Stop fixing matches with your fucking matchmaking!!!!!!

DarwinTheory··1 votes·1,451 views

I'm fucking fed up with it!!!

A monkey fucking jungler Vs a competent one!

A monkey ADC Vs a competent one!

A fucking noob mid Vs a zed they feed 3 times in 3 minutes!

I shouldn't be losing games because my moronic top Jax goes 0/4 Vs Fiora in 3 minutes of game time and my stupid jungler decides to camp top ignoring the fucking Yasuo standing under my tower free farming because the enemy jungler ganked me 3 times and even the enemy thresh come to my lane forcing me to lose any advantage even though I didn't feed but my useless bots doing a great job of that; feeding.

I'm fed up with fucking sort it out you useless assholes!!!!!! I don't mind fucking losing I do mind fucking losing unwinnable games because of your stupid fixed bullshit matchmaking system!!!!!

Fucking sort it out you inhumane assholes!!!!!!

11 Comments

Cotten Eyed Joe2 votes

I doubt this is happening every game you play. You never remember the games where you were the monkey adc, or the monkey mid. Or when your mid was the reason you won, or when the adc pulled off a 1v3. You only remember the games where you lost. League is a team game. Should and shouldn't based off of other players doesn't matter. You deserve the rank you're in and you'll stay in that elo as long as you have this attitude. Riot can't control how a player acts. Stop blaming them for how other players play.

Niggel Wessom2 votes

Just carry

Eedat2 votes

imagine playing 1200 games in one ranked season and still thinking that Riot is intentionally targeting you to keep you down

Kai Guy1 votes

Hey now, Dat why cant you just be nice.

Show some sympathy and don't lie to players. Its not 1200 its 1203 games Get it right and stop spreading slander!

Also if you use the op's total and that's going to be a maximum of 10,827‬ different players for teammates and allies. Why cant you see how riots Rigging the games by consistently controlling those 10K-ish Players and knows exactly how they interact with each other in game to manipulate game results. Have you not heard the boards. MM controls what happens **after **a lobby is made, it uses "stats and data" To accurately predict human behaviors.

Its in no way shape or form the fault of the op, who is the only single consistent variable in his 1203 games.

Learn some basic probability odds here Eedat!

DarwinTheory1 votes

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Hey now, Dat why cant you just be nice.

Show some sympathy and don't lie to players. Its not 1200 its 1203 games Get it right and stop spreading slander!

Also if you use the op's total and that's going to be a maximum of 10,827‬ different players for teammates and allies. Why cant you see how riots Rigging the games by consistently controlling those 10K-ish Players and knows exactly how they interact with each other in game to manipulate game results. Have you not heard the boards. MM controls what happens **after **a lobby is made, it uses "stats and data" To accurately predict human behaviors.

Its in no way shape or form the fault of the op, who is the only single consistent variable in his 1203 games.

Learn some basic probability odds here Eedat!

Congratulations.

You win nothing. No skins. Nowt. Keep it up and meddler might drop you a hello.

Kai Guy1 votes

I don't really need to talk to meddler at this time. Unless he is looking to discuss some QOL changes to Hextec Crafting, then shure send him my way. Far as reds go Id rather get ahold of Sapmagic so I could have a chat about what distribution model is used for the ladders MMR system as that's relevant to my interests. Kingcobra would be fun to play with, as I also play aggressively and hope others will do so. Bazerka is always a welcome visitor to Gameplay but imo has a masochistic streak to even bother trying to engage with gameplay boards.

Now I doubt you have a hot line to reds thou so the only thing I hope to win from my comment is to point out that your putting blame on some 10k RNG players as if the devs have some personal vendetta with you and that you have the ability to use basic reason and logic to realize how unlikely that is. Reality is I don't expect this from you, nothing personal i'm just jaded by the number of idiots who bitch and moan about MMR systems but don't even know what a K variable is. Hell i'm jaded with humanity to an extent about their ability to be rational as I got legit anti vaxxers in my family.... So dealing with folks who reject rationality is not anything new to me. Your call on your beliefs but if you take the time to spend a little bit effort learning about MMR and Elo My beliefs is that you my friend would realize that rigging games breaks the math behind the systems which removes accuracy from ratings…. so they then fail as a reliable metric to use to rig games. Let me know if you want some links to a MMR or Elo publication. I have low expectations you will but hey I can always hope some one is willing to learn and change their views as a reaction to new information.

