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Reworked Darius is a huge nerf to early game, and reduces his usefulness over all.

Matthew100x··2 votes·2,971 views

I have a few issues with darius right now that applies for all of his abilities except his W.

Now i use to play darius alot, i stopped playing him because he was too faceroll and unfun to play as. So i stopped, now i tried him again, and i promise you i won't be playing him for awhile until atleast one or two issues are addressed that is severely undermining him right now.

Darius's Passive: Hemorrhage, this is actually fine, small nerf to overall damage but not bad, my bleed was arguably doing most of the damage to enemy champs unfortunately. I do however like the new boost to his ult, that was decent.

Darius's Q: Decimate, huge nerf, holy whales this ability is near useless! I played against a pantheon, whom i use to lane fairly well against, and i did next to no damage to him. This Q's nerf reduced the base damage while increasing the scaling and giving you a heal at the cost of it having a .75 second warmup. Darius didn't need the heal, which is near useless in fights unless its a teamfight, and instead got an ability that can be dodged that does less damage when it hits. This thing use to be my favorite tool of trading, because it didn't allow the opponent any fair trade. Now however due to its reduced damage and chance of missing, the enemy can poke me, dodge my q, then all in me because i don't have anything else in my arsenal to stop him. Even if the Q does hit, it doesn't do alot of damage, the amount i get healed goes away in about .5 seconds, and it doesn't apply a stack of Hemorrhage. IT basically the equation to lose a trade especially if the person your fighting wishes to all in you. To be honest i rather have an insta cast Q then a healing Q.

Darius's W: Crippling Strike, i like this ability to be truthful, but the duration is a bit low and while it helps me catch up to the enemy, it doesn't let me stick to the guy.

Darius's E: Bullshit.. I mean Apprehend, now i know how bullshit this ability, it really is a dumb ability because there wan't alot of ways to escape it. But honestly that was probably the most iconic thing about darius because he'd pull you in and dunk you. Now when you use the ability, it feels alot weaker because you can't pull people as far as you use too (because they were in range but escaped) and its just not the same.

Darius's Ultimate: Bullshit Version 2... I mean Noxian Guillotine, now listen Riot, i honestly understand where you were going with this and its a really good idea. But his early game ult at level 6 is unbearably weak. At level 11 and 16 its better, but with Black Cleaver i would only be able to do [b]293[/b] true damage at level 6, massive understaement in damage. But wiat there's more, i only do that amount of damage IF i get all 5 stacks of Hemorrhage which isn't easy because your q doesn't apply a stack. You can't expect us to be able to land 5 auto attacks before there able to escape from us if the champion doesn't have any stick beyond the W and E. HOWEVER, BLOODLUST IS REALLY BROKEN, if you can manage to kill someone with this ult (which is hard, trust me) then you can run around and apply instant 5 stacks and murder people. HOWEVER, sorry again, it should be noted that until he's level 11 or 16, his ult doesn't do the damage needed for it to really be worth head diving the enemy.

Overall its a nerf to darius, especially to his early game where he can't trade anymore. Comment your ideas and criticism that you have at this thread. Thanks for reading.

19 Comments

SS Enforcer2 votes

Allow me to translate:

I Can't play Darius, must be the designers fault.

Matthew100x2 votes

I disagree with an opinion, and i want to be an ass about it.

RektM8ys2 votes

You must play Teemo or kiss Riot's butt

Radnar the bold1 votes

I cant play until later, but Im a garen main, so Im curios to see how Garen is affected. I know they bumped up his E and his R, but the nerf to his Q may be an issue. As for daruis I just started playing as him, but on the pbe his Q was very easy to escape, I would just q with garen (run away, then run back in when his q was over).

LoLKiru1 votes

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I cant play until later, but Im a garen main, so Im curios to see how Garen is affected. I know they bumped up his E and his R, but the nerf to his Q may be an issue. As for daruis I just started playing as him, but on the pbe his Q was very easy to escape, I would just q with garen (run away, then run back in when his q was over).

