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People on the Boards act like they know better than professionals and it's sickening

chipndip1··94 votes·10,651 views

Crying about not having comebacks/not being able to carry: You guys DO realize this shit is two sides of the same coin, right? In a world where your comeback is possible, someone else's carry is negated. Thus, do you honestly think that you can make a game where you have realistic chances to rebound a bleak game "a lot of the time" WHILE that same game is one where you specifically can snowball and win games single-handedly or close to it "a lot of the time"? NO. It's an asinine request in the first place. Comebacks in competitive games are earned, not given. When Dunkey made that video on him quitting League that everyone circle-jerked for a damn year straight, one of his main points was that other competitive games like Street Fighter rewarded people for playing well, whereas League was a game that punished you for playing well through bounties. Shit's all good BACK THEN, but NOW everyone's crying that the game doesn't hold your hand from start to finish. You want to not get rolled over? Play better and stop getting your ass beat.

Damage complaints here: Look, we've gotten to a point where Riot's made a good deal of changes to address early damage. However, this is a strategic game. Your choices matter, and if you want your games to turn out some way or another, sometimes that hinges on your strategic choices. If you want a less damage-packed solo queue, people in general would have to play less damage-packed champions. THAT'S IT. That's honestly the remedy. Now, is that the only remedy? No, because Riot added a good bit of upfront burst in itemization and pre-game runes that they had to shave off over time, but we're reaching a point, especially with the stat shards, where if you want to take the defensive, safe approach, you can alter your champion pick/pre-game setup and make that defensive approach.

However, if you think that the ideal for the game is "Everyone takes 2-3 ults to the face and still survives, even Sona", you need to fucking stop. Hell, honestly, even in season 5, the bEsT SEaSon eVEr, THIS WASN'T TRUE. You wanna know what REALLY happened in season 5? Everyone played fucking tanks everywhere. Mid lane had Cho'Gaths and shit. Top lane had Sions and shit. Jg had Sejuani and Cinderhulk Jarvan/Vi/Lee Sin for crying out loud. EVERYONE typed into full-on defense save one team's Jinx and the other team's Vayne, and every game would just be drug out to a 40 minute team fight so the early game didn't even fucking matter. The reason why "damage wasn't too high" in season 5 was because nearly everyone was full tank. The carries and enchanters that weren't full tank? They STILL got ran over, but it was worse because it was a fat pig that just sat on them for 10 seconds, which is why Sejuani got gutted the first time IN THE FIRST PLACE, just in case you guys needed that history lesson.

Long story short on this topic is that game pacing has been more or less clumsy since pre-season 6, when we had a ton of games being decided, not surrendered, by 15 - 20 minutes with the original Warlord's Bloodlust, when Yasuo and Tryndamere were insanely overpowered during the first masteries change (which they stated was a proto-type for the original Runes Reforged changes that would come later). These turret changes may need tuning, but it's done a massive job in giving us back a reasonable laning phase experience.

Fire the balance team: The balance team is PAID to work on this game. You aren't. The balance team also isn't a bunch of Silver/Gold 5 players on the boards whining about champions they have no business whining about. Once again, you are. You guys have no real idea on game balance. They do.

"Bu-bu-bu-" no buts. You guys constantly complain about how Riot doesn't balance around low elo, and everything they do is LCS-oriented? Aight, Riot stops Ryze putting massive work on LCS-problem champions Kalista and Riot Garen nerfs champions that are specifically balance issues FOR LOW ELO, which is YOUR(ick) ELO Yorick. Low and behold...you guys complain that Riot nerfed Yorick and Garen. Hell, you guys also complained they nerfed Nami, but Nami had a 54% general win rate in Diamond on like a 10%+ play rate by the time the nerf went through, and she's still doing perfectly fine right now. You guys ALSO complain about Akali, but for any elo range that any of you reside in, she's statistically been proven to be a walking win for the enemy team. People that see this champ in Bronze - Gold should be fucking ecstatic for the free lp, but you guys STILL want this champion nerfed.

