Jinx doesn't need nerfs. Her counters need buffs.

Chief Mayonnaise··21 votes·1,605 views

Jinx has hardly received any changes this season, but her counters like corki and lucian have both been nerfed. Her meta presence right now is only due to her early game counters being nerfed to the point where she can consistently get past the laning phase into her strong mid game. The reason she became so prominent this patch was because pretty much every other top ADC got nerfed within the last 2 or 3 patches.

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AdderTude13 votes

I thought people had been picking Jinx to prep for Star Guardians...

Even so, Lucian's nerfs were well-deserved because he was too powerful at the time. It was why he was getting picked almost every damn game I've played up to that point.

Chief Mayonnaise6 votes

I feel like Lucian was so dominant and even now still has a high pickrate because he's simply a safe pick. There aren't really a lot of situations that Lucian doesn't work well in.

Edit: I think they need to change his power curve so he is noticeably weaker in the late game, especially if people are building him with the arm pen build. I feel like that would warrant some early game buffs.

EndlessSorcerer3 votes

Riot buffed Jinx a couple patches ago so that she would appear in Worlds.

Then Star Guardian Jinx was announced the patch after.

Xidphel3 votes

Ok. I see the name Lucian and am imagining him as a star guardian.

Chief Mayonnaise1 votes

I keep seeing Draven and Star guardian. Somehow, I keep remembering this picture http://pm1.narvii.com/5967/cdc4795334f185839b1bdd5e633746d929b843e3_hq.jpg

Xidphel1 votes

Star Guardian Draven plz!

Buff Jax please9 votes

Nah she is freelo.

47892 votes

ur actually stupid, she isn't freelo LOL the pronlem is, unless ur high elo, most ppl cant punish her lack of mobility or close up fighting (shes my safety ad, I love her ever since I started playing, not just a meta slave) iw as hype for the star guardian skin but I'm afraid she'll become another corki ;-;

Buff Jax please1 votes

I am in the top 3% of my server. Thats kinda high elo imo.

Jayrett1 votes

wasn't Gold/Plat the top 1%? and high elo is diamond+ man.

Buff Jax please1 votes

Gold is actually top 35% almost while Plat is top 10%. Platinum II where I am is top 3%.

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution

Slythion1 votes

you're level 8...might want to be posting this stuff on your main account so you have some credibility

Buff Jax please1 votes
Slythion3 votes

I said the exact same thing (only it was right at the start of the uproar about the new "op jinx" on the boards) and got downvoted to hell...

it's amazing what some time can do to get people thinking clearly

47891 votes

Yeah, her damage is acceptable it's mostly how low risk she is, upping mana like Ashe could honestly just shred her. My suggestion? Make rockets scale better with level but cause a tiny extra mana at all tanks, it keeps her from just rocketing runnansing everyone

ProfDrDeath3 votes

Who are her counters, though?

The only champion to currently (6.19) perform better than average against her at plat+ is Miss Fortune.

And noone in their right mind should want buffs to Lucian or Ezreal - these are already the two most picked ADCs.

Chief Mayonnaise1 votes

Really anybody who can force engages on her. Draven is a good counter, although I don't think he needs buffs, the problem is nobody plays him. Corki used to work very well before they nerfed him.

I really think they need to shift Lucians power curve so he drops off harder than he currently does. Even if they had to give him something else in exchange. He's evil, but necessary.

I feel like Kalista used to work pretty well due to her stickiness, but Kalista is in a very bad place as well

I think people seem to forget that Graves was a lane bully before his rework. Jinx pretty much lost a counter when he got reworked and could no longer function as a bot lane ADC.

Aptest3 votes

Ashe I counter her. With my Arrow. To her knee. Trundle I counter her. Shove it up her short shorts. Leona I counter her. With my overbearing hotness. Also I press R.

Athenes Lulu2 votes

Huh, Lucian has been fine if anything. Draaaven is also in a good spot.

Though I'm not sure if we really want to buff Ezreal....

47891 votes

ezreals in a good spot, not too strong, not too weak, draven and vayne are always good, it comes down to the player, Lucian being fine THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING (I'm one of those people htat find the op before it becomes meta, then I can never play them feelsbadman) but the point is, ppl STILL bitch about Lucian, like honestly, its not that bad, also, upvoted you cuz some dumbass downvoted you for saying Lucian is fine, I got ur back bb <3 [slayer-jinx-wink]

Besthunterjk1 votes

Agreed, buff Draven

Edit: should still nerf Jinx

Chief Mayonnaise1 votes

Not sure if they'd be enough, but they are increasing the mana cost of her e and reducing the damage it does as well. Think some w mana nerfs wouldn't hurt as well.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Aren't the pros calling her trash despite the 54% winrate?

Hyperiön1 votes

Because She has very lack luster escape.

Even though she has her chompers, and MASSIVE movement speed buff on assist/kill.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

I don't really agree with them, but chompers aren't that good and you don't get that MS unless you kill shit...

It's not very reliable, it's meh at best if you want to be hyperbolic.

