I think Vayne should be redesigned, not nerfed

thescrubbybub·10/3/2015, 5:48:15 AM·28 votes·1,337 views

I feel like they mashed two competing concepts into one champion, and it doesn't make for fun gameplay. I personally have loathed Vayne since Season 3, and am hoping that maybe this time they'll fix her long term problems. Anyways, it seems like she has two different aspects, and they don't seem to go together well. Her first champion identity is a hard to catch assassin ADC. Her tumble, condemn, and ult all play heavily into this identity, and it seems like a fascinating and fun base. Tumbling around and being slippery is a good base. What is not ok is to strap a massive tankbusting steroid onto that. Vayne has the potential to be an interesting assassin, but is held back by the stupidity of her silver bolts. She has the tools to select a target and kill it, then disengage. I really would like to hear a Rito employees viewpoint on her current state.

10 Comments

Captain Aishi10/3/2015, 8:51:07 AM6 votes

vayne's problem currently is that she has a conflicting dual-identity of burst/dps (assassin/marksman)

she excels at dealing sustained damage to take down tanky opponents, but she also excels at bursting squishies down (R+Qcrit can almost oneshot an enemy AD late game)

she also has no real exploitable weakness in her kit as tumble and condemn make her ridiculously safe against 90% of melee champions while night hunter+final hour allow her to close the gap on long range opponents to run them down mercilessly (seriously 2000 range on her MS steroid might be a little too long)

add to that the fact that outside condem (a targeted knockback) everything in her kit is steroids loaded into her autoattacks and you're left with a champion that has no meaningful counterplay either.

This is why even when vayne is statistically weak she is still infuriating to play against

SlaktarTasken10/4/2015, 2:39:21 AM3 votes

Riot: She's our posterchild and that's our viewcase, now stfu.

Rendarkan10/4/2015, 9:06:09 PM3 votes

She needs to get smashed with a nerfbat. More or less she needs nerf bolts instead of silver ones.

alfavhunter10/4/2015, 9:52:24 PM3 votes

Remove base damage on silver bolts only make it %hp true damage

R no longer increases her passive at all

GawnMower10/4/2015, 7:20:03 AM2 votes

the other problem is that she can tumble out my j4 ult and still condemn me into it.

thescrubbybub10/3/2015, 5:52:52 AM1 votes

I really hope they are.

Sìel10/3/2015, 5:49:20 AM1 votes

They might be considering her as one of the marksmen who are altered in the marksman update for next season.