I love Mordekaiser but I hate playing him

Malicious Metal·Dec 10, 2015·109 votes·4,952 views

I adore his design. A heavy Metal Overlord of Conquest clad in an iron shell. His theme as an unrelenting force of malevolence, coming for you and there bing nothing you can do to stop him. His voice, a strange sense of superiority and contempt lingering in it.

But by god do I hate playing him in his current state. I hate being bullied out of lane due to my shitty base stats I hate me not having ANY fallback pattern when I'm getting trashed, no way of playing safe, no way of simply farming for my late game I hate basically handicapping myself if i want to roll solo I hate how no matter how proficient I am in playing him there are champions that get rewarded way easier with way less effort.

//rant//

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VhalthoriaDec 10, 201532 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uIqeApch,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-12-10T12:59:48.267+0000)

I adore his design. A heavy Metal Overlord of Conquest clad in an iron shell. His theme as an unrelenting force of malevolence, coming for you and there bing nothing you can do to stop him. His voice, a strange sense of superiority and contempt lingering in it.

But by god do I hate playing him in his current state. I hate being bullied out of lane due to my shitty base stats I hate me not having ANY fallback pattern when I'm getting trashed, no way of playing safe, no way of simply farming for my late game I hate basically handicapping myself if i want to roll solo I hate how no matter how proficient I am in playing him there are champions that get rewarded way easier with way less effort.

//rant//

We all Morde mains feel your pain, Malicious. But you already know that for a fact. I myself are still very,very, very angry at this piece of shit "Upgrade" that was forced upon the champion we all used to love.

It further pisses me off the fact that WE warned of this disaster before it was even live, and still the designer behind it (Not gonna say names to keep it in old rage rather than new rage) ignored us because he fucking knew best. For a fact he knew shit about the design of this champion.

Now, we just get shitty tweaks to his new already awful kit in order to call it a day and avoid heavy back-lashing, at least for a while.

Champions should be balanced around the players who enjoy playing them, not just a single douchebag that thinks he knows best and molded him to his liking.

I'm pissed, really pissed to see this kind of treatment be allowed on the champion that got me into this damn game. And to this day, my only way of showing them how displeased I am with all of this is to refuse to support/play the game at all, until he is either back to functionality, reverted, or properly reworked.

Old Mordekaiser was a true General, a true fucking Behemoth, a true fucking Juggernaut. This piece of shit, however, is just the work taken from somebody's ass.

They kept fucking up with the designs, changes, tweaks, even when they came with the shitty yet generic "The Lord of Death" title to further prove they don't have the sightliest idea of what the fuck they are doing with him anymore. They aren't even trying with him. So fucking pissed right now...

3TWarriorDec 10, 20151 votes

they changed the title to a player suggested one but I forgot what it was..it was much better than either of the previous title though

TDubHDec 10, 20152 votes

"Iron revenant."

VhalthoriaDec 10, 20157 votes

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"Iron revenant."

Before that, the dicks behind Morde's rework process chose "Lord of Death" provoking major fire due to them not even doing proper research about and proving they are just tweaking and changing up their asses, then a kind user suggested what came to be his new title and he is now known as the Iron Revenant. I like the name, it will not surpass the Master of Metal but at least is sounds very decent.

As for the shitfest storm Morde has suffered from. I don't tolerate half-assed shit when it comes to the stuff I love and feel passionate in. They need to try way harder than whatever the shit they are doing right now or simply pass the torch to any competent soul that do has the proper skills and dedication to make it work.

TDubHDec 11, 20151 votes

they changed the title to a player suggested one but I forgot what it was..it was much better than either of the previous title though

iron revenant

Simply the response to what he was indirectly asking... i only commented on what his new title is, not anything about it so the fact that you gave me this response is pretty funny.

TBH i don't disagree with you though.

MordepoolDec 10, 20156 votes

Hey guys for those who don't know me. I quit league over this shit mountain Rework. I have done my best to help fix this. But its the design at its core that's the problem not anything tweaks can fix. Keep up the Threads I'll be absent for the next 3 weeks recovering g from lazer eye surgery.

Hopefully when I get my new eyes Mordekaiser might be something worth looking at

S1 Morde Main ex Lol player. Hopefully pessimistic.