And let's not forget how you guys complained that picks like Ornn and Sejuani keep getting held up by the LCS. Riot says "Sure, we'll tune them for solo queue." How do you do this? You make their strategic, team-oriented parts worse while making their snowballing, hard-carry elements stronger. In other words, nerf utility and buff da- "BU-BU-BUT YOU CAN'T BUFF THEIR DAMAGE CAUSE THEY'RE TANKS!". So the fuck do you want them to do with tanks!? They can't be cc bots because that makes them good in organized games. They can't do damage because tanks shouldn't do damage. They STILL HAVE TO FUNCTION, but every direction you could go has some Silver II crying over it. You can't get a good feel about what to do with the game's direction because there's never any positive feedback no matter which direction you go.

Riot doesn't listen to us: Imagine being in a room full of toddlers that never stop hysterically crying. The reason why they're crying changes, but they never tire out to a reasonable volume and they never outright stop. If you don't lose your mind after being in that room for 5 minutes, you're definitely tuning those babies out. These boards are a room of hysterically crying toddlers.

What's the point of this thread: I'm not saying people can't complain about the game. I'm not. Honest.

HOWEVER, I would love and adore if you guys would take a bit of time to think a bit more big picture so you can truly capture what needs addressing when you complain. Making a million fucking threads about getting people fired or threads about "Wanting a new balance team for the holidays"...you guys are the reason no one that's worth taking seriously should take you seriously. The mods don't want people hurting each other's feelings on the boards, but I'm being honest. No one worth being taken seriously should take Gameplay seriously the way it is. Why do you think most Rioters don't talk around here and do it elsewhere?

179 Comments

D357R0Y3R35 votes

downvoted for excessive exageration

it's not the first time I see you doing it anyway, whenever we argue about "should offensive blantantly outscale defense" you use the same argument

Eedat30 votes

inb4 wE r NoT a HiVeMiNd.

Been here for close to 5 years and this board is beyond any shadow of a doubt a hivemind

Moody P44 votes

Unit #4530 you are speaking out of line please return to the factory for realignment

chipndip15 votes

This is why you're alright by me, guy.

LordGeovanni6 votes

That makes everyone alright by you because hive mind

Iota Theta9 votes

The Earth King has invited them to Lake Laogai?

Spank the Fox4 votes

All the good and sane people have already left Boards, now only remaining are the vile, the masochists, and the jaded.

To say Boards isn’t biased and without an agenda is completely false and isn’t even remotely in touch with what the actual playerbase thinks.

Moody P4 votes

which one are you

Spank the Fox2 votes

All of the above

LeBlanc Jameś3 votes

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inb4 wE r NoT a HiVeMiNd.

Been here for close to 5 years and this board is beyond any shadow of a doubt a hivemind

Bro, it's not "this board". It's everything. The hive mind is everywhere. Sole reason I avoid any social media. It's sick.

Arammus24 votes

just saying: youngbuck (you know the guy from fnatic) said the 5ms irelia nerf was a stupid joke from riot and the game is too snowbally right now. so yeah

Moody P16 votes

btw how come you made the title relevant to pros but then didn't say anything about how pros feel about the game?

ModWulf Helhammer10 votes

He meant professionals as in someone who's job it is. Professional doesn't just mean a pro player (like how a doctor might say "in my professional opinion")

ForeverLaxx9 votes

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He meant professionals as in someone who's job it is. Professional doesn't just mean a pro player (like how a doctor might say "in my professional opinion")

The lead designer in City of Heroes' initial year or two was a guy that had zero programming background, zero gaming background, and zero design background. He graduated with a degree in History, specifically greek/roman. He gathered people that knew how to do the things he wanted, and when he tried to change the game to be more like WoW he got voted off the ship. For the record, I absolutely loved City of Heroes and wished NCSoft never canceled it.