To be fair, its easy to escape with Garen; because he can remove slows. It becomes nearly impossible to dodge if he slows you (and you don't use an escape / slow cleanse)

Q can also be landed pretty easily from what I've seen, if the enemy happens to walk too closely to you (you can cast Q and simply move in time with them so that they're still in the AoE during your blade swing)

Radnar the bold1 votes

I meant for of the nerf to the silence, that was a great ability in teamfights. The E is always a first max choice and im happy it got some buffs. But the nerf to the silence is going to be intrsting.

Matthew100x2 votes

Exactly, and you could just simply walk out off aa range, if darius wanted his Q to hit, he'd need to run up to the guy. If the guy didn't want to take the damage he could rush darius and take the reduced damage of an already reduced damage q from the rework. It just doesn't work.

Radnar the bold1 votes

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Exactly, and you could just simply walk out off aa range, if darius wanted his Q to hit, he'd need to run up to the guy. If the guy didn't want to take the damage he could rush darius and take the reduced damage of an already reduced damage q from the rework. It just doesn't work.

The q was always the "bam take that damage" for daruis, but I think they have a cast time now, because riot is like "we would rather make his longer cast time so you can get that health buff fromt he Q".....honestly I think they ar ejust trying to make him how garen should be built, which is to have like one-two damage items and all tank.

BattleOxe1 votes

I believe it's skill match up. True, garen can avoid your Q, but once his combo is our, you can pull him back and make him eat all of your abilities. You get sustain from playing agressive, garen gains sustain from playing passive. So, I guess it's finally a skill match-up

Radnar the bold1 votes

Oh its always been a skill matchup, but Daruis used to be able to Q when a Garen was in range, but yes it all depends on how skilled the two are. I think a daruis vs Garen lane should be intresting (since I always used the Q silence to make sure Daruis couldnt do any special moves).

BattleOxe1 votes

I actually played Darius vs Garen with friend. I won (darius) due to outplay, but he had unfair advantage of having me as villian always (since it was 1vs1) so he dealt a lot of true DMG (that wouldn't hapen in 5vs5, atleast not every time), Although it was always skill match up, darius always had slight edge.

Radnar the bold1 votes

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I actually played Darius vs Garen with friend. I won (darius) due to outplay, but he had unfair advantage of having me as villian always (since it was 1vs1) so he dealt a lot of true DMG (that wouldn't hapen in 5vs5, atleast not every time), Although it was always skill match up, darius always had slight edge.

I agree, if the daruis and Garen are equally skilled, then Daruis will win (due to the bleed, the pull, and slightly more damage) Garen has better sustain, for no mana and health regen. If Garen builds more armour than daruis, than garen will win. My favorite memory with garen is when I ulted a daruis mid R jump.

BattleOxe1 votes

Well, I don't think damage on Q was changed a lot. It got buufed late game. But that 0.75 seconds cast time kinda destroyed every harass you could possibly land. If you miss, enemy all in you. If you hit, you better all in enemy because he could heal up while you hit your next Q. Ult did get nerf, so you can't 1vs2 people at lvl 6 anymore. But new passive is broken. I played with friend, 1vs1, and once you stack it 5 times, amount of AD you get is just insane. Enough to make up for any damage nerf. Actually, if you're under bloodrage, you deal more damage than old darius. Much like renekton. Your abilities deal low DMG generally, but under right circumstances (bloodrage) damage jumps to the roof. Only problem is, 80% champs you face won't fight long enough to let you activate bloodrage. So, although it wasn't either buff or nerf in damage(IMHO), it takes much longer to rack up damage, which is difficult with current level of mobility champs. Just my thoughts

O Fallen Scholar1 votes

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I have a few issues with darius right now that applies for all of his abilities except his W.

Now i use to play darius alot, i stopped playing him because he was too faceroll and unfun to play as. So i stopped, now i tried him again, and i promise you i won't be playing him for awhile until atleast one or two issues are addressed that is severely undermining him right now.

