How the reworks deal with player feedback

Malicious Metal·Aug 8, 2015·201 votes·22,840 views

Darius: Static actually discusses the changes with the testers and even goes as far as to try and buff Darius step by step to avoid making him either OP or UP

Garen RiotRepertoir might just be the diamond in the rough amongst those handling these four reworks. He handles player feedback quite well, actually addressing things like garen's E crits and his formerly reduced movement speed while approaching champions. Not only this but he kept the champion's theme and overall gameplay pattern pretty much the same but improved in healthiness and actual interesting Mechanics.

Skarner Also dealt with by RiotRepertoir. The rework may be a mess but he's really trying to improve upon it by buffing scarier outside of his spires so that he won't be useless outside the jungle. Even though these are baby steps I'm optimistic that Skarner might not get dumpstered by them.

And finally Mordekaiser CertainlyT's basically going al "Lalalalalalala Can't hear you over all the fucks I don't give" Seriously! When the hell do we even have the PBE and Boards and especially one PBE Mega thread on these changes when he doesn't even bother showing up and actually listening to the testers/the community on what they think about this stuff?

Tl;DR Riot (CertainlyT in particular) should work on their communication skills and actually listens to Feedback a tad more

283 Comments

Cowgirl EdAug 8, 2015163 votes

certainlyt should be fired thread? upvote

Bouffon dAnglaisAug 8, 201545 votes

I don't think they should fire him. I don't like his choices in designing champions, but I wouldn't go as far as getting him fired.

Ace Access Aug 8, 201514 votes

he's just needs to change his designs for new champs and reworks

AtheosisXAug 8, 201563 votes

The difference between Morde and the other three reworks, in terms of listening to player feedback and actually making adjustments, is really rather stark isn't it? CertainlyT clearly has no fucks to give on the matter. He's going to make Morde into a bot laner and all the Morde mains can go sit and spin for all he cares.

Malicious MetalAug 8, 201536 votes

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The difference between Morde and the other three reworks, in terms of listening to player feedback and actually making adjustments, is really rather stark isn't it? CertainlyT clearly has no fucks to give on the matter. He's going to make Morde into a bot laner and all the Morde mains can go sit and spin for all he cares.

The underlying problem here is that he doesn't give a damn about either Mordekaiser or his Fanbase. If someone else would be in charge of his rework they'd probably try to keep his identity but actually make him healthier/fix his issues rather than putting him bot so that they can simply leave him there to die.

=>There's nothing on the line for CertainlyT, he'll get his paycheck and apparently he couldn't give two shits about Morde even though two of his babies are also Shadow Isles champions

Blue Moon WolfAug 8, 20155 votes

Is he the reason for Kalista ? 'cause I have a few words for him if he is... If I had my way, mord would be left alone so efforts could be made to give him a VU. the most that would happen with his abilities would be me going on to the Boards, looking at some good ideas for a way to make his abilities better without changing them too much and go from there. I really don't see them going through with this. With this much hate for at least the mord change, I suspect they'll at least postpone it till they can find a way to use it without pissing everyone off.

Avios1Aug 8, 201524 votes

Yes, CertaintlyT made Kalista, the wretched bane of us all.

BeoridasAug 8, 201555 votes

Lets be honest here guys. Ive read the thread with certainly T. He was there to get feedback and help. Stattik and repertoir said they are brainstorming together to find solutions. But when Certainly T came in the forums...it was a maaassssiiiveee hate fest. People telling him out of nowhere to quit his job. That hes a *ock sucker, lots of insults--personal insults. As much as some wants to hate him: Thresh playerbase is huge; People love the champ, its a good champ. People love darius: we can even go to the thread, and its ironic how the people wants their beloved darius--CertainlyT champ--to then give the biggest F U ive seen given to someone un deserved or unprovoked on his morde thread and talk trash about his champs. Hes a freakin human being.