Being a "professional" can often just be a meaningless title that says you make the rules. This doesn't even take into account that one doesn't need to be a professional chef to know if a dish is bad or if the milk is sour. Tasting it is enough to form an opinion, and while the chef himself may disagree about his dish on principle, that doesn't change the fact that people don't like it.

Shows like Restaurant Impossible, Kitchen Nightmares, Bar Rescue, and a plethora of other "rescuer" shows illustrate just how often blind faith in someone claiming to be good at something can put your business in an inescapable pit.

Improvements come from criticism, not praise. It just doesn't help that Riot ignored their own boards in favor of the Reddit Echo Chamber years ago, so the people left here are frustrated. Our criticism has turned to vitriol that Riot uses to justify their avoidance of the boards even though they left long before it got to that point.

Yordle Xayah14 votes

Sure.

What about all the complains professional players at LCS/LCK/LPL/LMS/etc. have? What about Faker stating how less fun the game has become for him? Is he an entitled fool too? Source) What about Perkz calling Akali completely broken because of how the shroud works? Worlds Semifinalist not "Professional" enough? What about Streamers that literally make their living from playing this game? Are they also "Casuals" to you? What about all the complains coaches and analysts have had for meta shifts in the past? Are they not pro enough for you?

What a disingenuous post you've got here...

ModBianca Colt4 votes

Still not Riot, so they're irrelevant by default ;).

#kappa
Pika Fox4 votes

They literally do not matter. Tom Brady's opinion on how football should be is not worth much. At the end of the day, all that matters is the guy writing the rules with all the statistics on hand. Faker is good at playing the game. Doesnt mean hes good at actually making it better.

Yordle Xayah10 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uLbJHIyp,comment-id=001e0001,timestamp=2018-11-25T04:08:45.445+0000)

They literally do not matter. Tom Brady's opinion on how football should be is not worth much. At the end of the day, all that matters is the guy writing the rules with all the statistics on hand. Faker is good at playing the game. Doesnt mean hes good at actually making it better.

"Faker's opinion doesn't matter"

Ok dude. I got nothing. [sg-lux-2]

chipndip17 votes

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Sure.

What about all the complains professional players at LCS/LCK/LPL/LMS/etc. have?

What complaints? Burden of proof when you make a claim is on you. This isn't my claim, so you bring evidence of these complaints.

What about Faker stating how less fun the game has become for him? Is he an entitled fool too? Source)

"The game becomes less fun the higher you go, I don't know why I play... LoL is supposed to be a team game, it's only fun if you play 5v5 and do stuff with your teammates but everybody treats it like an RPG and plays on their own. Because of the LP difference, it's impossible to synergize with the team. Everybody plays way too differently. The game gets less fun as you raise LP, it's weird. That's why I like the way it was before even if the queue times were long."

Clearly he likes the 5v5 team game that LoL's supposed to be over the cluster fuck that is solo queue that the Gameplay boards keep screaming at Riot to focus the entire game around. You should read your own quotes.

What about Perkz calling Akali completely broken because of how the shroud works? Worlds Semifinalist not "Professional" enough?

You didn't read my post, either. First Faker, now me?

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You guys ALSO complain about Akali, but for any elo range that any of you reside in, she's statistically been proven to be a walking win for the enemy team. People that see this champ in Bronze - Gold should be fucking ecstatic for the free lp, but you guys STILL want this champion nerfed.

Most of you are Silver. Silver players have win rates on Akali that are outright ABYSMAL. Perkz is someone that SHOULD worry about Akali. You aren't. I've already said this in the initial post, and I've said this in many instances before now.

What about Streamers that literally make their living from playing this game? Are they also "Casuals" to you?

You didn't say anything about them for me to say anything about those streamers...

What about all the complains coaches and analysts have had for meta shifts in the past? Are they not pro enough for you?

You can't just say "what about" without bringing anything about these damn people to the post.

