How does the legal system in Demacia function as? For example, hypothetically speaking, let's say we have like Jarvan and Quinn, they are both king and queen, what if there was a guy who was hitting on the queen in public, like you know, trying to force himself onto her, with j4 present as well, would the guy be executed on the spot or jailed or what? Or will J4 do something to him? Is it a violation of some sort?
BananaSlayerAMO1 votesI don't think flirting with the queen is a capital crime in Demacia, so I imagine he'd get away with just a kick to the butt.
TenshouSNK1 votesI don't think flirting with the queen is a capital crime in Demacia, so I imagine he'd get away with just a kick to the butt.
what!? No jail time? Not sent to the dungeon to rot? No fines? oOOoOOOooOO
Wouldn't Jarvan want to kill the guy if he caught him in the act?
Iwinatlife421 votesDemacia is big on Honor so probably no instant executions or imprisonment but I would imagine Jarvan challenging people to duels which would basically be a death sentence
TenshouSNK1 votesDemacia is big on Honor so probably no instant executions or imprisonment but I would imagine Jarvan challenging people to duels which would basically be a death sentence
so in this case, what would happen to the guy, would J4 do something?
Iwinatlife423 votesDepends on Jarvans mood at that time and how offensive he found the behavior. Minor but insulting he'd probably just punch the guy in the face (No small thing because armored fists of a man who kills dragons). Major Insul Challenge him to a duel on the spot for daring to impugn the Honor of his queen and probably kill the guy because duels tend to be to the death when the preferred weapon is lances.
TenshouSNK1 votesDepends on Jarvans mood at that time and how offensive he found the behavior. Minor but insulting he'd probably just punch the guy in the face (No small thing because armored fists of a man who kills dragons). Major Insul Challenge him to a duel on the spot for daring to impugn the Honor of his queen and probably kill the guy because duels tend to be to the death when the preferred weapon is lances.
Makes sense, and what about the Queen, would she (Quinn) have any say on anything J4 does to the guy or will she just watch j4 do what he wants to the guy?
Iwinatlife421 votesThat is a good point depending how offended quinn was especially because she has mor rough upbringing I imagine she would harshly reprimand him at first and if he continued either slap or punch him depending on her anger level at that time.I don't feel like she would stop Jarvan from hitting the guy but might be annoyed at him later, because she is strong and independent. I feel like she would disapprove of killing him though and try to stop Jarvan if it came to that.
Iwinatlife423 votesHope your fanfic goes well [slayer-jinx-wink] or I assume that's what all this has been for
XIII Vanitas1 votesI'm cringing so hard right now. An interesting question asked for the most pitiful reasons... [zombie-brand-facepalm]
GreenLore1 votesWell Fioras father tried to cheat on a duel,which basically resulted in a death sentence for him and his whole family being exiled,so lawbreakers are most likely executed.
Though in your example it would likely come off more as an insult to the king instead of a direct crime,so the person would likely be challenged by Jarvan himself to a duel.
TenshouSNK1 votesWell Fioras father tried to cheat on a duel,which basically resulted in a death sentence for him and his whole family being exiled,so lawbreakers are most likely executed.
Though in your example it would likely come off more as an insult to the king instead of a direct crime,so the person would likely be challenged by Jarvan himself to a duel.
how is it an insult to the the king (j4) if the dude openly hit on his queen (quinn) ? Or maybe I didn't understand properly oO, so if the dude accepts the duel, he will most likely get lanced to death right? I feel though as if Iwinatlife42 is right on the sense that she wouldn't mind j4 beating the daylights outta him. But J4 killing the guy in a duel may stir some issues for the queen? Like going too far.
GreenLore1 votesWell it would make J4 look bad if he didn't do anything about someone hitting on his wife,so you could compare it to an insult.
And even if Quinn isn't ok with it,J4 might have to duel the guy to the death out of social pressure(or alternatively he might be able to make someone else duel him?).
Though this situation doesn't have to break out into a deathmatch depending on how it is handled. For example if J4 notices the flirting,he could make it clear that if the guy continues,he'll face severe consequences.
Meep Man1 votesNot at all. Remember this is Demacian society and that Quinn grew up in this society and respects it's rules strictly. She would know what would have to happen if the "insult" was not ignored. If Quinn did have issues with it, then that would likely mean that new laws would be made and it wouldn't be current Demacian thinking. If Quinn was an outsider of Demacia, it would be understood, but she is not.
Iwinatlife421 votesOf course the laws being upheld would be important to Quinn but she seems Legit Lawful good and would feel guilty for someone dying because of her. Not to mention any duel with Jarvan might be Just but generally (unless we are talking another Champion and not some random normal person) not fair. So I think Quinn would be upset at essentially the letter of the Law being followed but not the spirit for which the Laws were made.
Warlord Dienekes2 votesWell Fioras father tried to cheat on a duel,which basically resulted in a death sentence for him and his whole family being exiled,so lawbreakers are most likely executed.
Though in your example it would likely come off more as an insult to the king instead of a direct crime,so the person would likely be challenged by Jarvan himself to a duel.
