So the new champ is...easy mode Varus?

MrSc0tty·Nov 5, 2014·33 votes·3,486 views

Instead of timing blight stack detonation by landing skillshots, there's no stack limit and you just get a "detonate" button. Plus, free on hit %HP chunks just cause.

Instead of learning to attack move properly on a low mobility carry, you get a free dash after every auto. #kitedsuchskillcapoutplayed.

Instead of landing a skillshot for your hard cc...you literally just make your support land it for you.

I've been playing her on PBE before you hate. It's actually hilarious as a Varus player. It's literally like I opened up the pause menu and changed the difficulty from normal to easy.

78 Comments

WooBeeWooNov 6, 20149 votes

Well Riot has decided that range auto attackers are the most important and impressive parts of the game so it makes sense. Rather than acutally learning how to be good at the game the hardest carrying champs require right clicking the best. I think ADCs being the main carries is the most toxic part of this game.

Creamy SeamanNov 6, 20141 votes

A full bruiser team will mash any team with an ADC.

SkiasNov 6, 20146 votes

Vayne disagrees.

JamnonNov 7, 20141 votes

A full bruiser team cant handle poke, cc.

Creamy SeamanNov 7, 20141 votes

Wukong and lee sin rush into back lines and annihilate the squishies. Shyvana and udyr are taking care of the tanks.

JamnonNov 7, 20141 votes

item 3157

Creamy SeamanNov 7, 20141 votes

The mage was kind enough to use zhonyas so they all get their cooldowns back? How nice.

JamnonNov 9, 20141 votes

While they sit like idiots waiting under tower, the ulting morgana gets a double kill and wins the fight. /thread

Creamy SeamanNov 10, 20141 votes

Morgana was banned that game. Impossible.

JamnonNov 10, 20141 votes

Still don't know why you tower dove like that.

I'd still be in denial too, really.

Creamy SeamanNov 11, 20141 votes

Oh do towers actually do something now?

JamnonNov 13, 20141 votes

They contribute more than you did after you went afk.

Creamy SeamanNov 13, 20141 votes

Plot twist: I SAT IN ANOTHER LANE FARMING THAT IS WHY THEY THOUGHT I WAS AFK.

JamnonNov 13, 20141 votes

After rezzing, while they took down the Nexus. No wonder we lost. :-(

Sire HippingtonNov 7, 20142 votes

and then Janna presses R....

Creamy SeamanNov 8, 20141 votes

It appears janna was knocked up so she got insta deleted.

HayaishiNov 5, 20148 votes

That is how every adc release has been lately.

Look at Jinx and Kalista.

As a long time Varus main i wont even touch him next season due to Riot neglecting the problems he has and overall refusal to make him better.

Its ok though gotta keep releasing patches with more Lucian changes

SkiasNov 5, 20145 votes

Overloaded kits with tons of utility and they also get to keep the tons of mobility. I remember Varus and Ashe had to trade their mobility to keep their utility. Not to mention, chompers roots just about as long as Varus ult anyways, while Jinx gets a flying Garen ult.

MrSc0ttyNov 5, 20149 votes

Overloaded kits with tons of utility and they also get to keep the tons of mobility. I remember Varus and Ashe had to trade their mobility to keep their utility. Not to mention, chompers roots just about as long as Varus ult anyways, while Jinx gets a flying Garen ult.

Flying AOE global Garen ult with less than half the cooldown and scaling you mean?

SkiasNov 6, 20142 votes

That you still cant survive.

JamnonNov 7, 20141 votes

I laughed bc its true.

Raja ChachkiNov 7, 20141 votes

But I also laughed, because it is a skill shot, but also because it almost always gets me :(

DUDE BRONov 6, 20141 votes

The new champ is much WEAKER than Varus in many ways! As someone who's played her a lot, here's why:

Her 'blight' stacks are quite weak. 85 (+85) at max rank with lots of AD. Each stack after the first only adds 30% damage, so you actually need a LOT of hits to get decent damage out of it. And it does nothing to tanks. Twitch's expunge is actually waaaaaay stronger, and Blight is much better vs high hp enemies as well.

Her auto attacks are very slow (like anivia/karthus auto attack) and they root you in place before the dash. Stopping for an auto attack makes you an easy target for skillshots. It seems cool but is actually very dangerous.

Her ult does 0 damage. It's literally a small knockup/dash and nothing else. Sure you can throw your leona into their team. But their leona will just do the same on her own, and then varus will also lock you both down with an extra 300 damage.

The OP Just likes to complain, but in reality her damage is lower than you think, and the root+dash against non-bronze players can actually be a very bad thing.

Just like Gnar, I can guarentee you'll never see her in the pro scene due to how her auto attacks root herself. It's unreliable.