Yordle Xayah9 votes

Quick Note: The many examples about meta complaints I'll post cover different periods in the history of League. The main takeaway however is to see that throughout many patches, pro players, streamers and content creators echo many sentiments you'll also find in The Boards.

What complaints? Burden of proof when you make a claim is on you. This isn't my claim, so you bring evidence of these complaints.

Are you kidding me? Fine, here's just a couple for you (like you haven't seen them before):

Remember the Zoe complaints? Yeah: https://youtu.be/IRQf3qMPDR8

DL's Video that even got a response by Ghostcrawler: https://youtu.be/PhI-QLG_DJU

Rekkles on the ADC destruction of Mid Season, echoing how many ADC felt during that period: https://youtu.be/oy5m2LMdBRw

And do note the following: I'm not saying everything The Boards say is right and that every Pro agrees to them, but the fact alone that there's many examples of Pros and High Elo Players (Will get into that in the Streamer section) that echo some of the biggest concerns you see here, that alone proves the problems are not "Just a silver thing" like you're trying to sell.

Clearly he likes the 5v5 team game that LoL's supposed to be over the cluster fuck that is solo queue that the Gameplay boards keep screaming at Riot to focus the entire game around. You should read your own quotes.

While that's not wrong, we then have this:

Faker: One side always explodes right here [pointing to the botlane]. It's never a 50/50, the game is always one sided. Then what is mid/top/jg? Are we playing League or are we playing slot machines? If other lanes are mismatched, it's still a 1v1 so the difference is not big but because there's two people bot, the gap is too big. How are you supposed to win a game if a 200LP/200LP Masters botlane is matched against an 800LP/800LP Challenger botlane?

Did you forget how much people were complaining about the Bot Snowball during the time of this Faker quote? It was the exact same complaint. According to your logic, everyone complaining about Bot back then were a bunch of clueless Silvers. How come Faker had the exact same opinion as most of those complaints? Turns out it's not even an isolated case because I've already shown you above a bunch of pros echoing The Boards sentiments.

I find it very strange that you only used the quote that served your narrative, when the ADC quote was right there and you could read it easily. You just chose not to pay attention to that quote for some reason.

You guys ALSO complain about Akali , but for any elo range that any of you reside in, she's statistically been proven to be a walking win for the enemy team. People that see this champ in Bronze - Gold should be fucking ecstatic for the free lp, but you guys STILL want this champion nerfed.

https://youtu.be/dJplbJG9_9E?t=12 Important to note that what he considers the most busted part of Akali is her stealth, which just so happens to be the main thing people in The Boards complain about. Maybe you should take it to Perkz next time. I think it's pretty safe to say what most people hate about Akali is her Shroud, the very same thing Perkz commented on.

You didn't say anything about them for me to say anything about those streamers...

I don't know if you didn't understand or if you're playing me, but I'll hope it's the former and explain before I drop some vids on you: I meant streamers and content creators (a lot of them high elo) have also voiced complaints and concerns similar to those that you'll find in the Boards. So let's get started...

Here's Scarra: https://youtu.be/k1wsNBxenXM

And again Scarra: https://youtu.be/LrdF1Y4aPPw

HAT-TRICK: https://youtu.be/oiOBO4sKBBQ

You'll find many of his opinions are in line with how people feel about many aspects of the game. Pace, some champs balance, and many more themes.

Here's someone else who's usually at the top of the ladder, and who puts more hours into the game than many people in NA: https://youtu.be/oiP3tqoabqM

Now: If you have a problem with these High Elo players' statements and arguments, then take it to them, not me. I'm just showing you they exist.