Chespin2013Dec 10, 20153 votes

If it was a champion that was popular like Lee Sin, Ahri, or Yasuo, Riot would have listened since they get special treatment. Unfortunately for Mordekaiser he is not popular because he doesn't make flashy plays so Riot half assed this rework for him. I wish Riot would stop with the bias for champions. A Riven rework was on the PBE for like a day until Riven mains told Riot this wasn't a good a idea so they didn't go through with it. Meanwhile Morde's fanbase gets ignored when they ask for this rework to be changed. The only changed thing we got was the title changing because the boards got really pissed with that lazy Lord of Death title.

devdev463Dec 11, 20151 votes

This post gives me so many feels about the xerath rework. I fucking love old xeraths root mechanic and when I played the reworked version they just made him ziggs. To this day I am still saddened by the xerath rework.

Big LincolnDec 10, 201510 votes

I tried playing him a week or so ago

Never had less fun in a game

He used to be my favorite champ but this rework is just terrible on so many levels. I think he needs another one with more put into his kit

Count ZubatDec 10, 20156 votes

I can agree that playing him in lane isn't really fun, but not long ago I played him jungle... and I actually enjoyed it. I feel like Morde is right now best in jungle, where you can peacefully farm. His heal is awesome right there, as it works in jungle monsters like on champions. If your team mates have CC, your ganks are pretty strong, especially when maxing W. And I love last change to Q scaling, maybe it isn't as strong as before, but you can safely max it last, going for really good sustain and ganking power from W and good shield gain from E, while not loosing too much Q damage. Last game I went 12/4/19 and I had a lot of fun. But solo lane? For now, I'm gonna pass on it. Until more changes are made, he won't be that fun on either top or mid lane.

DrOinkleBerryDec 10, 20152 votes

He is really great in the jungle for clearing, dueling, and objective control (dat Dragon Ghost). However, after early game, he starts to suffer the same problems as lane Morde... infinite kiting, inability to support his team, inability to build mostly damage or else he dies instantly... I can only play him jungle because that early game is actually fun, but he's still fucked once he leaves the jungle phase.

PredaconDec 10, 20155 votes

I do miss when Mordekaiser was strong though, he was so fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0deA1JUUZFQ

KosomicDec 11, 20155 votes

Well its about time that I throw my input in on another Morde thread.

M.M. knows me as I occasionally float around these parts. I have played Pre-DoomedWork Morde, I was with any other Morde main making his case for them to stop the rework. I've been through it all and let me say this.

They. Done. Screwed. Up.

This has to be the saddest moment I have seen for the iron man and before pitchforks arrive, hear me out.

Morde was, in my opinion, in a solid spot before this rework ever happened. Everything in his kit worked gloriously around his passive which is what made me want to play him. This was a champion who's passive, unlike a lot of champions, wasn't a simply buff but a tool. In the hands of a good Morde, you always had some kind of shield, otherwise not so much. That is what so interesting, The range of value you got from him was based on your experience alone. Even if you were in an unfavorable match up, say Ahri . She has always been annoying for Morde to deal with. Plenty of tools to deal with him. There was still plenty you could do even if you can't harass her. Throw your W around your self when your about to take a ball, Q a minion and get shield from each one it echoed to allowed you to stay in the game instead of being thrown out by all these long range champs.

Well look at him now.

His passive, what i considered the most influential part of his kit was trashed. His shield gain is pitiful early game compared to what it once was, a necessary tool that made Morde what he was, and then they stick him bottom lane where your guaranteed a long range opponent that will undoubtedly poke you. I always had doubts with the rework and his current state unfortunately proved them to be correct, he simply doesn't feel fun to play as and hurts me to play as knowing him from pre-rework and to see how low they have dragged him down. Anytime you time to E the carry you will just get kited down. Their range just is longer than the E ever could be and even if you do hit it, you will either lose the trade due to the health cost or come out barley even.

The 3x 3x 6x Q now did nothing but hurt Morde. They put a ridiculous amount of Mordes power on the Q during the rework and though they hated the idea of the summoner 4 third Q, but what did they expect us to do? No sane person would willingly let us hit them with the third Q and it was our only true way to output his damage without help. You see, the key to the problem, once again, in my opinion, is the bot lane switch. Its purpose was clear as to make Morde a more team oriented champion and threw this reliance on your support to be able to contribute to the game. The side affect is that you lack significance until such on opportunity a rises. Of course it wasn't like this before, after the rework he was a god and would roll over any adc but that just showed how bad of a spot adc's were in at the time and how wonky Mordes numbers were. If they actually wanted Morde to be a bot lane menace they would have made his Q like the old one except when it would echo out, it would bounce around like a Fiddlesticks E and then his E would have another 300 range! Sounds ridiculous right? Well unfortunately these are the sort of things they would have to do to his current catastrophe of a kit to make him an actual bottom laner. Better base stats will help don't get me wrong but its the kit that is the ultimate problem. They tried something for Morde which failed horrendously but still want to make viable solo lane and keep the bot lane idea going for what ever selfish reasons they have. The result is that they don't make a move in either direction, not back to the old Morde or something crazy for bottom lane Morde but eliminating solo lane Mordes viability and so were stuck watching them fiddle around with numbers praying it might work out.