Expectations I have are you will ignore this reply in 2 ways. Insult me or you don't respond.

5050BS1 votes

Kai Guy

Tell me how Riot thinks this was a good match? https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=5050BS (the one where Im 4/5/1 and enemy has a smurf Vlad)

FYI this was Siv's Promo to win promotion. More evidence that Riot works REALLY hard to make you not Promot.

Kai Guy1 votes

Because MMR values are similar and that's who was around for que. RNG distribution is fair but it does not mean that it makes for fair gameplay.

Looking at the numbers I got to agree its not a very fair match because that Vlad probably is breaking TOS and may be boosting someone's account so please send in a ticket.

That guys in Silver 1 in a month from Bronze MMR but his most played champ stats are 1.79:1 KDA 9.2 / 7.8 / 4.6 52% 222 Played Olaf

Look at the dudes champion history in other years. s6 Bronze s7 bronze s8 bronze. Look at the years of stats for the Champions played in bronze MMR, he struggled in bronze. 0 yas 0 vlad till very recently and in a month is doing a 14 game win streak with new champions he lacks history on.

Report the guy. No shame that you got dicked by a booster or some one who took over some one else account but that's not really something MM can deal with off MMR values assigned to accounts.

Please tell me that you understand why you cant expect riot to be able to control if there is a new human behind a keyboard. An automated system will just follow its programing. This looks far more like a failure to identify boosters then some MM issue.

5050BS1 votes

Im 100% certain that Riot's system forces wins/losses.

Because they try and push Smurfs up the ladder and make people with lower MMR then their rank down the ladder they build matches to fit that goal. Actually picking the winners before champ select (% wise).

You can tell Riot does this by all the one sided games.

Instead of making balanced matches and letting people climb the natural way. Riot makes game to push a player up and another player down based of what Riot thinks they should be.

Lose a game Riot thinks you should have won and your next game will be easier. Win a game Riot thinks you should have lost and your next game will be stacked against you.

Then there is the whole Promos game thing where you will get afker and outright trolls on you team almost every time.

FYI I know Riot system is like this. The game right after that one was a brainless free win for my team. Riot was compensating for the stomp from the smurf who they were boosting up the ladder.

Kai Guy1 votes

Lets start with a Yes or no. You have 100 people in a room. You don't know anything about them. Is there an Average Hight? Is there an Average Age? Is there an Average level of Talent for making Grilled cheese sandwiches?

You don't know the exact values, but the steps to find out what the average is and where people line up in comparison? You think that can be done by collecting relevant data or not?

Im 100% certain that Riot's system forces wins/losses.

I am aware of your beliefs. Just wish you would take the time to look up Elo and study how the systems work. MMR is a derivative of Elo so learning about Elo to start is a good place. By Rigging the results it creates an unnatural average level of skill. An unnatural average cant be used to have functional Elo.

If you think its a Different system then Elo that's fine, but if you try to design a forced system over a natural one its excessively more difficult then a Elo system. There's no gains for doing this. At all.

Can you provide a Why for what Riot would want to use a rigged system and what it would use to so rapidly gauge skill to a point its able to rig games?

Because they try and push Smurfs up the ladder and make people with lower MMR then their rank down the ladder they build matches to fit that goal.

This is already done by slanting LP gains to match MMR ranges. 0 extra effort is required. High K values are what is used to move high uncertainty accounts. Low uncertainty accounts properly placed are expected to hover in that range till the end of time as long as they reflect majority of players around them.

Instead of making balanced matches Your using the result of a match, something that happens after MM is finished with its job. Every decision from the lobby to the final screen is a massive # of variables outside of system control. Again... A system that puts players in a box is a bad system to use.