JevelFaithfulNov 6, 20142 votes

Interesting. But I strongly disagree on the "never see in the pro scene" part. Just form the way her kit is made. I can<t see how we wouldn't see her. But, the AA speed makes a lot less strong in lane, which isinteresting.

JamnonNov 7, 20141 votes

The pro ADCs last hit minions only, so I dont see why her passive would be a problem for them at all.

JevelFaithfulNov 8, 20141 votes

Well if the AA is as slow as I heard in term of animation (which is probably false), it means that she will be an easier target to punish for last hitting. Pros also shove a lot when they need it. In shove situation I could see her being slower and potentially reacting slower to an engage. Then there's the question of how well does her passive allow her to chase a fleeing target/kite.

The "a lot" was probably too much. I still very much expect her to be seen in tournament. The real question is "how often" and "to what degree of effectivevness"

JamnonNov 7, 20141 votes

This guy

That is how every adc release has been lately.

Look at Jinx and Kalista.

As a long time Varus main i wont even touch him next season due to Riot neglecting the problems he has and overall refusal to make him better.

Its ok though gotta keep releasing patches with more Lucian changes

gets it.

AtheosisXNov 7, 20143 votes

That is how every adc release has been lately.

Look at Jinx and Kalista.

As a long time Varus main i wont even touch him next season due to Riot neglecting the problems he has and overall refusal to make him better.

Its ok though gotta keep releasing patches with more Lucian changes

Honestly I'm starting to think Varus is the power level all ADCs should be. I'm really tired of all the ADCs that have utility, mobility, and shit tons of damage.

HayaishiNov 7, 20142 votes

That is how every adc release has been lately.

Look at Jinx and Kalista.

As a long time Varus main i wont even touch him next season due to Riot neglecting the problems he has and overall refusal to make him better.

Its ok though gotta keep releasing patches with more Lucian changes

Honestly I'm starting to think Varus is the power level all ADCs should be. I'm really tired of all the ADCs that have utility, mobility, and shit tons of damage.

Probably.

But Riot doesn't look at it that way sadly, neither they look to buff him so it's better to move on.

JunkοNov 6, 20144 votes

Her W deals 12% max hp damage AT LEVEL 1 with 8 sec cd per target.

Totally balanced

CaeziumNov 6, 20146 votes

I have a feeling that she will be less of a soloq champion and more of a duoq/tournament champion. She has extremely high potential. Like an absolutely retarded amount.

Also screw her passive. Playing anything melee that can't instantly close the gap is pretty much a death-wish vs. her.

Sire HippingtonNov 6, 20142 votes

...that can'T instandly close the gap AND instandly blow her up or stunlock her...

fixed it

Sire HippingtonNov 6, 20144 votes

I played her aswell, and i dreally didn'T see her as varus. Varus for me is more defined by his poke potential, and he outpokes kalistra by far. His blightstacks also deal by far more damage than her E.

However, i felt like ashe is in truble now. Superior kiteing without actuall movement skill? check A longranged vision skill? check Teamfight initiation? check The only thing ashe does a bit better is pokeing

Overall i think the main problem is her passive. It'S waaaaay to powerfull on an adc. It would be a awsome mechanic for a nimble melee champ, like a Fiora rework. It's a fun mechanic that fits to agile champions, and on a melee it would probably be balanced.

MrSc0ttyNov 6, 20147 votes

I played her aswell, and i dreally didn'T see her as varus. Varus for me is more defined by his poke potential, and he outpokes kalistra by far. His blightstacks also deal by far more damage than her E.

However, i felt like ashe is in truble now. Superior kiteing without actuall movement skill? check A longranged vision skill? check Teamfight initiation? check The only thing ashe does a bit better is pokeing

Overall i think the main problem is her passive. It'S waaaaay to powerfull on an adc. It would be a awsome mechanic for a nimble melee champ, like a Fiora rework. It's a fun mechanic that fits to agile champions, and on a melee it would probably be balanced.

You MADMAN. you HEATHEN! Give a mechanic that allows for spam able instant dashes on a...a...MELEE WORM DIRT CHAMPION?

Think of the poor, helpless, defenseless, innocent AD Carries you monster! GO BACK TO THE PIT YOU CRAWLED FORTH FROM, SNAKE TONGUED DECEIVER, THE DARK FIRES WILL NOT AVAIL YOU.

League of Ranged Champions will remain pure! It will remain sacred! Ranged autoattacks interspersed with point and click utility and damage is and will always be the purest expression of skill.

Begone.

WooBeeWooNov 6, 20142 votes

LOL YES! I just started a thread basically saying what you are here. League of Ranged Champions and right clicking too strong. I've decided the most destructive force in league is Riots INSISTANCE that ranged ADCs be the most powerful champs on the map.