As much as people say yasuo is cancer: I think mechanics, interactions is always a good thing in league. Yasuo has several passive for instance. But it doesnt matter how many strenghts or weaknesses he has overall: as long as all the trade offs; counterplay; difficulty etcc are there its fine. There is many characters in the moba world who has tons of abilities. OVerloaded is just a word made up by ppl to always complain about a champ in the broadest way possible. (a bit like straw man arguments) Lets not forget the designers arent the one choosing the numbers for their stats.

I also think his champions are very very thematically sound and believable. Hes very good at making you feel and appreciate a champ and connected to its personality.

It doesnt mean Morde changes are good. But i can see some good reasonings for the abilities he gives him (thematics) But i would be angry too if he changed my olaf, kass, ryze to the point they are too different or just flat out suck. But he still deserve respect and appreciation for the good stuff hes done. He has talent. Perhaps if we werent just flat out immature and treating him like garbage--he would have talked and listened more.

DecritAug 8, 201515 votes

^ this, this and this again.

He probably is not the best at communicating, but it tries and has talent, and dropping in a boards full of hostile people that only want to shit on him does not help at all in any case.

So i am giving him trust. Somebody here can say that there is no reason to give that, and i say there is no reason to give not. I am a Morde fan, i am concerned, i spoke my concern, i see the good and i see the bad and i spoke about that too, and if ulterior cases arise i will speak again too. And i recognize CT and his team as far more competent of any group of players and commenters out there. They might be wrong, they might pick decisions we don' t like, but so goes designing and changing stuff.

No new update about Morde has arisen yet - either because he is working on an hard champion ( because morde is an hard champion to work on ) or because he is not giving a shit, make your own headcanon - and when they will come i will speak myself again, until it comes out.

And then i might be angry, or sad, or happy - but during that i will treat him as a fucking human being.

ArkenStormAug 8, 201514 votes

honestly if his w was castable on self/minions the rework would be workable and acceptable. even if it had a lesser effect, morde would not be dumpstered

DecritAug 8, 20158 votes

Friggin agree - is the same thing i said under the morde changes thread!

This not only keeps part of his original gameplay and feel, but is just so cohesive tematically: he is a commander, as long he has minions ( or supports) he is stronger, and i like that.

I also proposed that, in case of death, the targeted minion becomes a ghastly immortal version of it until the effects expires, but probably that is too much farfetched...

Malicious MetalAug 8, 20158 votes

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Lets be honest here guys. Ive read the thread with certainly T. He was there to get feedback and help. Stattik and repertoir said they are brainstorming together to find solutions. But when Certainly T came in the forums...it was a maaassssiiiveee hate fest. People telling him out of nowhere to quit his job. That hes a *ock sucker, lots of insults--personal insults. As much as some wants to hate him: Thresh playerbase is huge; People love the champ, its a good champ. People love darius: we can even go to the thread, and its ironic how the people wants their beloved darius--CertainlyT champ--to then give the biggest F U ive seen given to someone un deserved or unprovoked on his morde thread and talk trash about his champs. Hes a freakin human being.

As much as people say yasuo is cancer: I think mechanics, interactions is always a good thing in league. Yasuo has several passive for instance. But it doesnt matter how many strenghts or weaknesses he has overall: as long as all the trade offs; counterplay; difficulty etcc are there its fine. There is many characters in the moba world who has tons of abilities. OVerloaded is just a word made up by ppl to always complain about a champ in the broadest way possible. (a bit like straw man arguments) Lets not forget the designers arent the one choosing the numbers for their stats.

I also think his champions are very very thematically sound and believable. Hes very good at making you feel and appreciate a champ and connected to its personality.

It doesnt mean Morde changes are good. But i can see some good reasonings for the abilities he gives him (thematics) But i would be angry too if he changed my olaf, kass, ryze to the point they are too different or just flat out suck. But he still deserve respect and appreciation for the good stuff hes done. He has talent. Perhaps if we werent just flat out immature and treating him like garbage--he would have talked and listened more.