And now for some content creators that have had problems with directions the game has taken, that also echo many feelings in this forum:

First this unknown dude: https://youtu.be/VjzgbZL12VI

Then there's this guy: https://youtu.be/7cFso3bYoxc

A Diamond V hard stuck guy: https://youtu.be/w6tfYuv7Vhw

"Burden of proof".... are you really that blind to how everyone feels about the game? Do you simply chose to ignore all those pieces that have been around for MONTHS and ask me for proof? Isn't it clear that is people across all levels of play that get extremely frustrated with what the balance team do sometimes? Do I need to post the many angry comments by pros on the horrible Funnel thing that happened specifically for Pro Play earlier this year?

Now: Do I know how to fix the game? OMEGALUL of course not.

You'll rarely even see me post something about balance unless it has to do with Tristana, and even then I post rarely. I just think you're not being fair at the many legit complains that show up in the Boards, and I'm also afraid you're missing the whole point: Even if people posting here are delusional enough think they know how to fix the game, the bottom line is that** people are just not happy with the state of the game**, and since a bad change seems to lead to another, people wonder what's even happening anymore. The day people stop complaining about a game they love is the day they stop caring, and then the game will be truly dead.

Illabethe12 votes

I liked your post..... until I got past the title.

It's entirely possible to both have a game than enables carries to continue carrying and enable comebacks to win.

Your post argues the opposite: that comebacks shouldn't be possible.

So no. I don't agree.

However, what I do agree with is.... is that people who generally COMPLAIN about no access to comebacks..... generally don't know how to. Barring a few exceptions, (2-3 fed tanks with a fed Jinx behind them is a pretty solid bet of a difficulty in turning a game around. If the Jinx is alone, and on a poke team, the comeback might be possible......) comebacks are possible.

Generally though..... comebacks involve coaxing the 0/10 feeders to slow the game down, defend, and farm.... defending turrets from pushes, sacrificing some drakes, and letting those who are reasonably better call shots.

(Ofc that's wishful thinking if they are 0/10 in the first place. They're more likely to go on doing exactly what they've been doing, and adversely affect the attitudes of their teammates).

I generally agree on damage output. However, for different reasons. There were plenty of players playing non tanky builds. In fact, Life steal was more meta than tank, even after the Tank update. Players were not as mobile in adjusting their meta, and were still carrying over life steal from Season 4.

Furthermore, they were trying to counter Feral Flame, and later the % damage jungle item, and life steal was better pathing for that than tankiness.

But...... we didn't have all these new champs, and game lengths were actually similar to now (maybe 1-2 minutes longer on average)

People were more patient, and willing to coordinate. They hadn't given up on the climb, and took their time farming.

More importantly: Everyone had access to limited mobility and wards were ABUNDANT. So..... people died less from bush checks (if you pathed right)

Moody P9 votes

And let's not forget how you guys complained that picks like Ornn and Sejuani keep getting held up by the LCS. Riot says "Sure, we'll tune them for solo queue." How do you do this? You make their strategic, team-oriented parts worse while making their snowballing, hard-carry elements stronger. In other words, nerf utility and buff da- "BU-BU-BUT YOU CAN'T BUFF THEIR DAMAGE CAUSE THEY'RE TANKS!".

Why are you ignoring that they didn't actually address what makes them strong in pro play which is the fact that they have low-risk engage from long distances?

It's a completely valid complaint. Tanks should not have _excellent CC, excellent damage, great lane priority, _ AND inherently high-value late games. Tuning Sejuani's E stun down by .2 seconds doesn't mean you can throw 200 more damage on her rotation. Making Ornn's R slow a little weaker does not mean you can let him have a fucking 73% max HP base damage rotation in the late game.

Ornn losing his shield means he will not be a tank. Full stop. Nobody wants to play a tank who's not tanky, and in season 8/season 9 if you don't have a fat shield, % damage reduction, a REVIVE or just absurd amounts of HP, you're not tanky. You take Ornn's shield away and he has none of that. It doesn't solve anything. His worse matchups will just become unwinnable because his shield is his only means of meaningful defense. His passive will not save him from getting bodied by Illaoi for free.

Damage is not and has never been a problem for either of these 2 champions and it will not solve their long-standing design flaws.

