For supports I don't mind the item at all but when just about any mid laner not involving a Lichbane in the build can build this item first item and get tons of useful stats and advantages for it then it's probably a sign for changes to nerf it for mid laners.
LordOfTheLeague3 votesWhy is it a problem in the first case ? The new active make it good for some mid laners so they buy this item. Is it a good item for all ap laners ? I don't think so. It's neither overpowered or a must buy. It's item diversity.
(I don't use it but I played against it.)
HongChongDong1 votesWhy is it a problem in the first case ? The new active make it good for some mid laners so they buy this item. Is it a good item for all ap laners ? I don't think so. It's neither overpowered or a must buy. It's item diversity.
(I don't use it but it's played against it.)
Actually the issue here that makes it too strong is the gold gain passive that can and WILL put a mid laner ahead of his enemy automatically even if they aren't doing jack squat as long as they keep up harrass. As for why this is an issue well it's the same situation as thunderlords decree, if the other person doesn't have it they are at a big disadvantage with lack of tons of cheap early stats and the person having way more gold than them despite being at an equal farm count.
Mr Versatility2 votesIt is actually not strong as an item, it just gives utility, pretty much the same thing as why supports pick it up, extra gold and a way to have some soft cc for chasing. I don't know why when someone builds an non meta item it needs to be nerfed. There is nothing wrong with it and in fact if you are winning lane the only time you get the passive gold from autos or spells is when you roam, if you waited the 12 seconds between each cs just to get the passive gold you're going to miss cs, so basically half the item is worthless, the other half gives very unimpressive stats. It is strictly a utility item. and usually not built first thing on mid laners as it will delay your spike. (typically built after you complete your first item).
ps - Before you bronzies, cry about the small amount of chase with it, I could literally just build rylais and have a slow on every ability cast. Nobody cries nerf rylais, even though it is a much more powerful slow. Cry about it being point and click , Malz has a point and click E that will slow you the fuck down with rylas. Same thing ? so lets nerf Malz ? Oh wait they have already nerfed mid lane mages enough. Grow up.
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It is actually not strong as an item, it just gives utility, pretty much the same thing as why supports pick it up, extra gold and a way to have some soft cc for chasing. I don't know why when someone builds an non meta item it needs to be nerfed. There is nothing wrong with it and in fact if you are winning lane the only time you get the passive gold from autos or spells is when you roam, if you waited the 12 seconds between each cs just to get the passive gold you're going to miss cs, so basically half the item is worthless, the other half gives very unimpressive stats. It is strictly a utility item. and usually not built first thing on mid laners as it will delay your spike. (typically built after you complete your first item).
ps - Before you bronzies, cry about the small amount of chase with it, I could literally just build rylais and have a slow on every ability cast. Nobody cries nerf rylais, even though it is a much more powerful slow. Cry about it being point and click , Malz has a point and click E that will slow you the fuck down with rylas. Same thing ? so lets nerf Malz ? Oh wait they have already nerfed mid lane mages enough. Grow up.
The item gives 150% base mana regen ( more then Morells), 10% CDR, 50 AP, a VERY good gold gain passive, and finally a strong slow that almost guarantee's kiting or an escape on most mid laners.
PIMPSMOOTH1 votesThe item gives 150% base mana regen ( more then Morells), 10% CDR, 50 AP, a VERY good gold gain passive, and finally a strong slow that almost guarantee's kiting or an escape on most mid laners.
And cost a thousand less gold than Rylais.
YZaCmX2XRL1 votesThey are nerfing the item, but you can't really nerf it for "Mid laners" You can't just say it works on certain champs because you could take sona mid and they'd assume it was support.
HongChongDong1 votesActually they could possibly nerf it the same way they nerfed smite lanes by tying it to a summoner spell. If you think about it how many mid laners would you see getting that item if they had to bring exhaust to get it?
Arkantasa1 votessome supports grab ignite or heal though.