About Riven an Animation Cancelling

Mira Arya Enthe··4 votes·777 views

This is unrelated to the dash coding bug that has long effected Riven AND other champions. Riot is Fixing that.

Ah yes. Animation canceling. One of the first things I learned to do in RTS, Moba and fighting games. Wha? It isn't exclusive to Riven? Nope.

The first thing I learned as an ADC was how to blend Attack Move and Move commands in order to cancel the end of AA animations slightly boosting the amount of actions I could take and how fast I could take them. Same playing mages like Malz, Old Xerath and Lux. Learning how spell orders could be made to cast faster through input commands. I even do it with Shyvana's dragon form AA animations since they are so damn long. AA-Move click ahead-AA.

It is a gate to being skilled at any particular champion. Learning how their spells, animations, hit boxes and movements interact. This effects no champion more than Riven. For a long time I thought it was a positive thing, players not good at Riven averaged 42% win rates while those good at her. And picking her into favorable matchups and comps. Could ring in good win rates like 55-63%. Like my 62% prerework win rate on Shyvana.

But now I agree. We should remove Rivens animation cancels... somehow(likely not possible in the engine), her combos. Everything. Just so I can see the community QQ 10x more when Riot inevitably has to compensation buff her for Diamond+ play. The only people animation cancels and combos heavily effect.

Because at the moment. Riven is bad in low tiers, average in average tiers, above average in high tiers. Low tier players QQ about her. When they don't even deal with what makes her strong. So I actually welcome Riot removing this facet of her gameplay. So she can drop to 40- win rate plat+ and get huge buffs to compensate. Since they originally nerfed her stats, scalings and tankiness so she could have animation cancels. They'd have to revert those nerfs.

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dominusx2 votes

if they remove he cancels she will be buffed into hell and back. proper cancels make or break the game for riven in high elo if you remove it she will become sluggish and she will need dmg buffs to compensate for her slower combos. aka she will become another champ even a silver can play. talk about animation canceling beeing hard by the community thye havent played some tekken or generally fighting games having to memorise frames to do massive combos.... it's sad but w/e

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Apparently that is what the community wants. Massive low tier Riven buffs at the expense of her high tier play.

dominusx2 votes

considering 80% of the community is below plat i'm not supriced. the thing about this game is this. If it outplays you it is broken. If it is a braindead pile of shit that you can play by slaping your dong on the keyboard its fine.

Poske1 votes

No its not what community wants

Make a Poll and you ll see

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

You don't seem to grasp the entirely sarcastic tone of this post. The boards are full of people bitching about animation cancelling. This is directed at them.

McFatal2 votes

even if they removed the animation cancels all the low elo malphite 1 tricks who hate getitng outplayed by something that isnt a braindead wall , they would complain that her e is annoying or some shit.

they always have something against riven even when they cant play her for shit.

dominusx2 votes

if a malph player complains about champ design tell him to kermit

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

I even do it with Shyvana's dragon form AA animations since they are so damn long. AA-Move click ahead-AA.

Wha? I can do that?

Here I was buying attack speed and resetting with Q to get around that.

Asayake 5150glow2 votes

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Wha? I can do that?

Here I was buying attack speed and resetting with Q to get around that.

You can do it with anyone and anything... attack speed is still a good stat tho.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Attack speed is the delay between animations and animation speed. Hard resets are still strongest like Hydra titan

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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Attack speed is the delay between animations and animation speed. Hard resets are still strongest like Hydra titan

Hydra's not a reset, it's a cancel. Titanic is a reset, however.

But still, he was saying that he was getting attack speed since he wasn't kiting. While kiting becomes less and less useful (this is literal, as in it cuts off less time. It's still just as necessary and effective) with the more attack speed you get, it's still possible and helpful.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

All champions can animation cancel part of or most of AAs and certain spells animations.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Attack speed is the delay between animations. Hard resets are still strongest like Hydra titan

Poske2 votes

If Riot removes animation canceling on riven. Watch 5% LoL players quit. Including me

You can make same logic for every champion

Garen is utter garbage shit Reportable if you pick it in high elo. So what we should add animation canceling to garen (Dont get me wrong I would accept any massive changes to that melee minion champ?

If Riot should balance the game Around ceratin elo it should be high elo if anything. But Riot is balancing game around everything (Not working out good)

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

All champions can animation cancel AAs and certain spells. It just became a major facet of Riven. Which apparently makes people mad.

Poske1 votes

I never saw riven canceling making anyone mad

I see bronze elos being annoyed after they get stomped by riven smurfs / boosters but thats about it

Its same with yasuo katarina (Specially old One) and Other noob stompers

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

Honestly, Riven is a bit strong with perfect cancels, she kinda needs some small nerfs to keep her Gangplank Yasuo Vayne tier when done perfectly (admittedly she is tougher to pull off than all of those, but she also has more possibilities). There's a reason why there's 4-5 Riven mains in top 20 Challenger (I think).

Champions should be balanced around being played at their full potential (Kindred), and should have a >50% winrate when played at their full potential, unless that's the exact same as playing them at their least potential (Annie ), and then more of a ~55% win rate at low elo (simple champions are rarely played in higher elos).

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

In NA* just correcting. There are almost no high tier Riven one tricks in Kor.

Riven has a 45% win rate in bronze. 55% in challenger.

Poske1 votes

Everything has 45% winrate in bronze and 55% in chall though

Because if you are bronze you are generaly around 45% winrate and its versa with chall...

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Uhm... that isn't how it works. Challenger players face challenger players. It they were all 60% win rate who in challenger is losing the other 40% facepalm

Poske1 votes

If you have 40% winrate you are not chall xd Simple as that

Find me 1 chall with that winrate

ReZisT Lust1 votes

Mordekaiser

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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In NA* just correcting. There are almost no high tier Riven one tricks in Kor.

Riven has a 45% win rate in bronze. 55% in challenger.

Maybe tone it down to 53% in Challenger? Sounds pretty balanced imo.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

ok, but if were keeping rivens animation cancel in the game, give everyone equal treatment and let me animation cancel garens q too.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Animation cancels already work on all AAs and abilities without cast times. It is the very basis of effectively kiting and moving on ADC. I swear there are no real gamers in this community. Gamers figure things out. Canceling aninations and manipulating movements and combos are as old as modern gaming.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Animation cancels already work on all AAs and abilities without cast times. It is the very basis of effectively kiting and moving on ADC. I swear there are no real gamers in this community. Gamers figure things out. Canceling aninations and manipulating movements and combos are as old as modern gaming.

try to cancel it. it doesnt work. i dont see why some champions get special treatment and are allowed to cancel their ability animations to execute their combos faster, while others are prevented from doing the same.

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