirectly buffing tank supports?

chipndip1·Apr 17, 2018·12 votes·5,498 views

Janna needed to be dealt with, yeah, but you guys aren't pulling other Enchanters back up, either. These changes to Spellthief will just force tank supports down our throats outright. Tank supports aren't losing anything, while even lack-luster Enchanters like Sona and Soraka are getting nerfed for practically no reason with no compensation.

You could say "They nerfed Resolve", but Enchanter supports often take Resolve to survive potential all-ins, anyway, so Resolve nerfs hurt them just as much as a tank support when they go up against catchers or Leona, anyway. I'd love to not see Braum/Kench every game when I turn on the LCS. I literally just don't bother watching anymore because bot lane's the same song and dance every time. Boring, and this isn't helping.

26 Comments

AirKingNeoApr 17, 20186 votes

Can we just nerf supports in general anyways? But yeah, seeing supports getting shit while other mages are compensated was pretty senseless.

Also, revert the HP scaling on Resolve to flat HP and just nerf Grasp instead.

chipndip1Apr 17, 20182 votes

...but that buffs tank supports...

And I don't think we want to see this whole "support nerfing" thing go too far in one direction...seriously...

Big LincolnApr 17, 20185 votes

Boring

describes all supports fairly accurate

AFilthyCaitMainApr 18, 20181 votes

AP/Hybrid shield power Karma support uwu

Jinzo TorranceApr 17, 20183 votes

All supports must go back to being a walking bag of 300 gold

Step Sis LuxApr 17, 20182 votes

OTHER MAGES ARE COMPENSATED XDD wtf is wrong with u they are nerfing them like every time they can

PinkajApr 18, 20182 votes

Yeah, I don't know what's up with Sona especially. She's been gutted to the point where you can't escape a gank without using up all your mana, if you even can.

Daddy Tie Me UpApr 18, 20182 votes

enchanters getting nerfed is only a good thing. most braindead type of gameplay should be rewarded the least. Although they should get hits in their safekeeping, at this point what kind of nerf to all these reskinned jannas is a good choice. Less Jannas I see the better.

WzqdQsZwQAApr 17, 20181 votes

yeah buff them directly instead i think

AhristocatsApr 17, 20181 votes

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chipndip1Apr 17, 20183 votes

Idk why you don't get my point on Janna: Janna just encompasses damn near everything ANY Enchanter would be picked for, save Karma. That's why she's the only Enchanter that matters in pro play. Only time we'll see any OTHER Enchanter is in a Janna meta, and in that meta we'll see nothing but Janna, anyway. When it isn't a Janna meta, she's the only relevant Enchanter anyway. How is that not a problem?

Just cause it isn't op now doesn't mean it isn't a problem.

Step Sis LuxApr 17, 20181 votes

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Idk why you don't get my point on Janna: Janna just encompasses damn near everything ANY Enchanter would be picked for, save Karma. That's why she's the only Enchanter that matters in pro play. Only time we'll see any OTHER Enchanter is in a Janna meta, and in that meta we'll see nothing but Janna, anyway. When it isn't a Janna meta, she's the only relevant Enchanter anyway. How is that not a problem?

Just cause it isn't op now doesn't mean it isn't a problem.

I saw more nami than janna in lcs right now tbh

chipndip1Apr 17, 20182 votes

That's super recent, though, although the nerfs to Janna might FINALLY be kicking in that sphere, it wasn't up until now.

AhristocatsApr 17, 20183 votes

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chipndip1Apr 17, 20184 votes

Morgana: Catcher Rakan: Catcher Karma: I said "besides Karma"

We've done this song and dance too many times, Rubick. I may not be Challenger tier, but my head's on straight. Let's not go down that path again.

I've also looked at Janna's rates plenty on that site. You just recently linked the Spring Playoffs stats, which just started. There are other 2018 stats that show Janna as the only Enchanter on the entire list, save Karma and the spare Lulu game, like the NA LCS Spring 2018 tab or the EU LCS Spring 2018 tab, which shows Janna used 11 times.

And I did see what that guy said, that just cause something's good in solo queue doesn't mean it's broken. Janna's still an issue IN RELATION TO OTHER ENCHANTERS.