That seems to be the common trend to anything CertainlyT related. People hate his champs and then treat him like shit. I for once do not enjoy playing versus his champions but have to acknowledge that they hit the nail on the head in terms of thematics and overall feel, albeit being a tad too annoying. Still, I wouldn't want him to be fired but rather be a bit more open about player feedback. I hate the majority of the Mordekaiser changes but with some community input this rework could become one of the greatest! Just because people bash him as a designer doesn't mean that he shouldn't listen to anybody anymore. He should assemble some people who aren't biased due to his prior creations but want to provide CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK/CRITICISM.

@CertainlyT Don't condemn a champion due to people bashing you as a designer. You actually have some great ideas but your execution is lacking at some points. Don't let the dreams of a better, badder Morde be dreams.

Just DO IT! Listen to our Feedback!

Knight SoIaire Aug 8, 201520 votes

They should slap certainlyT first

i watched this guy speak at some riots design panel he is like a kid ... making stuff that feels cool for him ... and you know what kids find cool ... being simply stronger than others

so his vision of thresh was a champion who is a support a tank and a carry all at once ... can be played everywhere with succes

the rest of the team that designed thresh had to hold him back from creating what he wanted

while he became popular for being innovative ... he had his bad traits in the past already now other designers seem to just learned from him ... but they learned what was good about him and discarded the rest

certainlyT isn't a good designer anymore ... he needs to improove

Crowe StalkerAug 8, 201518 votes

OP has it on the mark, Upvoted.

Fire CertainlyT, he has no clue what he's talking about or doing.

IcyPepperAug 8, 201524 votes

Apparently Mordekaiser, with basically 0 mobility or cc (I mean, there's like a MS boost, I guess?), is too unhealthy to balance for solo lane.

Said by this guy.

Honestly, Gypsylord probably would have done a better job. I'd rather Morde have some 3 stacks mechanic over being forced bot lane.

edit: Wait... he already does...

Ulquiorra995Aug 8, 20153 votes

Wait wait wait, Mordekaiser, a champion with 0 mobility and no CC, but with durability and damage to compensate is considered too unhealthy for solo lane by CertainlyT?

Hmm... That kind of champion sounds familiar...cough Darius cough

Hypocrisy much, CertainlyT?

Robert SmithAug 8, 20159 votes

Technically he has a slow and pull

OmegaTree119Aug 8, 201511 votes

He can pull you though a goddamn flash. That's some heavy CC.

TurquoiseYoshiAug 8, 201518 votes

One thing I like about RiotRepertoir is that I've actually seen a thread on which he responded to a comment: "I'm the guy who's in charge of reworking Garen. What do you not like about him?" It's cool that he looks into all feedback and asks specifically for what people don't like.

CertainlyT, on the other hand, tell people that if you're getting kited as Morde, you should find a teammate to keep you from getting kited, instead of giving Morde a way to counter kiting.

Crowe StalkerAug 8, 201515 votes

'Mordekaiser's building item 3078 item 2053 item 3009 to keep people from kiting him? Let me take a hammer to his knees to 'fix' that instead of addressing why he needs two mobility items in addition to boots.'

TurquoiseYoshiAug 8, 20155 votes

Morde took an arrow to the knee.

ArkenStormAug 8, 20157 votes

STAHP

RiotRiotRepertoirAug 8, 201562 votes

CertainlyT, on the other hand, tell people that if you're getting kited as Morde, you should find a teammate to keep you from getting kited, instead of giving Morde a way to counter kiting.

I think it's possible that the direction of the tone in Morde's PBE thread toward angry or spiteful has started to make it seem like any decision CertainlyT makes on the character doesn't make sense, which is just not the case.

