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Frozen Heart price efficiency

calforrai·4/23/2015, 10:39:55 AM·6 votes·1,034 views

This discussion is mainly to bring some attention to FH's gold efficiency and stat gain compared to other build paths.

Glacial Shroud (250mana, 10%CDR) with Sheen (200mana) builds Iceborn Gauntlet (500mana, 10%CDR) Glacial Shroud (250mana, 10%CDR) with Warden's Mail builds Frozen Heart (400mana, 20%CDR) then looking at other Sheen upgrades Sheen (200mana) with Aether Wisp builds into Lich Bane (250mana) Sheen (200mana) with Zeal and Phage builds into Tri Force (200mana)

What I'm getting at is that the amount of mana Frozen Heart has is inconsistent with other mana item build path. Certain stats can be reduced without breaking the item or taking away the incentive to buy it. Glacial Shroud is 128% gold efficient and Frozen Heart 140% without the passive. So I'm suggesting Glacial Shroud (200mana, 10%CDR) with Warden's Mail builds Frozen Heart (250mana, 10%CDR) which makes Glacial Shroud 118% gold efficient and Frozen Heart 115% gold efficient without the passive.

While FH doesn't seem glaringly OP or oppressive, it is a popular item right now on tank/bruisers (fizz, hecarim, irelia or junglers building cinderhulk+FH+warmog or fast-paced susaN QQing ) therefore making its gold efficiency consistent/reasonable is very much relevant to gameplay balance. A lot of time, certain champion's rise in strength has a lot to do with their itemization. With FH's current price efficiency, it becomes an item that's just so good that there's no reason not to get it, whether you need it or not. Due to it's low price, it gives a lot of power as a 1st/2nd item, similar to Morellonomicon's problem before the price adjustment.

6 Comments

IllusoryLumines4/23/2015, 12:03:39 PM3 votes

{quoted} similar to Morellonomicon's problem before the price adjustment.

No, morellonomicon's problem was that the only item that competed with it got nerfed to death. This is the same for heart.

thinking man4/23/2015, 11:25:26 AM2 votes

Saying you don't think it's OP means that you are suggesting a change just for the sake of change.

Apollocliptic4/23/2015, 11:41:17 AM1 votes

Well I often want to get Iceborn Gauntlet (if you're a caster like Taric or Maokai) but the 20% on frozen heart, the passive buffs, and the 40 extra armour make it so appealing, even if it's not ideal, add the fact that it's like 600 gold cheaper and it becomes hard to imagine why someone would buy Iceborn instead. But it's not necessarily something to change, I still get Iceborn because sometimes it's what I need (maokai's sustain and ability to deal damage changes greatly with iceborn or FH). Having Iceborn and his frequent cast time, a maokai gank can lead to a dead APC or ADC, and can help him duel against top laners, without it, he becomes entirely dependant on ally support, which depending on the game is fine, but the benefits from Iceborn, even being statistically weaker, make it a worthy buy, changing FH would only prompt more towards the damage dealer instead of the support defence item.

I can say as lulu and Nami, I often consider Iceborn, because of the extra AoE slow, the fact that they have such short cd means they can trigger it more often, and the ap helps too. But FH is more typical because of the extra armour and Aura. Changing it would have a big impact on build paths, it is VERY efficient, but if it wasn't people might struggle or just build iceborn instead. (most supports won't go Iceborn cause of the cost, but it synergizes well with many)

Phoenix Kotori 4/25/2015, 8:54:08 PM1 votes

Please do anything besides lower the CDR, non-mage CDR option are complete shit anyways atm, we need need 1 fucking 20% item for us.

item 3065 nerfed to 10 item 3069 nerfed to 10 item 3025 nerfed to 10

Literally only non-mage one left will be item 3050, no fucking thanks.

Sincerely everyone who plays mana using non-mages.