As a result a feel as though he will be out for the count for a while until Riot makes a bold move on him. With this Shakespearean tragedy I have stopped playing League and have playing some Pikmin 2 again. Ah those good days when the solo player experience actually mattered. Rest assured, I haven't given up. I'm just waiting until the time is right for Morde to rise again.

In the mean time I look forward to Yooka-Laylee from PlayTonic games, hope some Banjo- Kazooie fans are still out there.

rmch99Dec 10, 20154 votes

Good news! Small morde buff on PBE! -Iron Man (Passive) Shield decay per second reduced to 1.5% from 2% -Siphon of Destruction (E) damage increased to 45/75/105/135/165 from 35/65/95/125/155 -Children of the Graves (R) [ghost now gains (1.0 bonus AD) attack damage instead of 10/25/50] So he's a bit more sustained with his tankiness, a bit more poke damage, and a bit stronger ghosts if he builds AD, weaker on full AP.

Malicious MetalDec 10, 20153 votes

Metal gods be praised!

As small as they are they're still buffs and I won't say no to those.

The Ultimate change is interesting. Those building AP won't get a very strong clone but with my current build it'll be basically the same, heck, even stronger during mid game building a Gunblade and taking the natural talent mastery. :)

EDIT; It does irk me that they're tweaking so carefully and in places that don't require as many buffs as for example his base stats and W. Interesting, yet strangely reassuring.

The Blue RajahDec 10, 20152 votes

I dunno. That's a 25% decrease in the shield decay speed. That's the sort of thing I feel is more substantial than it looks. Hopefully it'll have some real impact.

I do wonder about them buffing his E yet again. I thought they said they didn't want him to level that first, but it keeps getting buffed, lol.

Malicious MetalDec 11, 20152 votes

You don't even get much benefit from maxing q anymore and the scaling %shield gain from his E already makes it the best option to max first.

But hey, 10 more damage helps quite a bit when farming. Also, by level 9 (maxed E) his siphon will deal 227 "base" damage, only 23 less than pre rework.

TengrichanDec 10, 201510 votes

His base stats are still bad.His W is still bad.His hp costs are still high.His Ghost controlling is still glitched and sometimes won't attack or move on command. all right,call me when they will actually do something about him and not just band-aid his problems

t0ad5Dec 10, 20154 votes

They screwed him up and lost me as a customer.

MordepoolDec 10, 20152 votes

Me too

kaltenashesDec 10, 20154 votes

mordekaiser in Legend Of The Poro King (aka aram without ar, AM)

http://turupupu.ru/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/gif97d0039.gif

LudovicoDec 10, 20153 votes

I know how that feels.

I still love Xerath, but I hate playing him.

Even though Morde got trashed in a whole new dimension...

Artificial HumanDec 10, 20153 votes

Okay, im really curious. As what do you see Mordekaiser? Whenever i come to Mordekaiser threads, i get the impression that his fanbase like him because of his "Heavy Metal" (like in music theme instead of his armor) theme. Do you seem him more as such instead of a Undead Warlord like Overlord, Sauron or the Lich King?

This might sound slight offensive, but i actually do care about Mordekaiser and never actually saw him as the "Heavy Metal (Music)" Knight. More like a Fallen Knight with a giant mace. There is almost always the word "Heavy Metal" in a Mordekaiser thread, which lefts me kinda alienated because im not into it at all. It's really strange, so i thought i might contribute to the conversation.

To begin with, Mordekaiser is flawed, which is no secret. His kit and gameplay identitiy are a gigantic mess which reminds me of the old Sion. This is the first thing that has to be visualized before oneself, before talking about possible solution. Mordekaiser can only be improved and fixed if parts of him gets sacrificed and replaced with better and new elements. He can't be improved if he doesn't sacrifice some parts of him that makes him what he is. Just like Poppy, Trundle, Sion and more did. They had a dedicated fanbase but they got changed somewhat drastically from their former self, for the better!