Cute Vegan BoyNov 6, 20142 votes

Well, her passive jump is actually harder to use than just right clicking on the ground and jumping. You have to time it with the auto attack animation and it also slows your attacks.

Zenthon PrimeNov 6, 20144 votes

Well, her passive jump is actually harder to use than just right clicking on the ground and jumping. You have to time it with the auto attack animation and it also slows your attacks.

That doesn't fix the fact that she gets a free Vayne roll every autoattack, nor does it fix literally every other part of her kip except her ult is EZmode Varus. And her ult, mind you, is a Kayle ult on your support in addition to a massive aoe knockup.

MrSc0ttyNov 6, 20147 votes

Well, her passive jump is actually harder to use than just right clicking on the ground and jumping. You have to time it with the auto attack animation and it also slows your attacks.

That doesn't fix the fact that she gets a free Vayne roll every autoattack, nor does it fix literally every other part of her kip except her ult is EZmode Varus. And her ult, mind you, is a Kayle ult on your support in addition to a massive aoe knockback.

Strictly speaking it's a thresh lamp into two Zhonyas hourglasses into a Malphite ult.

So it's pretty balanced for certainlyT.

JunkοNov 6, 20146 votes

I don't like people who hate on CertainlyT, i like his champion designs.

But this is just.... so op

Earl EulrichNov 6, 20144 votes

well, his designes are pretty great...but he just knows no restrain it seems, he really tends to overload the kits and leavs almost no weaknesses.

JunkοNov 6, 20142 votes

The only champ he released with no weaknesses was Zyra, and she got HUGE nerfs that sent her to unplayable tier.

Darius can be kited, Zed is countered by a lot of items and skills, Yasuo can easily be poked in lane once his Wind Wall is down (though Yasuo does have an overloaded ult, they should just fix it so you can only ult to knockups so he doesn't get number nerfs every patch >_>). To counter Thresh just poke him when he goes to collect souls and try to be aware where he is in lane at all times.

TiaxNov 7, 20143 votes

She's far from unplayable, I don't even like or play zyra personally but I have witnessed the power of any decent zyra and I RESPECT IT. Once nami and janna get nerfed a bit I think at some point season 5 zyra will be a dominant top 3 support because she has good cc, range, aoe, and most importantly….

dat damage

Really for the amount of gold zyras have her output is crazy, she probably deals the most damage per gold in the game

Sire HippingtonNov 6, 20145 votes

CertainlyT designs great and fun Champions that are usually complex but very rewarding if mastered, but he lacks a feeling for their Power and they most certainly(T) turn out op.

And in case of yasuo, he then gets nerfed all the wrong way(interesting flow->shield mechanic that fits his theme and brings a unique playstyle? let's gut it. Boring doublecrit that grants broken dps+burst? why not keeping it)

JunkοNov 6, 20141 votes

doublecrit is probably gonna be removed when Riot reworks crit chance all together somewhere in preaseason

Earl EulrichNov 6, 20142 votes

mh, I´m still sceptic about that...at least in the Q&A theys didn´t mention much of it, though for me personally it should definitely be one of the top priorities. With some bad luck it ends up like the rune-changes last year.

5G8Nri0B54Nov 6, 20141 votes

On the other hand...

MUCH less range (the same amount as Miss Fortune)

And a huge part of her gameplay relies on having a competent ally, especially that R of hers. Good luck playing her in Solo Queue.

Not to mention, Varus has more than just his W. His Q is a powerful poke ability while his E is a slow/heal reduction.

Fed by Snu SnuNov 6, 20146 votes

Miss fortune has 550 range, that's barely "MUCH less".

Varus has 575.

5G8Nri0B54Nov 6, 20141 votes

Miss fortune has 550 range, that's barely "MUCH less".

Varus has 575.

You don't realize how much of a difference just a little bit of range makes do you?

OrangesilkNov 6, 20145 votes

As a Sivir player Kallista is outright deppressing, have you considered that Kallista's passive is literally Sivirs passive only 500% better?, then again Kallista outranges Sivir by 50 (sivirs range is flat 500) but I guess that's the trade-off for the additional team initiation potential Sivir brings to the table, oh right, Kallista gets to literally fling a tank at the enemy team as a means of initiation.

5G8Nri0B54Nov 7, 20141 votes

Except Sivir's is consistent and RELIABLE, unlike Kallista's who have a menagerie of ways to completely go wrong.

Unless you're in an LCS game with a team with voice-chat, Kallista's R is only going to be remotely effective now and again...and ONLY if her bound champion is close to her, unlike Sivir's who can rely on it to be useful regardless of the situation.

Oh, and nice numbers you shat out there. Kallista's Passive is so definitely "500%" better than a completely different champion's Passive.