Mordekaiser is a very difficult champion to work on without just changing the entire kit, and that wasn't an option for the character at the time. He has a lot of glaring weaknesses in his kit, including being easily kited. As a player or fan of Morde, it might seem exciting that an update to the champion might attempt to heavily mitigate those weaknesses. However, the design on Morde is an approach of actually embracing those weaknesses and heavily rewarding the player if they manage to overcome them via teamwork and/or clever play. For that to work, it's incredibly important that the reward be there. That said, I can understand it being difficult to see that payoff when it looks like the character is changing so much, and doubts are natural in this case.

Morde is being pushed toward a duo lane/jungle experience because it's fitting for a character with his strength/weakness profile to team up with someone and take on the world together, not for novelty's sake. I've seen the games where Mordekaiser and duo partner are smashing bot lanes and taking dragons, and Morde's third Q hit is chunking people for half their health bar. Though I think there's a lot of shock value to all the changes he's undergoing, the end result should be a pretty fun (albeit different) play experience.

*Edit I'd like to take the time to respond to some of this stuff, but I'll be unavailable for most of the day. Hopefully tonight.

sp441Aug 8, 201529 votes

It's less about shock and more about the fact that they're completely changing his gameplay identity to fit into some sort of weird meta-breaking format that, let's face it, will be played a couple of times for the novelty of being new before being ignored forever because there's no godamn reason to pick a slow, immobile, low-damage champion instead of an actual ADC. If you want to have a bruiser on Bot lane just pick Urgot, at the very least he won't be bullied out of the lane before the five-minute mark because his ranged capabilities are laughable.

Also doesn't help that he's being worked on by CertainT, who said that he is "toxic in solo lanes" after being the one to design Yasuo, Kalista, Zed, and Darius. Champions that have caused more venom than an orgy of Black Adders.

TheRainInSpainAug 8, 201510 votes

Meta-breaking is fine IF THERE WERE MORE CHAMPIONS FOR IT. Morde is literally the only melee carry officially designed for a duo lane now, and he's not even a traditional damage type. "ADC" is Attack Damage Carry. Morde is AP. That's what makes me pissed off. I'm all for melee carries, and melee AP carries. But the sole melee carry is AP? >.>

That, and gutting him because a full level rework wasn't thought of or people too lazy to do, and someone had a Pentakill fetish.

Mistress MadokaAug 8, 201511 votes

How I feel about the boards:

CertainlyT Responds to feedback: "OMG U suk certanlyt rito pls fire"

RiotRepertoir Responds to Feedback: -sips tea- "I do say, that was well versed and I appreciate you taking the time to respond."

I feel like something is wrong here...

Baron of BreadAug 8, 201517 votes

As others have said in various places, we feel Repertoir listens whereas CertainlyT just talks more. CertainlyT may listen, but we feel like he doesn't; he just explains why he is doing what he is doing without showing any regard to why we think that is wrong.

MajorPain9Aug 8, 201513 votes

However, the design on Morde is an approach of actually embracing those weaknesses and heavily rewarding the player if they manage to overcome them via teamwork and/or clever play.

Hold on a fricken second.

Just stop.

Skarner was orignally REWORKED because of this exact issue. He was a Feast or Famine champion easily kited, but if he some how managed to get to you good luck ever getting away.

Riot said this was bad for gameplay and immediately destroyed his identity even though the skarner fanbase had to fight tooth and nail against the original rework.

Why is feast or famine an ok thing now? And if it is, can we get the original Skarner back instead of these rocks?

Hinagiku33Aug 9, 20156 votes

This is hardly the first time

In Kat's rework years ago, they took out her utility (non-damage) W which buffed her next Q or E and confused basically everyone by saying it was because having to choose a skill to enhance felt bad and instead gave her vastly reduced utility on every use and gave her another damage ability

A few months later with Karma's total overhaul, they took away her ability to combo 2 Mantra charges for her 3 abilities by saying what fun gameplay she would have making you pick only one skill to enhance

Then they made champions like Rengar

Believe me, Riot has been schizophrenic for a loooong time

Malicious MetalAug 8, 201525 votes

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I think it's possible that the direction of the tone in Morde's PBE thread toward angry or spiteful has started to make it seem like any decision CertainlyT makes on the character doesn't make sense, which is just not the case.