Riot actually talked about making mordekaiser from AP to ad once, long ago, before obviously dumping that idea. I initially expected that they work on making Mordekaiser AD and finding a way to make him work that way. Think about it, he is a giant guy, with a giant mace, why doesn't he deal any physical damage outside of his basic attacks? It would open him up to new abilities and ways how to improve and fix his dilemma. Being AP restricts him, from the items he can use and the balancing that is possible. Why not allow him to be reinvented to an hard hitting AD Juggernaut? Perhaps then, he can finally secure his place in the Top Lane. Yes i know, AP Mordekaiser Mid was fun, but didn't make much sense either, it was either extreme feast or famine. The Iron Revenant will only be restored if his fanbase allows him to change ! Because change is what he needs, how can Riot fix him if his fanbase doesn't allow him to change and be open about new things? Don't get me wrong here, the dedication you and the other Mordekaiser mains have for him is very VERY admirable. Even getting his title to change and giving feedback and possible solutions on a regular basis.

AP Mordekaiser should die and be reborn as a AD Juggernaut with old improved and new abilities that truly suits the Iron Revenant. Change passion for the old Mordekaiser to full commitment to improve and re-enhance the ancient Warlord. Let him experience the Phoenix Effect , so that he might find his true identitiy and place in the League of Legends!

One last thing, i think the Juggernaut update on Mordekaiser is a big fail expect for his Q, so i dont want him to get butchered, i really think this is a necessary step, otherwise Riot will be too scared or hesitate to change mordekaiser. Do we really want Mordekaiser to become the second Skarner ? No, you guys obviously deserve better, but have to change aswell instead of desperately trying to preserve all of Mordekaiser abilities and making them "slightly" better.

This is what i think about this whole situation.

VhalthoriaDec 10, 20155 votes

[{quoted}](name=Abyssal Armor,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uIqeApch,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2015-12-10T18:54:38.385+0000)

Okay, im really curious. As what do you see Mordekaiser? Whenever i come to Mordekaiser threads, i get the impression that his fanbase like him because of his "Heavy Metal" (like in music theme instead of his armor) theme. Do you seem him more as such instead of a Undead Warlord like Overlord, Sauron or the Lich King?

This might sound slight offensive, but i actually do care about Mordekaiser and never actually saw him as the "Heavy Metal (Music)" Knight. More like a Fallen Knight with a giant mace. There is almost always the word "Heavy Metal" in a Mordekaiser thread, which lefts me kinda alienated because im not into it at all. It's really strange, so i thought i might contribute to the conversation.

To begin with, Mordekaiser is flawed, which is no secret. His kit and gameplay identitiy are a gigantic mess which reminds me of the old Sion. This is the first thing that has to be visualized before oneself, before talking about possible solution. Mordekaiser can only be improved and fixed if parts of him gets sacrificed and replaced with better and new elements. He can't be improved if he doesn't sacrifice some parts of him that makes him what he is. Just like Poppy, Trundle, Sion and more did. They had a dedicated fanbase but they got changed somewhat drastically from their former self, for the better!

Riot actually talked about making mordekaiser from AP to ad once, long ago, before obviously dumping that idea. I initially expected that they work on making Mordekaiser AD and finding a way to make him work that way. Think about it, he is a giant guy, with a giant mace, why doesn't he deal any physical damage outside of his basic attacks? It would open him up to new abilities and ways how to improve and fix his dilemma. Being AP restricts him, from the items he can use and the balancing that is possible. Why not allow him to be reinvented to an hard hitting AD Juggernaut? Perhaps then, he can finally secure his place in the Top Lane. Yes i know, AP Mordekaiser Mid was fun, but didn't make much sense either, it was either extreme feast or famine. The Iron Revenant will only be restored if his fanbase allows him to change ! Because change is what he needs, how can Riot fix him if his fanbase doesn't allow him to change and be open about new things? Don't get me wrong here, the dedication you and the other Mordekaiser mains have for him is very VERY admirable. Even getting his title to change and giving feedback and possible solutions on a regular basis.

AP Mordekaiser should die and be reborn as a AD Juggernaut with old improved and new abilities that truly suits the Iron Revenant. Change passion for the old Mordekaiser to full commitment to improve and re-enhance the ancient Warlord. Let him experience the Phoenix Effect , so that he might find his true identitiy and place in the League of Legends!

One last thing, i think the Juggernaut update on Mordekaiser is a big fail expect for his Q, so i dont want him to get butchered, i really think this is a necessary step, otherwise Riot will be too scared or hesitate to change mordekaiser. Do we really want Mordekaiser to become the second Skarner ? No, you guys obviously deserve better, but have to change aswell instead of desperately trying to preserve all of Mordekaiser abilities and making them "slightly" better.