Ashenvall9 votes

Oh no, moralizing behavior with pseudo professional advice to grab some upvotes... Pathetic at this point

Nausicäa 9 votes

Title is legit idiotic because 'professionals' dont make mistakes.

Clearly Riot hasnt made a million different balance mistakes. Clearly Riot hasnt made a million different design mistakes.

Many MANY times the community has infact known better than 'professionals'

chipndip17 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nausicäa ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uLbJHIyp,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2018-11-25T01:47:35.912+0000)

Title is legit idiotic because 'professionals' dont make mistakes.

WHAT?!?!?

Nausicäa 7 votes

{quoted}

WHAT?!?!?

Sorry you lack the intelligence and reading comprehension to understand what i wrote.

chipndip17 votes

Everyone. Makes. Mistakes. There's a WHOLE Hannah Montana song about it.

Cavesloth8 votes

Once is a mistake. Twice, can be a mistake. Three or more times is a CHOICE.

AirKingNeo9 votes

If professionals consistently showed unprofessional behavior, contradicted all logic and reason, lie to the public, refuse to apologize for failure, display great negligence, and overall perform their job terribly, I think I have the right to say they do not deserve their current jobs.

But aside from that, this board is fucking horseshit. Smart people make reasonable complaints, but the idiots outnumber them; that is precisely why the boards are 'inconsistent'. It's just different people saying different things with everyone being upvoted.

chipndip15 votes

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If professionals consistently showed unprofessional behavior, contradicted all logic and reason, lie to the public, refuse to apologize for failure, display great negligence, and overall perform their job terribly, I think I have the right to say they do not deserve their current jobs.

Well that's just fake news so whatever. Riot's apologized for poor performance in many cases. And the negligence thing is because they used to get shit for nerfing/buffing way too hard. Also, contradicting all logic and reason? Like, this whole thing reads like something you scream to a mob.

AirKingNeo6 votes

Well that's just fake news so whatever. Riot's apologized for poor performance in many cases.

If you can find an example of someone like Meddler or Maple apologising for something, like Ardent Cancer meta of 6 months, then that would be a really strong counter example.

And the negligence thing is because they used to get shit for nerfing/buffing way too hard.

I don't care about this shitty gameplay board's complaining. Kai'sa shouldn't top tier for... how many months? I've lost track of time. If you refuse to do your job because you think you might make people mad, you probably shouldn't be in that job. No one wants a prosecutor who won't prosecute.

Also, contradicting all logic and reason? Like, this whole thing reads like something you scream to a mob.

Yeah, that felt vague to me too. I even thought to myself, "If Chip asks about this, what would be the explanation?" What I was thinking at the time I wrote it was that most balance changes make no logical sense when you look at statistics.

MrFawknSunshine7 votes

i just want to play the game mash some buttons have some fun and not deal with a bunch of asshats.

i dont care bout rank really or pro scene

Heos006 votes

Im not going to read the entire post but i think its bs the damage part, the defensive options that the games gives aren't even gold efficient and is always more gold efficient going to the damage because riot made it like it, also idk who is saying that season 5 was the best, i think the bests seasons were s3 s4 in terms of damage (mostly comments i saw were people saying s4 was the best tbh because in that season the tank mete wasn't added you have reason about it), now it's a bloodbath every game i felt like that since they added the new runes, even proplayers know it so... the rest of the text idc since is just a complain about people complaining about an obvious state of the game

Blåbæret6 votes

What makes you think the balance team are professionals?

GayFluffyUnicorn4 votes

They get paid so they must be good at what they do :^)

FéliXXX5 votes

yeah faker litterlay said zed is crap and mage/adc players are telling that hes not and that faker didnt mean that LMAO

saltran2 votes

and mage/adc players are telling that hes not and that faker didnt mean that LMAO

That's unfair I'm an adc main and I've been saying that Zed isn't as op as the Boards usually cry

hi ìm groot5 votes

To much of this is non-sensical and emotionally infused ranting. You need to trim the fat and cut out the accusations loaded into every paragraph of this topic if you want to have a real discussion about it.