Mordekaiser is a very difficult champion to work on without just changing the entire kit, and that wasn't an option for the character at the time. He has a lot of glaring weaknesses in his kit, including being easily kited. As a player or fan of Morde, it might seem exciting that an update to the champion might attempt to heavily mitigate those weaknesses. However, the design on Morde is an approach of actually embracing those weaknesses and heavily rewarding the player if they manage to overcome them via teamwork and/or clever play. For that to work, it's incredibly important that the reward be there. That said, I can understand it being difficult to see that payoff when it looks like the character is changing so much, and doubts are natural in this case.

Morde is being pushed toward a duo lane/jungle experience because it's fitting for a character with his strength/weakness profile to team up with someone and take on the world together, not for novelty's sake. I've seen the games where Mordekaiser and duo partner are smashing bot lanes and taking dragons, and Morde's third Q hit is chunking people for half their health bar. Though I think there's a lot of shock value to all the changes he's undergoing, the end result should be a pretty fun (albeit different) play experience.

Yeah sure, not like it inherently clashes with his whole thematic aspect as well as alienating all the fans of the Master of Metal and those who loved him as the Heavy Metal mage he was? He was THE 1v5 machine and the best choice to rework into a real Juggernaut: -Slow -Lumbering -Heavy Damage -Tanky as Hell -Imposing

And NOT being an overglorified Oddball pick! I know, I may sound really really angry, but this is not the only emotion I'm feeling, only playing this game for Mordekaiser! I feel betrayed, disgust, hate, spite, nothingness, depression and overall a feeling of you at riot not really caring for us who enjoy the champion and his themes.

My last plea is to simply disable him entirely and work on something deeper, heck Sion rework would be great to get him in line to be healthy and still stay true to his themes as the GODDAMN MASTER OF METAL!

Sorry about my temper but It's really frustrating and depressing for me to lose the only godforsaken reason I play this game.

aperson1Aug 8, 201511 votes

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Mordekaiser is a very difficult champion to work on without just changing the entire kit, and that wasn't an option for the character at the time.

Out of curiosity, what does "wasn't an option" mean? You make it sound like a bigger rework was going to happen but fell through.

RiotRiotRepertoirAug 8, 201549 votes

Mordekaiser long term could probably use a Sion-level rework, but as you guys know, that line is pretty long right now...

AuryielAug 8, 201535 votes

Yeah, but it's pretty fucking bad when to most people who actually like the champion no change is better than the changes you have planned.

This rework simply spits on all Morde fans.

I'm just glad I don't have a main and that I enjoy a variety of champions, because after what has been done to Karma, Cass and now Morde, 3 champs I used to love, I am very afraid of any future changes. You simply take a champion and completely dismantle them with no regards whatsoever to what makes them enjoyable while at the same time keeping well known cancer champions like Irelia intact.

RetillinAug 8, 201525 votes

I think we all would have waiting as opposed to what we are receiving.

sp441Aug 8, 201523 votes

Then dumpster this rework and just buff his base health regen or something. Putting Mordekaiser in the garbage bin until about 3 years when you guys finally have the time to address him is not a good course of action.

SolaxoAug 9, 201511 votes

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Then dumpster this rework and just buff his base health regen or something. Putting Mordekaiser in the garbage bin until about 3 years when you guys finally have the time to address him is not a good course of action.

Riot admitting their mistakes? Never!

