I hate the guts of this item. I hate the fact that a late game vayne or insert adc can buy this item. and not worry about dying. i hate the fact I have to kill that adc that getting peeled for twice. its fucking obnoxious. and its too much.
Marshbouy1 votesi have no real issue with the item. Playing smart and saving spells to kill them once they respawn isn't that hard.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesumm yeah if the rest of their team is braindead. when vayne can kill you with a Q and an auto late game. its fucking hard to deal with. its extremely fucking hard. shes already had to kill because of her ultimate.
Marshbouy1 votesSo you are angry because someone positioned properly and had a competent team? You can buy GA too uknow It's also on a 5 minute cooldown so you can fight her when it's on CD
MunchCrunchLunch1 voteswhen you have 30% lifesteal is so much different than a tank or a melee champion buying GA. YOU have way more way more reasons to get GA as an adc because being ranged allows you to reposition and fight at the same time. and heal up with that 30% lifesteal
i want to see some diminishing returns to lifesteal. i have to empty 3k damage onto a carry or they heal up in a cpl seconds. its absurd.
Marshbouy1 votesDoes grevious wounds just not exist now? honest question here. Are melees not allowed to build lifesteal? Are marksman immune to CC? Does punishing the enemy team for not having an ADC while the enemy ADC is reviving just not happen?
RogueWill1 votesTanks won't auto you, so until they add grievous wound to 
we don't have a proper item for it.
Again, tanks wont aa you so life steal is pointless on them and they decided you shouldn't have HP regen during fights so that is out of the question as well. Spell vamp was nice but it was removed.
Yeah, pretty much
zacktootall2 voteshe didnt say tanks....
RogueWill1 voteshe didn't say there wasn't?. You have two grievous wound items 
and 
. One only work if you AA, not many champs aa often, melees usually are more ability dependant and just have a few aa between their abilities (you have exceptions like yi, jax, etc) so they can't apply the grievous wound so effective plus the item it build into 
is sub-optimal so you are just getting it for the grivious wound. Mages have it easier since morelicom is more versatile, however it onlu works on targets below 40% HP and well, mages rely on burst so by the time they finally reach that low HP they are probably out of damage. (exception to battle mages like ryze, swain, cass)
Life steal on melees are again only usable if you aa often, and the few that aa often usually have some built in lifesteal so adding extra lifesteal proves counterproductive since you need the resistances to get close to your targets. Mages, I did said spell vamp was removed.
again, pretty specific stats so it makes it really hard to get it on other role than adc or very specific cases. The mage equivalent is 
but the difference is that this item doesn't just remove the position mistake just like QSS does but instead gives a chance for your own team to fix it for you.
Limmie1 votesExecutioner's Calling will apply GW to all physical damage, including abilities. You don't have to AA to apply it. It doesn't apply to thornmail because thornmail's passive deals magic damage.
Marshbouy1 votesI don't want to repeat my talk about thornmail. TLDR, it already negates lifesteal, adding GW to it would make it too powerful.
only clears CC once, so unless you layer all your CC at once or don't bait it out, then you will lose.
When did OP say a tank? Do teammates who can build GW items not exist? Does you team just not exist in your mind?
RogueWill1 voteshow come the one effect that actually negates lifesteal would make it too powerful if the point is too negate lifesteal?
once is all you need, besides a hanful of champions, most champions only have one hard CC ability, the only other 2 roles usually carrying hard CC woudl be supports and mages, supports usuallyw ant to be on the back using their cc to defend, and mages are usually immobile so they won't be able to reapply the extra CC after the initial cleanese before the enemy adc has the chance to reposition themselves.
OP said melee, tanks are melee and since he didn't specify which kind of melee means all melee are on the table. I made a case out of tanks and pointed out the same for buisers.
Marshbouy1 votesIt already negates lifesteal. Making it negate lifesteal twice would be silly.
If your team won't use CC to kill the enemy carry, your team is stupid.
Not all melees are tanks, idiot.
RogueWill1 votessome of them are which makes my argument valid moron, I also did an analysis on mages and bruiser, perhaps you missed that?
And there is no point on killing the enemy carry if your own carry dies on the process? is that so hard to understand? let your mage walk into bruiser range so he can land his CC, let your support do it instead and the enemy can dive your carry with no one to protect him.
Marshbouy1 votessome of them are which makes my argument valid moron, I also did an analysis on mages and bruiser, perhaps you missed that?
your arguments were just "it's not good enough". You are barely een worth the time to respond to.
you are utterly hilarious. You really are, a summation of what you are saying is "the enemy team is always better than my team, they magically kill my carry when we can't kill theirs, itemization isn't good enough even though its perfectly fine, wah wah wah"
Not worth my time. cy@
RogueWill1 votesLMAO. I have never once said anything about what team is better. I planted specific scenarios and how would they play with the current itemization. I even said that the enemy carry blundered first and that's why he got forced to QSS out of it.
But sure tell me,
YOu are facing a fed ADC with 
and either 
or 
, heck even 
if you wish . You have identical teams with identical playmaking abilities, the only thing different is the melee champ of your choice and your itemization. Tell me where you woudl go where you don't depend on a direct mistake of the enemy ADC to get the winning hand
RogueWill1 votesI actually have more trouble with .
Spent my long CD lockdown and gone and an instant so he can go back to kill me since his blunder wasn't punished.
SGT Dingle Berry1 votesSounds like someone likes to build dps tanks 😬