This is what i think about this whole situation.

His Q is the very reason why he got trashed statwise. Because of that is why he got butchered and his movement speed crippled. I'm up for changes, the thing is these changes weren't for the better and instead finished ruining the champion. He was given a nuke in exchange of every single tool in order to allow him to apply it himself, therefore, forcing him into a duo lane. Again, I'm up for changes but the thing is when your champion gets totally changed to serve another role outside yours then being up for changes is just irrelevant from that moment on. That is why I'm personally angry at them. For taking the champion from me and serving him to another different playerbase that only use him for the cheap stuff, but now that he's been "balanced" and all the artificial advantage shits the designers implemented on him are gone then nobody plays him for real. No mains, no Freelo Express riders alike, no one.

I played mostly main top lane Mordekaiser, and he was pretty damn good up there, granted, in the right hands.

I like Ranged Morde more than this version and if it were for me I would gladly sacrifice his Mace for the identity back.

You have very valid points, but the very reason we are pissed is because this rework was a total failure and alienated us from the champion we love. So these changes made us angry, and the "Change" mentality is irrelevant to us Morde players because these changes just took the champion away from us.

My Waifu VanillaDec 11, 20151 votes

I remember saying the first time he hit pbe for the "rework" they should've just went all-in on an AD rework instead of this hybrid shitstorm we got. He would be able to ACTUALLY itemize well if he had better AD scalings and did physical damage since Black Cleaver would've been a blessing to him if he did physical damage (since as AP he gets jack for CDR out of items) and items like Titanic Hydra/Mallet/Steraks/etc would be much better items to pick up than they already are. The new Death's Dance would also be better on him than Gunblade if he did physical damage since it gives defensive stats as well as the vamp (since he can shield AND vamp through the bleed). Idk I just feel him being AP still is just riot not wanting to change him THAT much, but instead gimp him for it still. I mean they had no problem FORCING Poppy and Sion into AD builds when they were both easily played both ways pre-reworks (poppy didn't do THAT good AP after removal of DFG but it wasn't complete garbage).

One final thought. Why does Morde still not pay out of shield for his health costs if they are going to keep them at such an absurd number compared to every other health user WHO ALL HAVE SUSTAIN BUILT INTO KIT. Like I would at least like to somewhat "heal" the costs by avoiding them somewhat if I land an E first or something because it doesn't matter if I sit at full shield all laning phase if I'm at 3/4 by using E for harass.

JedenVojakDec 10, 20154 votes

[{quoted}](name=Abyssal Armor,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uIqeApch,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2015-12-10T18:54:38.385+0000)

Okay, im really curious. As what do you see Mordekaiser? Whenever i come to Mordekaiser threads, i get the impression that his fanbase like him because of his "Heavy Metal" (like in music theme instead of his armor) theme. Do you seem him more as such instead of a Undead Warlord like Overlord, Sauron or the Lich King?

I see him as a powerful mage knight like Sauron. Key word there being "mage" as in magic damage fueled by magic.

This might sound slight offensive, but i actually do care about Mordekaiser and never actually saw him as the "Heavy Metal (Music)" Knight. More like a Fallen Knight with a giant mace. There is almost always the word "Heavy Metal" in a Mordekaiser thread, which lefts me kinda alienated because im not into it at all. It's really strange, so i thought i might contribute to the conversation.

Just like Poppy, Trundle, Sion and more did. They had a dedicated fanbase but they got changed somewhat drastically from their former self, for the better!

Poppy is not better. She is in many ways considerably worse.

AP Mordekaiser should die and be reborn as a AD Juggernaut with old improved and new abilities that truly suits the Iron Revenant.

No. That idea is bad - Mordekaiser functions much better as an AP caster champion. Turning him into an AD champ would only ruin any fun that could ever have possibly be had for him.

Malicious MetalDec 10, 20155 votes

"Heavy Metal" in as basically the manifestation of the music genre; Brutal, heavy, powerful, with themes commonly found in the genre. Also quite literal heavy and metal XD

I'd gladly see him reworked fully BUT I think being the only AP Juggernaut is what makes him unique. Also, he's less like Darius who slices you but his strength comes from necromantic energies and unholy magic infusing his armor and Nightfall, his cursed touch and mastery over the fabrics of Death make his strikes so devastating.

DJ S0NADec 10, 20153 votes

I also love his design, story, voice overs and skins. But as I bought him, I can't win with him in any lane, but bot lane. He only wins with alot of sustain from his partner and from the relic shield. I can only get fed and be good only with someone who supports me a.k.a a support.