Goodnight NunuAug 8, 201510 votes

This whole argument about "embracing" the weakness of a character is just so counter productive. You know morde players have to deal with being kited, you know they're naturally worse off because of their limited range, yet the rework nerfs both his movement speed and his range on his ult, the only spell that actually was effective against long range on him. Instead of "embracing" his weaknesses, why not make some of his oppressive abilities less oppressive and improve on his kit in other areas? I get that the "juggernauts" are meant to be slow but deadly in meele range, but Skarner, Darius and Garen all have some way to get to their target. Darius has his E, Garen his Q, Skarner his W/E, etc. Instead of giving Morde the means to be effective on his own, you effectively force him into playing a role NO Morde player has EVER wanted to fill. And the argument about finding teammates that overcome his weakness of being kited is just ridiculous. Even if you can prevent kiting in the laning phase, you will NEVER find a support that can keep you from getting kited from an ENTIRE TEAM. Not to mention, the other team probably has peel and CC aswell, making the third proc of your Q almost impossible to land. I get where you're coming from and what you're planning with the changes, I just think reimagining his role into that of bot lane is just really unrespectful of his playerbase. Why not really "entice" him into a duo lane, instead of taking away one skill simply because you're alone, making your solo lane really underwhelming, whereas it was pretty good before.

HeresyUntoFedexAug 8, 20155 votes

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I think it's possible that the direction of the tone in Morde's PBE thread toward angry or spiteful has started to make it seem like any decision CertainlyT makes on the character doesn't make sense, which is just not the case.

Mordekaiser is a very difficult champion to work on without just changing the entire kit, and that wasn't an option for the character at the time. He has a lot of glaring weaknesses in his kit, including being easily kited. As a player or fan of Morde, it might seem exciting that an update to the champion might attempt to heavily mitigate those weaknesses. However, the design on Morde is an approach of actually embracing those weaknesses and heavily rewarding the player if they manage to overcome them via teamwork and/or clever play. For that to work, it's incredibly important that the reward be there. That said, I can understand it being difficult to see that payoff when it looks like the character is changing so much, and doubts are natural in this case.

Morde is being pushed toward a duo lane/jungle experience because it's fitting for a character with his strength/weakness profile to team up with someone and take on the world together, not for novelty's sake. I've seen the games where Mordekaiser and duo partner are smashing bot lanes and taking dragons, and Morde's third Q hit is chunking people for half their health bar. Though I think there's a lot of shock value to all the changes he's undergoing, the end result should be a pretty fun (albeit different) play experience.

The problem is, current Mordekaiser rewards his weaknesses already if you get a favorable match up or opportunity. The rework nerfs him across the board, and makes it so he has to stay in a lane where there's almost guaranteed to be someone(the adc) who can poke him into nothingness. And where as may have a support to try and set up kills, the enemy adc will have one to make sure that never happens.

I agree that Morde needs a full rework, but since he is currently under powered as it is, there's no need to make him worse. He should be left alone till the time arises to come up with a more proper rework that will keep his identity and not turn him into some wierd adc substitute.

RozzetaAug 8, 201511 votes

Frankly speaking, I see only twoways this could end: Either it's a failure, and gets pushed out of all lanes by ranged champions, or it's a success and Morde cannot be moved out of bot lane.

In first case, he's likely going to end up the same as post rework Karma: A failed kit that's only strong in sheer numbers. In the secod case, he will inevitably nerfed in his durability (aka shield) as a result of this game's balance philosophy of rewarding offense rather than defense, thus further destroying his identity. Also, it's interesting how CertainlyT speaks as if Morde was going to be in a 2 vs 1 lane. He tasks people with finding a support that would allow Morde to catch up, but that'll also mean he needs to be against a support who can't do anything to stop him. Even pre 6 Sona can stop him with Tempo.

RetillinAug 8, 20155 votes

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Morde is being pushed toward a duo lane/jungle experience because it's fitting for a character with his strength/weakness profile to team up with someone and take on the world together, not for novelty's sake. I've seen the games where Mordekaiser and duo partner are smashing bot lanes and taking dragons, and Morde's third Q hit is chunking people for half their health bar. Though I think there's a lot of shock value to all the changes he's undergoing, the end result should be a pretty fun (albeit different) play experience.