Lauchmelder5 votes

{quoted} You guys ALSO complain about Akali, but for any elo range that any of you reside in, she's statistically been proven to be a walking win for the enemy team.

When will people like you get this into your goddamn heads? People sometimes don't complain because a champion is OP but because they are just straight up bullshit to play against. Champions like Akali. Champions like Yasuo. All you're doing is ignoring that fact just so you can stroke your own ego with the "they aren't OP but you act like they are" idiocy.

Arìes Wínd4 votes

Playing less damage champion ? Do you believe in disney and unicorns ? Even fkcing Janna can burst now, RUNES REFORGED SUCKS AND IT BRING TOO MUCH DMG, you are desilusional

JarodDempsey4 votes

lmao op is a moron, unless he said hes joking somewhere towards the bottom bc i stopped reading after he said that the remedy to damage creep is to not play dps champs. Like ok i guess when your car breaks down the remedy is to just not use it.

6KEMBE4ORBA4 votes

Wrong.

Dynamic Queue fiasco on itself is enough for me to win any argue over most Riot's employees competency, which leaves for some random support main that's getting carried/got carried at low dia elo, advocating for such even less.

Just because someone gets paid, doesnt mean he does his job well.

Hell, in my area of profession which requires tremendous ammount of commitment/preparation/training and certification to even get into I constanlty encounter people that are bad af at their job - and it's somewhat high risk job, not sitting safely behind your desk programming some 011010 for the kids to like or paint some skin for them to buy.

This means even at that level of proffessionalism there are many that are "just there" and don't have a clue or have really low skills.

Stop defending obvious stupid decisions that hinder the game's initial design and/or dumb down the game in order for it to compete with shitty mobile games.

HÔPÊ3 votes

WTF are you on about? Did you play in S8? It was the fkn worst season ever. The whole season I have seen only Graves and Graves in the jungle. This season was fucking boring.

The balance team is PAID to work on this game.

So maybe they fkn shouldn't. If I were doing the same shitty work in my job I would get fired.

I agree that people are histerically calling for changes and in most cases they are wrong on many issues but people have their reasons to be mad and frustraited. Maybe, just maybe they don't have fun and they want to play a good old League. A League that they consider better.

I must also say that I hate this meta, where everybody oneshots everybody. Kills doesn't give a sense of satisfaction anymore.

You are yelling at customers that they shouldn't be angry at a company and eat shit that they produce. They came for a fkn bread not shit.

I mean. We don't like this game and we should quit. I get it. I still have some hope, but if this season is as shit as S8, then I will just play a different game. That is how capitalism works. You produce something that I don't want, so you don't get paid. It is not on customer's side to buy a product that they don't like, it is on company's side to deliver something that a customer prefers and sell it to him. If the company doesn't do that, they lose customers. Complaints that Riot gets are from people that will quit in nearby future. They will, because S9 will not be better.

chipndip11 votes

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WTF are you on about? Did you play in S8? It was the fkn worst season ever. The whole season I have seen only Graves and Graves in the jungle. This season was fucking boring.

Did YOU play season 8?

HÔPÊ1 votes

Yes. On 4 accounts actually. Hated the season. Hated myself for playing this game. I don't fucking understand how the fuck they decided that one champion dominating the whole role is healthy and interesting. Also those patches since patch 8.11 were making no sense. If you want to discuss about S8 I more than willing to but saying back in one sentence:

Did YOU play season 8?

This doesn't even serve as an argument. You need to provide some context.

chipndip11 votes

Context: Your analysis of Graves is reminiscent of season 7, not season 8.