Darius's Passive: Hemorrhage, this is actually fine, small nerf to overall damage but not bad, my bleed was arguably doing most of the damage to enemy champs unfortunately. I do however like the new boost to his ult, that was decent.

Darius's Q: Decimate, huge nerf, holy whales this ability is near useless! I played against a pantheon, whom i use to lane fairly well against, and i did next to no damage to him. This Q's nerf reduced the base damage while increasing the scaling and giving you a heal at the cost of it having a .75 second warmup. Darius didn't need the heal, which is near useless in fights unless its a teamfight, and instead got an ability that can be dodged that does less damage when it hits. This thing use to be my favorite tool of trading, because it didn't allow the opponent any fair trade. Now however due to its reduced damage and chance of missing, the enemy can poke me, dodge my q, then all in me because i don't have anything else in my arsenal to stop him. Even if the Q does hit, it doesn't do alot of damage, the amount i get healed goes away in about .5 seconds, and it doesn't apply a stack of Hemorrhage. IT basically the equation to lose a trade especially if the person your fighting wishes to all in you. To be honest i rather have an insta cast Q then a healing Q.

Darius's W: Crippling Strike, i like this ability to be truthful, but the duration is a bit low and while it helps me catch up to the enemy, it doesn't let me stick to the guy.

Darius's E: Bullshit.. I mean Apprehend, now i know how bullshit this ability, it really is a dumb ability because there wan't alot of ways to escape it. But honestly that was probably the most iconic thing about darius because he'd pull you in and dunk you. Now when you use the ability, it feels alot weaker because you can't pull people as far as you use too (because they were in range but escaped) and its just not the same.

Darius's Ultimate: Bullshit Version 2... I mean Noxian Guillotine, now listen Riot, i honestly understand where you were going with this and its a really good idea. But his early game ult at level 6 is unbearably weak. At level 11 and 16 its better, but with Black Cleaver i would only be able to do [b]293[/b] true damage at level 6, massive understaement in damage. But wiat there's more, i only do that amount of damage IF i get all 5 stacks of Hemorrhage which isn't easy because your q doesn't apply a stack. You can't expect us to be able to land 5 auto attacks before there able to escape from us if the champion doesn't have any stick beyond the W and E. HOWEVER, BLOODLUST IS REALLY BROKEN, if you can manage to kill someone with this ult (which is hard, trust me) then you can run around and apply instant 5 stacks and murder people. HOWEVER, sorry again, it should be noted that until he's level 11 or 16, his ult doesn't do the damage needed for it to really be worth head diving the enemy.

Overall its a nerf to darius, especially to his early game where he can't trade anymore. Comment your ideas and criticism that you have at this thread. Thanks for reading.

I played him 5 games in team builder. He is pretty decent with these new items. You are doing something wrong.

Matthew100x2 votes

Its not that he's bad, but he's much much weaker then what he used to be. It was a nerf especially to his Q.

DarkLordBruce1 votes

Why the riot ? First Fiora now Darius ? These new rework for some of these champs are unnecessary and reducing the ability to early trade. Now riven and Renekton players can kill them a lot earlier before 6 without worrying about any huge trade from them cause how slow this rework has made them . R.I.P (Fiora & Darius)Nidalee

cPlmPiCGyr1 votes

Buff to low elo Darius players. Free heals! Try him in plat or higher and you get destroyed. Unless they have no escapes.

cPlmPiCGyr1 votes

Noxian Might is really good for 1v2ing, but it only works if the enemy is bad or one of them is low hp. It's honestly funny when I see lvl 3 lee coming to gank me top and Level 5 nasus goes in and I kill both of them.

AHeroNamedHawke1 votes

Darius is a million times better now fam

Yeah he autowon a lot of matchups pre rework, but he barely scaled and was a huge liability to his team post 25 min, needing to take kills to function in fights while not putting the gold to good use

Btw you're not adding his passive damage boost into the ult number, the one displayed doesnt take into account the bonus AD from Noxian Might

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