No. This is just wrong. This is the NEW character strength/weakness/fantasy that CertainlyT is pushing. This is not the Mord that WAS. If Riot were to make a NEW character with this in mind, then go for it. People wouldn't mind and a lot would have cheered it. Mord is Sauron-ish in the Lord of the Rings movies. A single mage/villain with a heavy mace destroying armies. Now he needs someone to hold his hand.

You say " Mordekaiser is a very difficult champion to work on without just changing the entire kit". Well that's fine. Take your time and remake his whole kit. As it is, it looks very half assed.

And yes CertainlyT gets a lot of hate from the community. But a lot of that is due to the community finding his champions very toxic to play against. (Thresh/Kalista/Yas/ect...)

MathbalnaseAug 8, 201513 votes

Sympathy from a former Cass enthusiast.

MatezoideAug 8, 201511 votes

What i hate are all the Stealth nerfs Mordekaiser is getting on the Rework on his E and Ult.

E range nerfed by 25 and lost the bug that hurt enemies outside of it IF Mord began casting when they were inside. Ult losing 200 range Ghost's AD nerfed to 10/25/50 from 25/50/100

At least he buffed Mord's Ult damage by 1% compared to Live, but thats literally the one actual buff PBE Mord got compared to Live.

He obviously doesnt give a fuck about Mordekaiser or this rework.

Malicious MetalAug 8, 201511 votes

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What i hate are all the Stealth nerfs Mordekaiser is getting on the Rework on his E and Ult.

E range nerfed by 25 and lost the bug that hurt enemies outside of it IF Mord began casting when they were inside. Ult losing 200 range Ghost's AD nerfed to 10/25/50 from 25/50/100

At least he buffed Mord's Ult damage by 1% compared to Live, but thats literally the one actual buff PBE Mord got compared to Live.

He obviously doesnt give a fuck about Mordekaiser or this rework.

That's due to him considering him snickers too Unhealthy for the live game.

On a serious note, even I as a Morde main know he does have his issues but the rework doesn't even address those but simply force him bot and be done with it, patting each other on the back....

stuartk11Aug 8, 20159 votes

Damn, I wish there was more communication about the Morde rework. I'm not opposed to the ideas in it, even though I know a lot of players are (somewhat rightly) pissed at the role change. But the difference between communication of this rework and, say, the Darius rework is night and day. We have no idea if CertainlyT has any plans for changes, or if he acknowledges the concerns that have been raised, or if he even knows the strengths and weaknesses that his own design has. I hope for more communication before this is dropped in the next patch.

LuciferAug 8, 20159 votes

"CertainlyT's basically going al "Lalalalalalala Can't hear you over all the fucks I don't give"

That's been his philosophy since he was hired.

HeresyUntoFedexAug 8, 201516 votes

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"CertainlyT's basically going al "Lalalalalalala Can't hear you over all the fucks I don't give"

That's been his philosophy since he was hired.

-Honestly this.

CertainlyT almost never responds to negative feedback, no matter how informative or politely worded it is. But say you love that new champ during a QaA or Mordes Rework in the forum, and he'll pop out of no where for the free pats on the back.

That kind of behavior is unproductive, especially when you are litterly destroying a champions identity.

XIII VanitasAug 8, 20158 votes

I wouldn't be so harsh with CertainlyT. He's trying to give this game some variety and building a new path from nothing is not an easy thing to do. Mordekaiser mains are probably upset by these changes, but they should be patient and let testers experiment the rework. That's what the PBE is meant for.

jmaishereAug 8, 201513 votes

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I wouldn't be so harsh with CertainlyT. He's trying to give this game some variety and building a new path from nothing is not an easy thing to do. Mordekaiser mains are probably upset by these changes, but they should be patient and let testers experiment the rework. That's what the PBE is meant for.

except a number of people who've tested the PBE have also stated that the new morde sucks