Meta Question
So after watching allstars, I kinda had a question. Is Quinn meta right now? A meta champ? Also if taken into adc lane, can she beat a lucian?
So after watching allstars, I kinda had a question. Is Quinn meta right now? A meta champ? Also if taken into adc lane, can she beat a lucian?
depends on the skill of the Quinn and the Lucian but shes pretty strong In general right now
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depends on the skill of the Quinn and the Lucian but shes pretty strong In general right now
she a meta pick?
she a meta pick?
yes
if someone asks a question about champion strength, it always takes into consideration the same skill and the same setup.
quinn is shit and not viable in jungle
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if someone asks a question about champion strength, it always takes into consideration the same skill and the same setup.
quinn is shit and not viable in jungle
what fucking rube would take Quinn into the jungle
You'd be surprised at the teammates I get then.
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You'd be surprised at the teammates I get then.
I'm so sorry
you know nothing john snow!(always wanted to say that) quinn is a good jg not s class or t1 but not c, d, or f class or t200 either
you know, you can classify everything with as many numbers and letters as you want, but shit stays shit. her clear is simply not worthy of being a jungler and she doesnt get any advantage from jungling over laning. its same as akali jungle or so, there is no reason to do it. just because she can clear doesnt make her a jungler.
her clear is not bad actualy akali on the other hand is just no anyway quinn is a good jg not great yes but putting her and akali together is just unfair b/c akali does suck at jg. to simplify my "numbers and letter" for you i repeat she is a good jg not great yes but good non-the-less. i would not reject anyone playing her jg ill put it that way.
there is no gap between "not great but good" and "shit". if you play quinn and i play any really strong jungler you will not be able to play the game. i have the power to not let you play the game and thus your champ is not viable. quinn has a few moments where she can cheese but if those fail, its over. her first clear is too slow and weak and her following clears dont scale up good. her ganks are so-so and even tho her ultimate is really good once she gets fed, she simply cant get fed reliably. she is like kassadin in that she is really just a cheese champion.
did you try or did you watch someone else?
first, she became somewhat popular in jungle so i played multiple games against her and found it weird. why do people play her? she cant even clear. so i went and tried it and man, she cant fucking clear. go ahead and try doing a full clear with her and then compare it to any good jungler. do a full clear with lee sin, shyvana etc.
and its not just that but also how she scales. shyvanas first clear is one of the fastest in the games but all her subsequent clears are getting faster and faster and faster. she is a clearing monster and she scales mega good for skirmishes and duels. shes an extremely strong and scary champion and she can get strong RELIABLY because of how hard it is to counter jungle her and how little she relies on ganks to get her power.
quinn on the other hand clears like shit and she doesnt have good powerspikes upon completing the jungle item. she really needs about 2-3 items to be "strong" but thats allready lategame and its not like she outscales other junglers at that point, she just goes even at best.
her only advantage is that she has somewhat funny ganks with her ultimate but if the enemy jungler knows what hes doing, he wont let her abuse her ultimate. remember, having crazy good utility ultimates like pantheon and quinn is a strength but its also a weakness. in the end, they dont have a combat ULTIMATE so if they get forced into a close quarter fight with a strong champion who has an ultimate, they cant win that and if you utilize your advantage, their champ is just too weak physically to be viable. like, its not even a question of skill, the champ itself doesnt possess the physical capabilities to fill their role.
also, quinns biggest strength is that she has range, high damage and very good speed/kiting so she is a real threat in a lane against a melee opponent. if you dont use that strength (mainly in toplane), she goes to waste. in my eyes, quinn is a toplaner AT BEST.
all right i see your point and have no counter points of my own but this is not going to stop anyone from playing her in jg. and there is a question of skill but i will not go there b/c im not all that skilled. thanks for the great chat have a nice day [slayer-jinx-wink]
and yes there is a gap example you play a gaame you win and there was nothing to remember in it but it was good, then you go to another game you win but alot of great plays were made making it a great game
i was referring to champions only. ofcourse there is a gap in a good dinner and a great dinner and there is a gap between good sex and great sex if you ever had any. but you see, thats not what we are talking about. we are talking about champs.
if a "good" champ plays against a shitty champ, the good champ may look good but if he plays against a great champ, he looks like shit and if a shitty champ plays against a great champ, he looks like shit too so in the end, if you want to know if a champion is viable, you have to compare him to the best things in the game.
sure akali jungle works because she can clear the jungle without dying. but is she viable?
akali jg no not viable i agree and i see how your using good, bad, etc. and i understand thanks
oh and another thing you've been telling me that numbers, letters, good, and bad are all irrelevant...... why? -_-
because personally, i find people who classify champions and things in general as "S, A, B, C, D, my dick, A1, A2, A3, Tier 1, God Tier, Trash Tier" etc retarded.
i just think to myself: hm, this person is mentally disatvantaged, i feel very sorry for him. and since i keep telling myself that it just CANT BE that so many people have mental disabilities, i try to find a different answer. why do you classify things like that? why does anyone?
there is no "god tier" and "tier 2" or "tier 3". there is only things that can be made to work under every circumstance and things that cant. there is simply 2 classes of junglers: champs that can jungle and champs that cant. and being able to kill 3 camps without dying doesnt classify as jungling.
same goes for laners. if yo uwant to know if a champion is viable in a lane, ask yourself IS THERE A WAY TO PROPERLY LANE AGAINST ALL CHAMPIONS?
and PROPERLY means:
maybe i forgot a point or so but generally speaking, most champions are not viable in toplane and most champions are viable in midlane from these points, at least from laning perspectives.
ok so the answer too all this is (42) organization and simplification example why is rek'sai a tier 1 jg b/c people see this or hear this and go straight to thinking she is great jg witch isnt wrong. so see in the world we live in today classification = organization and simplification and that is why we classify things like this.
too bad nobody knows what makes rexai a good jungler and now is she a tier 1 jungler or tier S jungler or is she even god tier?
tbh i dont keep track but even though they dont know what makes rexai a good jg they still know that she is one you see?
yeah but just believing she is good doesnt enable you to use her good because you dont know what makes her good. you dont use her strength and avoid her weakness, you just play her and think "im playing a good champion".
this is why, even tho noobs are always following "the meta", they still suck. because they dont even understand the meta. they think "oh anivia mid is meta right now" or "quinn jungle is meta right now" but a champion is never meta, only what they can do.
true i cant argue with you on that and i real have nothing else to say here so... have a nice day and see you in the next chat bye and thx
meta? preseason what? [zombie-brand-mindblown]
meta? preseason what? [zombie-brand-mindblown]
right now
i know that its right now but what im saying is your looking for a meta in a season that hasnt started yet
Not meta, pros are testing her new kits, but I don't think she's that good. Good Lucian will beat quinn %100 because he can dodge blind with e
All depends if you can land your blind. Then she has the Potential to out trade most match ups. Quin Jg is also a thing right now.