AhristocatsApr 18, 20181 votes

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chipndip1Apr 18, 20184 votes

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yea, hide yourself behind riot's shitty classification even when morgana does 100% what janna does but better, is able to have offensive AND defensive power, has laning phase that isn't shit against good players, and most of all is a threat by herself

We already did this with Galio: Morgana is not an Enchanter, so when I say "IN COMPARISON TO ENCHANTERS", why on Earth would I be talking about Morgana, the Catcher?

With that logic, we'd be comparing Sona to Blitzcrank. Besides, Morgana doesn't do what Janna does. Morgana prevents cc outright, and her peel after an engage is rather poor unless you have one person to worry about. Janna repeatedly prevents engage/follow-up from even a multitude of champions. That's totally different. Idk why I have to type this out. You know this already.

do that it's going to change the truth

Bruh you're the guy saying Morgana's and Rakan are Enchanters...

OnecimusApr 18, 20181 votes

Wow, this thread is basically just full of people complaining about the supports that they don't know how to play against.

I agree with the OP that it's kind of boring to only see a couple of supports picked every game. I like seeing dynamic picks or varied stuff. I don't agree that tanks are super duper OP atm. I would say that is mainly an issue in pro play.

They've been nerfing Relic Shield so much recently (I think there's been two recent nerfs to it?) that my gold income as Nami is typically at least double what there's is early game.

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yea, hide yourself behind riot's shitty classification even when morgana does 100% what janna does but better, is able to have offensive AND defensive power, has laning phase that isn't shit against good players, and most of all is a threat by herself

do that it's going to change the truth

How on earth does Morgana do everything Janna does but better? Morgana's roams and map presence are not nearly as prevalent due to Janna's move speed. Morgana cannot displace an entire team with her ult (debatable, sure, but it doesn't. And Morgana's can be cleansed or QSSd easier) while also healing her whole team. Nor can she knock up several enemies at once with her Q. Nor can she shield against all damage.

I'm also not saying Morgana isn't good. But in no way is what she does comparable to Janna.

The Great DuckApr 18, 20181 votes

LOL they've nerfed Relic shield like what, 3 times now, as well as their masteries. The only two tanks that are any issue at all atm are probably Alistar and Leona . All of the other old school picks like Thresh (and sometimes Blitz) are shit. Braum is pretty niche and he just got nerfed. TahmKench is getting nerfed this patch. And that's pretty much it. They're ass atm when you can just play a mindless champ like Nami who can make picks like tank supports but provide useful utility like uber-strong healing or shields at safe ranges.

chipndip1Apr 18, 20181 votes

Braum and Tahm are at the top of the meta atm?

How is Nami, of all Enchanters, the mindless one?

Nami doesn't have a shield?

TafneApr 18, 20181 votes

In pro play they are, Doesnt exactly translate to soloq.

The Great DuckApr 19, 20181 votes

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Braum and Tahm are at the top of the meta atm?

How is Nami, of all Enchanters, the mindless one?

Nami doesn't have a shield?

You press W and that's really all you have to do for the most part. Long as you don't mindlessly spam your spells that champ hard-carries a bot lane.

chipndip1Apr 19, 20181 votes

If you lose lane to a Nami that's only using W then you have more hindering your success than Nami, and it's nothing a nerf's gonna fix.

The Great DuckApr 19, 20181 votes

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If you lose lane to a Nami that's only using W then you have more hindering your success than Nami, and it's nothing a nerf's gonna fix.

It's a free trade from a very safe range that heals like 1/5 of her or the ADC's health. That's just aside from her equally huge auto attack range and stupid mana regen which all adds up to a braindead champion I recommend to every new support because it's just that forgiving.

chipndip1Apr 19, 20181 votes

If you lose lane to a Nami that's only using W then you have more hindering your success than Nami, and it's nothing a nerf's gonna fix.

Remains true regardless of how much you try to blow a singular basic spell out of proportion.

OnecimusApr 18, 20181 votes

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LOL they've nerfed Relic shield like what, 3 times now, as well as their masteries. The only two tanks that are any issue at all atm are probably and . All of the other old school picks like Thresh (and sometimes Blitz) are shit. Braum is pretty niche and he just got nerfed. is getting nerfed this patch. And that's pretty much it. They're ass atm when you can just play a mindless champ like who can make picks like tank supports but provide useful utility like uber-strong healing or shields at safe ranges.

Have you ever tried playing Nami? Just because someone doesn't stand in the front line and take blows to the head doesn't mean they are mindless.