How to make Thornmail actaully worth getting

Irelia Bot·Dec 3, 2015·2 votes·461 views

Current passive: return damage when auto attacked

New passive: enemies can not life steal/spell vamp on this this target.

There is is worht getting sometimes.

11 Comments

pE4CbxDPQODec 3, 20151 votes

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5000000000000000Dec 3, 20151 votes

Would this work only on spellvamp, or offensive healing spells also? Vlad Q still heals him even without any spellvamp, Warwick Q heals him based on damage dealt, Soraka Q heals her based on her W rank, and Aatrox W heals him on every third AA.

Also, have you considered reducing LS/SV amount instead of disabling it completely?

Irelia BotDec 3, 20151 votes

I spicifically said life steal and Spell vamp.

WW and vlad's abilities/passive would still self heal.

This is more for countering champs who get a lot of life steal.

WaffletimewarpDec 3, 20151 votes

As someone who gets a lot of use from thornmail, i do not approve of this.

RebonackDec 3, 20151 votes

I still think it would be neat if it got some OnHit damage equal to some percentage of your total armor.

It's the only major armor item that doesn't make you more of a threat somehow (barring shit like Ohm).

item 3110 IAS nerf aura. item 3025 Spellblade slow. item 3143 AoE slow. item 3068 Aoe Burn. item 3742 Massive speedboost/slow.

There's also an HP/OnHit item item 3748 . And an MR/OnHit item item 3091 . But no Armor/OnHit item.

CrettDec 3, 20151 votes

Thornmail is about dealing with autoattackers, not turning Rammus into an assassin

BeldairDec 3, 20151 votes

Thornmail is good the way it is. It's the best counter to a Yi problem.

YumaS2AstralDec 3, 20151 votes

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Thornmail is good the way it is. It's the best counter to a Yi problem.

No, because Yi deal lots of true damage (and magic damage with Sated Devourer and Guinsoo) he basically bypasses Thornmail, which is a item that Yi laughs at unless he is building full AD.

Shuriman CuratorDec 3, 20151 votes

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No, because Yi deal lots of true damage (and magic damage with Sated Devourer and Guinsoo) he basically bypasses Thornmail, which is a item that Yi laughs at unless he is building full AD.

I agree, I recall a match where I played Nasus. By late game I had about 5k health around 300 armor(an itrm was thornmail) and about 150 magic resist with over 500 stacks, 40% cdr. The enemy had a yi, and he was pushing top lane second tower. I was in tower range, he q's me and maybe 5 autos and I die. Not even my slow+ frozen heart passive could do anything from his autos.

YumaS2AstralDec 3, 20151 votes

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I agree, I recall a match where I played Nasus. By late game I had about 5k health around 300 armor(an itrm was thornmail) and about 150 magic resist with over 500 stacks, 40% cdr. The enemy had a yi, and he was pushing top lane second tower. I was in tower range, he q's me and maybe 5 autos and I die. Not even my slow+ frozen heart passive could do anything from his autos.

Yi is a good late game counter to Nasus because he can completely bypass Wither with his ultimate. And outduel him.

To be honest I can't think of anyone who can outduel Master Yi, not even Jax because Yi can just "dodge the dodge" with his Q.

The only real way to win against Yi is to CC him and burst him down.

Shuriman CuratorDec 3, 20151 votes

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Yi is a good late game counter to Nasus because he can completely bypass Wither with his ultimate. And outduel him.

To be honest I can't think of anyone who can outduel Master Yi, not even Jax because Yi can just "dodge the dodge" with his Q.

The only real way to win against Yi is to CC him and burst him down.

I know I've had success with Xin late game, there was actually a thread yesterday (I believe) where someone asked what champ can shut down a yi and yasuo(same team).

I played a game against a yasuo on Sunday (as Xin) and built:

Ghostblade Rageblade Sunfire cape Frozen heart Boots of lucidity Sheen(was going to be Trinity)

It was the first time I've tried this build that got to late game and I destroyed the yasuo in one combo.

I may have to keep experimenting with it though.