HÔPÊ5 votes

Some facts for you (op.gg): 8.10 - Graves was the most picked champion in the game 23,45% 8.11 - Graves was the most picked champion in the game 21,76% 8.12 - Graves was the most picked champion in the game 20,96% 8.13 - Graves was the second most picked champion in the game 17,09% 8.14 - Graves was the second most picked champion in the game 16,14% 8.15 - Graves was the second most picked champion in the game 17,24% 8.16 - Graves was the second most picked champion in the game 20,37% 8.17 - Graves was the second most picked champion in the game 20,20% 8.18 - Graves was the second most picked champion in the game 20,58% 8.19 - Graves was the second most picked champion in the game 22,03% 8.20 - 4th place (still 1st as a jng champ) - 14,52% 8.21 - 6th place - 11,03% 8.22 - 8th place - 9,76% 8.23 - 5th place - 10,32% (according to other sides it is 13%)

On other sides things are almost the same. In fact numbers are even worse. I don't have stats before 8.10 but they were around 20-25% if i remember correctly. You might want to reconsider your opinion.

LordGeovanni3 votes

you only argument is that since they some how got in to get money for doing their job that makes them qualified.

chipndip14 votes

No

My argument is that you guys don't have a single idea of the type of game knowledge and perspective that would make one qualified to begin with, meanwhile these guys actually went through the hiring process and were qualified to work on one of the biggest pvp games on the planet.

You think some armchair Silver player's going to know better in comparison to the people that are actually hired to play test and balance the game?

Emelie Cauchemar2 votes

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No

My argument is that you guys don't have a single idea of the type of game knowledge and perspective that would make one qualified to begin with, meanwhile these guys actually went through the hiring process and were qualified to work on one of the biggest pvp games on the planet.

You think some armchair Silver player's going to know better in comparison to the people that are actually hired to play test and balance the game?

To be fair, a lot of their balancing choices have been repeatedly called out by people that also play this game as a job and are also vastly more high ranked.

Anyone could have spotted Galio having over a 90% damage mitigation W needed to not be a thing. Balancing team, their words by the way, "We didn't think people would build him AP." Literally what they said.

But, it's not even just those very amusing instances. It's been the consistent fact that a lot of the balancing decisions they made never actually fixed problems. I can go onto OP.GG right now and can pretty much bet that Graves/Xin/Camille/ Sion/ Janna/Sona are all hilariously overtuned. The best part? They have been for entire seasons basically. Aside from one very brief stint. Graves has been a meta extremely over bearing pick since his creation.

"Games too snowball, Jungle too strong." "Jungle difference."

Literally all these factors are determined by

  1. Level 2 gank/scuttle

  2. wave clear + prio from lanes.

Riots go to was nerfing EXP and making bad jungle match ups even worse. At the end of the day the jungler that ganks/invades at level 2 is still going to invade level 2. They do not give a flying crap if it takes 4 camps to hit 3. Their time to shine is right after they hit 2. If they profit? Well, see above.

Meanwhile, mid is literally "who wave clears better." And then they run down bot and dive with the jungler. All of this right here is what creates 80% of the problems.

At the end of the day, my biggest issue is the fact Riot legitimately admits that they intentionally leave some champs over tuned because they're popular, and it's "interesting." And as long as they continue to maintain this type of balance style all of the problems I listed above are going to continue to happen. You can change how we play the game all you want. If Graves is stat for stat one of the best junglers in the game and has the base stats for it he's going to keep 60% of the roster out. And if Camille is stat for stat one of the most abusive level 2 junglers in the game she's going to keep the other 30% out and skew a lot of match ups one way or the other simple because of how much power she has in one ability.

As for my personal experience with the game on this patch? Nothing has really changed. A lot of the same champs are still stupid, all the turrets really do is escalate snowball further, but at the same time it discourages play making due to hilarious bounties. So, it evens out to be roughly the same only with a little armor/mr sprinkled in. The game is as virtually unenjoyable as it was last season and if it doesn't get resolved I probably won't even play this season.

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