47891 votes

nonononono, pros aren't calling her trash because of that theyre calling her trash because of how PUNISHING it is up there. down here in gold to bronze, no one knows how to punish for bad positioning, which is jinxs biggest weakness, lack of mobility (don't say her passive is mobility, I used to main her and it triggers me so hard, its F**kin move speed, that's not mobility or sivir would be one of the most mobile adcs by that logic SALT) but yeah, with the triple crit build being so strong, like the main point of this thread, its not so much that jinx is strong, its that literally EVERY other adc has been nerfed, I just hope they don't give jinx the corki treatment and gut her tho, she's one of my favorite adcs, hopefully itll be like Lucian, still viable, not as strong and a utility nerf, like how they nerfed lucians q and w range [slayer-jinx-catface]

GULAG 4 U1 votes

I still have aids from lucian 1v1ing me as a duelist (Kha'zix, Master Yi, Mordekaiser, Jax, Fiora)

And Yeah, they should stop nerfing people because of a bronze-silver outcry.

47891 votes

Lucian is meant to outplay ppl in 1v1s and skirmishes... -_- However the bronze silver outcry thank you babe <3

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Well really no ADC should ever be able to 1v1 an assassin, that's the point of the assassin. But yeah rarely you get decent complaint posts about anything

47891 votes

no adcVayne should ever Lucian be able Draven to one v one an assassin

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Draven doesn't 1v1.... he oneshots .-.

fuck you vayne, you're cancer.

Lucian you're a half cancer. Still better thhan your sister vayne.

47891 votes

Draven takes 2-3, doesn't have huge range, needs items to do so

vayne isn't cancer, its called, pinks and red trinkets till the stealth update

Lucian... yeah, getting outplayed by him sucks not gunna lie XD

GULAG 4 U1 votes

I meant annoying, not broken. Not OP

47891 votes

Gotchu

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

Yes, if you play in the LCS against a 5 man team of pro's she isn't your best pick.

Ben Sharpio1 votes

Here's what we do: Buff all late game ADC's so that tanks get melted even faster than they already do but we make ADC's happier

GULAG 4 U2 votes

Name checks out.

Tank main QQing about being melted in 2 seconds. Yeah, have a word with hatedaddy, will you?

Rivuo1 votes

Her counters? How about i dont like taking 430 Ferver and 3,000 Basic Attack in 3 seconds as a tank?

Jinx is completely overbearing atm.

DunkinNoobs1 votes

I remember people making this same argument during early season 5 when Jinx had a 35% pickrate and 55% winrate. You wanna know who the second most popular adc at the time was? Graves, who before his rework, was considered the number 1 counter to Jinx in bot lane. You wanna know how often Jinx won that awful matchup? 52% of the time. She may not be as strong now as she was then, but the concept is the same. Her only "bad" matchup is MF, and even champs that you would expect to do well against Jinx like Jhin and Draven still do badly against her. She's OP. She has meaningful, exploitable weaknesses, but she's still OP. And honestly, I'm ok with that. Some adc has to be OP and I'd rather it be Jinx than most other adcs. Remember when Vayne was the best adc for a few months last season?

Frius1 votes

needs nerf ,tihs b1tch does 500 dmg rocket in screen and 1500 global late game aoe fuck that deserves nerfs ,cause was buffed for no reason

47891 votes

she was buffed because she was trash before that unless u were good at her like me but the problem was, everyone else got nerfed, thereby making those buffs to her more impactful

Sasogwa1 votes

Meh. I wouldn't really be for anything that buffs the adc's, a class that is already dominant for so many years. So I'd rather have nerfs on one champ of this class above buffs on his lane opponents.

paisy1 votes

Did I hear Zed buff? Zed

jaguarondi1 votes

I think she can be considered OP when you play against a jinx, lose a 2v2 at 5 mins, then she immediately takes your turret. Raw damage seems way too high for her to be able to stick to people so easily. Also, her ult hitbox might be misshapen. Got hit by one that made it seem like it was mapped out like a Lucian w.

Bottom Laner1 votes

A Sivir buff would be ok, but I'm not too familiar with her winrate as of now to back my opinion up.

Requiemsfire1 votes

Somewhere around pre-season her rocket AOE damage went up, a few patches ago they raised the execution damage of her ult...

Kuzja11 votes

Corki 's getting buffed this patch. Possibly next patches too (Which I fear will make him OP enough to be forced to nerf him and make him useless again)

The Deckowner1 votes

Or maybe it's just adc's dmg curve has closely matched woth those of assassins, making it hard for most assassins to shut down certain adc before getting outscaled.

invisiblecat11 votes

Sigh, people still do not realize that let's say Jinx is countered by X, Y and Z. If X Y AND Z are buffed, then champions A B C D E F G H and I become weaker since they can no longer counter the champion they counter well. This makes 3 champions stronger, and an amazing 10 champions weaker. This is VERY poor balancing. In order to just balance ONE champion, you changed AT LEAST 12 others. And then since those 10 champions that are now weak will get their counters buffed will make X Y Z weak, which will make Jinx strong again, and the 30 counters to A B C D E F G H and jinx will be weak, and it will be an endless cycle of Jinx and a handful of other champions becoming weak and strong, which ultimately leads to damage creep, so then even tanks will be doing 1k damage per hit. TL;DR BADDDDD

AdderTude1 votes

Okay, with people suggesting Star Guardian skins for men, do any of you realize that Star Guardians are supposed to be League's "magical girl" team? Along the lines of Sailor Moon, Pretty Cure, and others? [zombie-brand-facepalm]

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