Laning phase, a support with a relic shield makes him god like unkillable with 2 targon's brace or the upgraded tanky support item. As a begin to buy AP, he catches people and destroys completely, but only with some ally if he isn't fed. He has complete crap movement speed for a juggernaut and he has no ways to try to gap close. If you see other reworked juggernauts (Garen, Darius, Skarner) they all have a small gap closer or a spell who catches people. Mordekaiser just sits in the back, being useless and getting kited.

All I want for him is to have damage in solo lanes, have a better W because it's completely useless at solo lanes, have somekind of slow on any of his abilities, have MORE damage on his Q because the previous x1/x3/x9 combo was ALOT BETTER than x3/x3/x6, and have alot better base stats because his base HP and HP per level is crap (and also his armor p/lvl).

If you are reading this riot, please help all the Mordekaiser mains who are alone in the dark. They are desperate on playing their favorite champion, but can't play because he has no power in any point of the game.

I hope I help you Morde mains Mordekaiser . From a Sona main Sona

Malicious MetalDec 10, 20159 votes

For Pentakill! http://img0.reactor.cc/pics/post/full/League-of-Legends-фэндомы-Yorick-Mordekaiser-1324029.jpeg

WyrmbladeDec 10, 20153 votes

I've had fun recently playing him as an AP bruiser top, I think his current E and Q are balanced, they just need to remove all the gimmicks and let him just be morde.

It feels like he has to have shitty stats just to let the dumb dragon gimmick exist and that isn't fun.

macromiteDec 11, 20153 votes

sometimes, you just need to accept loss and move on. riot never reverts changes, so we're gonna be stuck with this new and very not mordekaiser character. I suggest finding a new main.

PDE5 InhibitorsDec 11, 20153 votes

It's rito's balance team in a nutshell. They either make a champ stupid OP when they buff them, or complete garbage when they nerf them. They don't understand the concept of not going overboard.

Mr VulcanatorDec 11, 20152 votes

Yep. I'm getting angry about how terrible they are at balancing. There are so many heroes that aren't worth playing because Riot broke them and will not fix them. And they take forever to nerf OP heroes, but when they do they nerf them into oblivion.

KhâmulDec 10, 20152 votes

It's not that catastrophic in solo lane. the only thing is that you have to play with 2/3 spells in duels.still funny to do that for the challenge.
Playing him botlane is shit now, he is less viable in there than the old morde. Still in toplane, you can beat many picks but you can't afford yourself to play recklessly. the biggest issue is getting a spell that isn't that efficient. Unfortunately, i can't afford myself to play ranked for now, my pc freezes more and my ping is so high sometimes that t destroys my roof. but in normal, morde is the only(yes,the only one) champ I play. He really lacks identity. getting low stats and being called a juggernaut is a joke. but he isn't that unfunny to play

JotunheimrDec 10, 20151 votes

I can agree with this.

Solo Top Mord IS possible in the right hands.

In terms of w useage, have you tried using 2 movespeed quints, taking ghost and flash, and getting boots early?

Lv. 1 at almost 350 movespeed is a lot better 325. The quints are like free boots lv. 1.

I also agree about the challenge. I play Mord top because I feel the challenge is fun, and it teaches me to play safe pre six. Afterwards, Desolation is coming.

Although, when I play Mord, I feel like a true juggernaut because I start weak but my mid and late I only get stronger and stronger even if behind(unless constantly focused). By late game with my Mord play, I begin racking up kills and hard pushing objectives, which normally result in won games.

Maaaaannnnn I cant wait till pbe changes on Mord hit live, keep the buffs a coming. I imagine the Iron Man buff and e damage buff will help his solo lane nicely.

Something must be up with w if they are avoiding it so much

KhâmulDec 10, 20151 votes

{quoted}

I can agree with this.

Solo Top Mord IS possible in the right hands.

In terms of w useage, have you tried using 2 movespeed quints, taking ghost and flash, and getting boots early?

Lv. 1 at almost 350 movespeed is a lot better 325. The quints are like free boots lv. 1.

I also agree about the challenge. I play Mord top because I feel the challenge is fun, and it teaches me to play safe pre six. Afterwards, Desolation is coming.

Although, when I play Mord, I feel like a true juggernaut because I start weak but my mid and late I only get stronger and stronger even if behind(unless constantly focused). By late game with my Mord play, I begin racking up kills and hard pushing objectives, which normally result in won games.