Depends on the crime, Taric was grossly and criminally negligent and he just got exiled (which was originally a death sentence, but in practice was just exile).
So we are looking at a society with at least varying degrees of punishment.
Anyway, from the OP
what if there was a guy who was hitting on the queen in public, like you know, trying to force himself onto her,
Do you mean flirting, or do you mean actually trying to rape her? Which is what "force himself onto her" means for me.
Anyway, going by medieval law codes, rape was usually a death sentence crime, in theory. But, in practice there were often far more acquittals than prosecutions for rape. Since you needed eye-witness accounts, and general male-bias in medieval Europe. This did of course differ by country, for instance medieval Venice the penalty for rape was 8 days in prison, a large fine, and corporal punishment, usually a beating but if they couldn't pay the fine they would get their eyes plucked out. But, I don't think that happened very often.
That said, kings can kind of make their own rules, to a limited degree. Since the queen would be directly tied to the king's personage any crime against her was an affront to the crown, meaning much higher penalties. A bit of torture, vast fines, and execution seems likely, though I cannot think of any time a medieval queen was raped to draw from.
If it is just flirting, well, who's doing it, and how handsy is he being? Because, if it's just some suggestive language and he's from a powerful noble family, then it might be more prudent for Jarvan to make his displeasure known and have the other nobleman play it off as a joke or something to avoid hostilities between king and powerful subject. A challenge of a duel was not unheard of in some situations, but kings very rarely dueled for obvious reasons. And usually duels over a woman happened during the proposal/courting phase of the relationship or after the wedding when the wife had an affair, or possibly raped. I think there was a famous one in France over a guy claiming his opponent raped his wife and killing him in combat to prove it.
Ralanr2 votesMURDER WILL PROVE I'M RIGHT!
It may be an exaggeration, but it's kinda funny when you think about it.
Warlord Dienekes2 votesMURDER WILL PROVE I'M RIGHT!
It may be an exaggeration, but it's kinda funny when you think about it.
To modern sensibilities, yeah it is silly. But I think people in general do not understand just how alien our ancestors were to us. Things like the value of individual honor and slights, the absolute certainty of death around you, the pure belief in a divine entity that will guide outcomes in history all make people behave strange to us, but to them were completely sensible.
That said, dueling was always kind of an iffy part of law codes. We see kings and rulers trying to get rid of it, or lower how definitive it could be very early. It may be more accurate to think of it less as proving innocence and guilt and more as a means of satisfying honor codes in situations where the courts would not suffice.
To take the rape example, guy 1's wife says she was raped by guy 2, guy 2 says he didn't do it. Well in a world without a professional investigation force, without forensics, without cameras, without quick and easy spread of information, it basically falls down to he said/she said.
So what is a man to do when his beloved wife's rapist goes free? He could declare war against his opponent's land (which did happen, quite a bit actually) but that could waste insane amounts of resources, and get a lot of people killed, and draws the extended family involved into the fighting. Basically it's a quick and easy way to ruin everybody unless you're really really good at warfare and your opponent isn't (since actually taking land in conquest has to be distributed by the king so you couldn't just go conquering it would be a big battle with nothing but a lot of death and maybe some pillaging gained in the process).*
Or, he challenges his opponent to a duel, which by warrior honor codes and prestige would probably be accepted. The fight is done. It is overseen by political and religious figures to make sure no cheating is going on. Then whoever wins, wins and the two families have their grievances finished. No further actions would be taken because the fight decided who was right. In theory, anyway. In practice there's always going to be some family who dislikes the outcome and will take violent steps in response, but that appears to be the exception rather than the rule. And in some kingdoms the overseer can use the duel as an excuse to give out justice regardless of the outcome, but that's a whole other thing.
*Please note as always there are exceptions were land was taken.
GreenLore1 votes[{quoted}](name=Warlord Dienekes,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xlPEsZu3,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2016-09-08T14:35:34.176+0000)
Depends on the crime, Taric was grossly and criminally negligent and he just got exiled (which was originally a death sentence, but in practice was just exile).
So we are looking at a society with at least varying degrees of punishment.
Well what Taric did is likely seen as an unforgiveable failure,not a crime,which is why Taric was "just" exiled. It is also possible that Garen gave him a milder punishment because Taric is an old friend of him.
LordHippoman1 votesI'm sorry, but I have to ask. Is this like, for a fanfiction? Because none of this is outright stated. We don't have the Demacian Constitution, in exact words, on the League website, and I doubt we'll get it because nobody wants to read that (Or write it.). Everything is conjecture and inferred guesses on minute points like "Does Jarvan have a bear skin" or "What happens if you hit on the queen.".
If you're writing a fanfiction, just come up with whatever answer you think fits best and run with it. There's no canon on these super specific instances.
Tattersall1 votes…Quinn isn't the queen.
Anyway, I imagine that any punishment in Demacia, what ever it is, would be two things: Swift and harsh.
The thing is, punishment is SO swift and harsh that I doubt there's almost any crime at all, especially towards the monarchy. I think J4 is pretty popular, as far as kings/princes go.