Did we really need Deaths Dance though?

NodirjonSattarov·Apr 4, 2018·4 votes·1,455 views

The whole idea of it to delay damage implies there is too much damage (which is a completely different story) but the item is really oppressive if you’re on the receiving end and you’re behind.

19 Comments

ZephyrDrakeApr 4, 20182 votes

And yet barely anyone bothers building it

kaironenApr 4, 20181 votes

Only 3 people I think I see build it are draven, kaisa, and riven. I might of forgotten a few who build it (I think kayne builds it sometimes but not sure) but that item is dumb when it is paired with phantom dancer or some other hp items. I was facing a draven few days ago and he took like no damage when I was aaing him as Caitlyn (we were full build). He had phantom dancer, ga, tabi, and deathdance. It might be the amount of defense like items he had but it was still pretty dumb.

FOR JUSTICEApr 4, 20181 votes

pretty sure duelists like fiora build DD also.

Cairo KingApr 4, 20181 votes

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Only 3 people I think I see build it are draven, kaisa, and riven. I might of forgotten a few who build it (I think kayne builds it sometimes but not sure) but that item is dumb when it is paired with phantom dancer or some other hp items. I was facing a draven few days ago and he took like no damage when I was aaing him as Caitlyn (we were full build). He had phantom dancer, ga, tabi, and deathdance. It might be the amount of defense like items he had but it was still pretty dumb.

Did you have executioners? Pretty sure even then in a straight up 1v1 you will no beat draven auto for auto unless you really out play him a place your traps perfectly but even then. Dravens kit is all about damage cait provides some utility and siege with her range.

kaironenApr 4, 20181 votes

I don't remember, but I think draven was hitting our nexus for most of that point. Maybe he auto me once so the phantom dancer kicked in.

ValiantKillerApr 4, 20183 votes

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Only 3 people I think I see build it are draven, kaisa, and riven. I might of forgotten a few who build it (I think kayne builds it sometimes but not sure) but that item is dumb when it is paired with phantom dancer or some other hp items. I was facing a draven few days ago and he took like no damage when I was aaing him as Caitlyn (we were full build). He had phantom dancer, ga, tabi, and deathdance. It might be the amount of defense like items he had but it was still pretty dumb.

Fiora Illaoi Urgot MonkeyKing Aatrox Kaisa Draven Riven Renekton Pantheon Quinn Graves And i think there more champions which can use it

kaironenApr 4, 20181 votes

Thx for the list. Tbh I don't really look at builds that often except for when I look on how much lifesteal they have or if they have any armor/mr and if they go lethality. I also look for what items my lane opponent has but since I'm adc, what the top laner builds, or any role but in the bot lane, doesn't really matter much until mid-late game.

ValiantKillerApr 4, 20181 votes

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Thx for the list. Tbh I don't really look at builds that often except for when I look on how much lifesteal they have or if they have any armor/mr and if they go lethality. I also look for what items my lane opponent has but since I'm adc, what the top laner builds, or any role but in the bot lane, doesn't really matter much until mid-late game.

Well i'm top and jg main, most of this champions are caster champions meaning they get the benefit of this 15% physical damage healing ,for example Illaoi tentacles hit physical damage that doesn't count as AA which mean she need another way to heal from them which item 3812 provide, same goes for MonkeyKing spin and such on.

In fact any champion that do another source of damage that doesn't count as AA and consider as ability or casting skill can use item 3812 very well, Yasuo could use it so he can heal form his ultimate damage, tornado and steal poke damage.

Sun Wu RyuumokuApr 4, 20181 votes

MonkeyKing can... but nobody build it.

ValiantKillerApr 4, 20181 votes

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can... but nobody build it.

But but i do build it on him as 4th item lol, i'm wukong main xD

Sun Wu RyuumokuApr 5, 20181 votes

you're weird bro... thats it MonkeyKing

more seriously, its viable (mainly with the nerf of draktharr) but usualy their better option/needing for your 4th item.

ValiantKillerApr 5, 20181 votes

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you're weird bro... thats it

more seriously, its viable (mainly with the nerf of draktharr) but usualy their better option/needing for your 4th item.

Not really if you thought about it special in late game (Post lvl16), where you have to choose between it and jg item which give 10%CDR and 60AD it a better option to go item 3812 which provide more AD, same amount of CDR + the sweet healing thing that is much much for sustain special if you going full assassin wukong + cleaver.

GG Thanks For LPApr 5, 20181 votes

I build it sometimes on jayce just for the big life steal it has on my Q+E combo

MorganFreemanBotApr 4, 20182 votes

It's meant to be sustain for melee champions who deal their damage through abilities rather than autos; so bruisers / AD casters.

Unfortunately, as with many things, ADC's heavily abused it and forced it to be changed. It still has a niche audience (Urgot, Illaoi, sometimes Darius, Riven, Panth / Renekton / Graves).

ValiantKillerApr 4, 20181 votes

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It's meant to be sustain for melee champions who deal their damage through abilities rather than autos; so bruisers / AD casters.

Unfortunately, as with many things, ADC's heavily abused it and forced it to be changed. It still has a niche audience (Urgot, Illaoi, sometimes Darius, Riven, Panth / Renekton / Graves).

Myself i like to build it on all divers that cast like wukong and assassins, it provide alot of good sustain to be honest.

IręlíaApr 4, 20181 votes

I think its fine. Its makes you a Brewmaster from WoW....

If anyone understands the reference of delaying damage.

Hawthorn TreeApr 4, 20182 votes

Thing is Monk tank is an actual tank. They get Stagger because they are actually not supposed to die quickly.

Shuriman CuratorApr 4, 20181 votes

You forgot Darius , he's a very good user of it.

FrostQueensPlaneApr 4, 20181 votes

I don't think there's anything more disgusting in this game then deaths dance + kaisa. It was already plenty disgusting on things like Riven, but this really takes the cake for Riot. I don't think even yasuo feels worse to play against then this if you don't have targeted range abilities.

Meddler specifically said he wanted more montage moments in the game with something like deaths dance (more edging death scenarios while you 1vs5), so from the very beginning the item was lazy and forced, and he went about it the wrong way. The item gives an insane amount of defensive power, and it is straight up broken with the shield power creep in the game that Riot refuses to address. What the item should do is make you take more damage then you normally would have, just over time. Then it would make sense, instead it's just this life steal item that just so happens to completely shut down burst champions.