Maaaaannnnn I cant wait till pbe changes on Mord hit live, keep the buffs a coming. I imagine the Iron Man buff and e damage buff will help his solo lane nicely.

Something must be up with w if they are avoiding it so much

I'm not really relying on movespeed with Mordekaiser. for quints, I took crd/level for the late game because I think the rylai will be enough to get close to people. I also have armor/lvl, mr/lvl and magic pen. So my early is reaally weak so i play really safe . Concerning the summoners, I play ghost/ignite or flash/ignite (I take the boot with the enchant to reduce the cooldown of these spells). Unfortunately, Mordekaiser needs ignite (especially if you want to get kills in early because his ultimate get countered by a health potion... taking ghost or flash isn't a strategy (because i play normal,my pc is fucked up for ranked XD). but if it was in ranked,it would depend of the enemy composition.

VhalthoriaDec 11, 20151 votes

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Unfortunately, Mordekaiser needs ignite (especially if you want to get kills in early because his ultimate get countered by a health potion...

taking ghost or flash isn't a strategy (because i play normal,my pc is fucked up for ranked XD). but if it was in ranked,it would depend of the enemy composition.

Actually, he doesn't. I mained Top Mordekaiser with mostly Ghost/Teleport and I feel confident in saying you really don't need Ignite. If you are using your Lv1 Ult for the DoT damage then you are using it wrong. At Lv1, it should be used as an Execute, meaning that you really need to make the proper calculations in order to kill with the initial burst or as I call it, "The Cardiac Arrest inducing spell", not the DoT. Unless you are just marking them before finishing them off with Q as now it is the main damage source. But if you are indeed looking to finish them off with ult then what I just mentioned applies.

Of course, this is something that comes with experience but once you get there you will know when to execute them and get sneaky kills with it by second nature, without ever relying on Ignite. Ignite is definitely great on him, can't deny the fact, but for Top, in my case is really not that necessary. Mid Morde is another thing of course but Teleport was always a favorite for me due to the constant pressure you can apply with it and valuable your utility is when it comes to global contesting.

KhâmulDec 11, 20151 votes

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Unfortunately, Mordekaiser needs ignite (especially if you want to get kills in early because his ultimate get countered by a health potion...

Actually, he doesn't. I mained Top Mordekaiser with mostly Ghost/Teleport and I feel confident in saying you really don't need Ignite. If you are using your Lv1 Ult for the DoT damage then you are using it wrong. At Lv1, it should be used as an Execute, meaning that you really need to make the proper calculations in order to kill with the initial burst or as I call it, "The Cardiac Arrest inducing spell", not the DoT. Unless you are just marking them before finishing them off with Q as now it is the main damage source. But if you are indeed looking to finish them off with ult then what I just mentioned applies.

Of course, this is something that comes with experience but once you get there you will know when to execute them and get sneaky kills with it by second nature, without ever relying on Ignite. Ignite is definitely great on him, can't deny the fact, but for Top, in my case is really not that necessary. Mid Morde is another thing of course but Teleport was always a favorite for me due to the constant pressure you can apply with it and valuable your utility is when it comes to global contesting.

the thing is , when i don't have ignite, i use it as an execute (as you said) or when the enemy doesn't have potions anymore. Still, I adopted an aggressive playstyle where I hardpush. I'm in this case waiting for the jungler, so I pressure the lane opponent to the point where going 1v1=equal death. So when the jungle come,I go back and observe the reaction of both players ,their health.Since I always take potions to be 70%hp or +,I can trade the jungler without using the ultimate and the ignite (if the other player come,he offers me a double kill) Ofc you can use your teleport to have more presence in the game. But I choose to have more presence in the game by removing the presence of the enemy jungler from the other lanes XD. I think it's just a playstyle that is very tricky (sometimes,it ends as a faillure but it's fun).

VhalthoriaDec 11, 20151 votes

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the thing is , when i don't have ignite, i use it as an execute (as you said) or when the enemy doesn't have potions anymore. Still, I adopted an aggressive playstyle where I hardpush. I'm in this case waiting for the jungler, so I pressure the lane opponent to the point where going 1v1=equal death. So when the jungle come,I go back and observe the reaction of both players ,their health.Since I always take potions to be 70%hp or +,I can trade the jungler without using the ultimate and the ignite (if the other player come,he offers me a double kill) Ofc you can use your teleport to have more presence in the game. But I choose to have more presence in the game by removing the presence of the enemy jungler from the other lanes XD. I think it's just a playstyle that is very tricky (sometimes,it ends as a faillure but it's fun).