That Vlad you complained about has been Bronze for years, the moment he abruptly started demolishing with champions he never played? Climbing the ladder rapidly. Why is the system ok with him climbing when prior to a month ago he has only ever been bronze, for years over several hundred games?

You have previously claimed being at X rank to long or To many games "Locks" you there and the system then try's to Force you to stay where it locked you . "push a player up and another player down based of what Riot thinks they should be" . I gave ya a 1k # games player who made it to Gold, The Vlads got 100's of floating games from Olaf. You can see my Bronze Season 1 Icon. 3 accounts that climbed which should not happen if this Forced system existed they way your describing it.

Actually picking the winners before champ select (% wise). But WR is a weak metric for skill with out context. Attempting to balance WR does the exact opposite of what you want and impacts games negatively. If it try's to always balance 2 teams to 50% this is fucking good players over with bad teammates. your wr 70% = 30% wr teammate. The better your doing the heaver teammates become. That's Literally Rigged matchmaking.

If it just try's to balance WR, like team A has 57% then team B gets a 57% Nothing wrong with that but that's not rigged, its just a unrealistic expectation that MM could build a game flawlessly like this at any given minute for any given que.

(# of games is something that is important in a specific WR. 0% and 100% out of 1 game is not a strong value for skill. The exact (# of wins or losses cant be determined just by seeing a WR you need the # of games used for that rate, and Elo systems add the extra layer of context from who your playing. Like if the Elo gap in a 1v1 game is so high that you expect some one to never lose, they don't gain for beating the players you expect they will always crush. That's the We variable's impact on adjustments.

Lose a game Riot thinks you should have won and your next game will be easier. Win a game Riot thinks you should have lost and your next game will be stacked against you.

In a functional MMR system, if you lose a few games at your skill your expected to have easier games. If you win several off luck your expected to sink. If your skill represents the majority in your range then the more you slide out of that range the more your skill becomes a minority. It does not need to force anything because this will occur naturally even with RNG distribution.

So why the hell do they need to try to force something that would simply happen in a natural way?

FYI I know Riot system is like this. The game right after that one was a brainless free win for my team. Riot was compensating for the stomp from the smurf who they were boosting up the ladder.

Some one who takes over another players account is not a smurf. Its a TOS violation. Your free win you coasted, what impact did you personally have? Then The game after that game your 0-7-1, pretty low impact. What exactly about this shows its more the systems fault then your own playing?

You want to try and use subjective experiences? ok... Fine. Add me and we can play some games to take a look. If your constantly playing well that should be visible. If your above your rank in skill, above the average. I think that would show up better in your numbers on Op,GG. But you expressed a belief that your stats are due to teammates. Fine. Here is how we can check this, you can provide replays or your welcome to play with me because it would show up in your gameplay that your better then this "unfair" box Rito wants to keep you in. You said that your next game was a free win? Can you provide the replay for that game and the next one?

You can also just learn the concepts behind Elo's system and If you need any links to that let me know.

The forced 50%. The attitude behind it. Its just a new Elo hell excuse, and the more players that buy into it then use it to give up games results in the game being less fun. I hate having teammates roll over, I don't mind FF on a lost game. But when games get to the point they are unwinnable because some one is being a baby that they died 2 times in lane and throw the game it sucks fun out of the game for me. Regardless of teammate or enemy that behavior just makes a game less fun.

5050BS1 votes

Just had a game where Riot said "You ARE going to lose this game" before champ select.

Enemy teams mid was a Diamond+ Smurf Vlad/Yasuo (its all the account plays) with a KDA of 15 in S3. Riot put hi vs a B1 Yasuo who has a KDA of 1.7

Their was ZERO ways my team won. So Riot should have just gave the Victory at champ select and not wasted our time.

This is why there are soo many trolls now. Riot cant make good matches so just force them to ban you so you can move on and stop playing. OR get back at them and ruin the game more with troll account after troll account.

This is 100% Riots making

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