I remember this time when I did the "Hue Express" at bot lane. I went to base, finished my core items and as soon as I saw the enemy jungler ganking and bot engaging with mid health everyone, I teleported there in the bush, activated ghost, and blew their ADC out of nowhere in a instant, then resumed to wipe the other two while their top never had the chance to follow as he canceled his teleport due to it happening so fast. After that their bot was just completely demoralized lol.

The Hue Express was my term for teleporting with Ghost/Homeguard and ramming over everything while perma-slowing and burning my targets. Those are the day I miss the most, the days of Old Mordekaiser's badassery. I swear I'll make a tribute thread in the name of Old Morde and once a year, in the same exact date this rework took place, I will make funeral/amends thread to remember him. I promise...

VhalthoriaDec 11, 20152 votes

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I can agree with this.

Solo Top Mord IS possible in the right hands.

In terms of w useage, have you tried using 2 movespeed quints, taking ghost and flash, and getting boots early?

Lv. 1 at almost 350 movespeed is a lot better 325. The quints are like free boots lv. 1.

I also agree about the challenge. I play Mord top because I feel the challenge is fun, and it teaches me to play safe pre six. Afterwards, Desolation is coming.

Although, when I play Mord, I feel like a true juggernaut because I start weak but my mid and late I only get stronger and stronger even if behind(unless constantly focused). By late game with my Mord play, I begin racking up kills and hard pushing objectives, which normally result in won games.

Maaaaannnnn I cant wait till pbe changes on Mord hit live, keep the buffs a coming. I imagine the Iron Man buff and e damage buff will help his solo lane nicely.

Something must be up with w if they are avoiding it so much

I loved MS quints on Old Morde, my main build relied on MS quints and Ghost (As shown in my legacy guide) but that's when he had 340 base MS, where I could just enter the lane with an initial whooping 370+ MS, but for the new Morde I think spending to much on MS is not so efficient as you are sacrificing a lot just to be on par with your opponent's MS who could just rush early boots to keep their mobility on par with yours (if not better) while having better stats than you do. But that's just me, everybody has their style and that's what makes the world rich so props to you for sticking with your strategy.

This Morde is easy to shut down by any competent player who also happen to have any knowledge on the champion. Old Morde was amazing at top, even better than mid but new Morde sadly just plain loses to 90% of the matchups up there. I don't see any champion whom might have difficulties at top vs Mordekaiser but that's probably because I mained him and know him from A to Z. Pretty sure I can counter new Mordekaiser with any champion, even with the new Soraka at top (I used to do lots of Top Soraka before her rework. Could first blood Riven players at 3:00 mark, and could shut down Old Mordes pretty hard with her). Although, old Soraka would have been a nightmare for new Morde.

The issue with this Morde is that every single weakness he had in the pass has been greatly amplified and he is now easier to shut down all game by competent teams.

LostSoul666Dec 10, 20152 votes

I found there was NO reason to do what CaetainlyT did to him. His Q is horrible and His W only works in a duo lane...

Stars ShaperDec 10, 20152 votes

Keystones are now garbage for both of my mains while they have been improved for the coolkid picks. I'm stopping playing this game for good untill they work on Morde and Xerath to make them at least able to play in the game.

JotunheimrDec 10, 20151 votes

Try DFT on him. It gives that extra nudge, and I do believe the ult procs it nicely.

Stars ShaperDec 11, 20152 votes

That's what I've been doing but all it does is being the less worse. Keystones made character customization as bad as wow when new "cool talents" where introduced. I guess that damned crab had to come and ruin this game too.

Crveni MalboroDec 10, 20152 votes

Same with Irelia

TwoDDec 10, 20152 votes

Morde VU 2016

Burnt Iron KingDec 10, 20152 votes

https://i.warosu.org/data/vr/img/0026/95/1443192346288.png

DrOinkleBerryDec 10, 20152 votes

Not even to mention that even if you do well, all the enemy team needs to do is build an item or two to infinitely kite you to render you incapable of doing anything anyway. "Gee, I'm so glad to be 8/0! Too bad their Ezreal built frozen fist so I can't reach them even with my Rylai's! Too bad I can't build tons of MR penetration to kill their front line, cause if I do, I'll just explode in 2 seconds! Balanced!"

item 3070 Mordekaiser

Hella KaiserDec 11, 20152 votes

with his current kit he needs some sort of cc or mobility... before he had enough burst to kill everyone that got too close to him... no there are 2 option 1)you die before hitting with your 3° Q 2) they escape...