AD casters shouldn't fall off late game that hard.

MunchCrunchLunch·Feb 1, 2016·2 votes·479 views

outside assassins. which do fall off late game. zed and talon. both do. however not as hard as non-assassin ad casters. i understand why. because you can't burst someone in a full rotation if they are not full squeesh. and not benefit from crit or attack speed. I feel like they need better itemization. ofcourse something other classes can't abuse. by ad caster i mean the likes of renekton. pantheon ( oh pantheon is like the worst champion in the game late game). I understand that AD casters usually have above average early game. but they still need a better mid-late game imo.

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PrometheSFeb 1, 20161 votes

That's why I think the Corki nerfs to Q on PBE are WAY too harsh, especially with how much the meta favors him. Nerf his early Q but not max rank/scaling.

MunchCrunchLunchFeb 1, 20161 votes

imo there is really no actual itemization for ad casters. you either go with a troll fun build. buy a hybrid of juggernaut and assassin items. or buy just full ad assassin items. there is nothing specifically intended for ad casters that don't benefit from attack speed and crit but helps them with their abilities rather than auto attacks.

for example. ap casters have rabadons. 35% increase. ad casters don't have such an item to scale into late game. and there are ap champs that have both the early game and the late game so i dont understand why can't it be the same for ad casters.

AlwaysByMySideFeb 1, 20161 votes

Pantheon can get buffs to his scaling when he's no longer one of the most oppressive laners in the game.

MunchCrunchLunchFeb 1, 20161 votes

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Pantheon can get buffs to his scaling when he's no longer one of the most oppressive laners in the game.

i know i hate pantheon too. but am just saying. no champion should be useless mid-late game. which some ad casters are. pantheon. is usuless starting mid game. it doesn't matter if hes fed. how many tiems I've seen a 13/2. 20 kills something pantheon that can't 1v1 anyone mid-late game.

its not specifically buffs. its better itemization for the kind of playstyle these champs have. basically . abilities that scale off ad. as they don't really benefit from auto attacking.

trinity force is an ad caster item now. but its really first. too expensive. and the 200% base AD bonus spellblade damage every 1.5 seconds is not enough. they need to give us something that scale with your bonus ad. an item that gives ad assassins some damage potential late game.

AlwaysByMySideFeb 1, 20161 votes

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i know i hate pantheon too. but am just saying. no champion should be useless mid-late game. which some ad casters are. pantheon. is usuless starting mid game. it doesn't matter if hes fed. how many tiems I've seen a 13/2. 20 kills something pantheon that can't 1v1 anyone mid-late game.

its not specifically buffs. its better itemization for the kind of playstyle these champs have. basically . abilities that scale off ad. as they don't really benefit from auto attacking.

trinity force is an ad caster item now. but its really first. too expensive. and the 200% base AD bonus spellblade damage every 1.5 seconds is not enough. they need to give us something that scale with your bonus ad. an item that gives ad assassins some damage potential late game.

I don't hate Pantheon at all, but he is factually one of, if not THE most oppressive top laners in the entire game. The reason so many people hate champions like Gnar or top lane Vayne is because they manage to actually scale well into late game.

Pantheon is super binary, sure, and I'd be okay if they gave him more power late game... as long as they nerf his early game. Like what they did with Darius, whose laning took some significant hits, but he was given far better scaling.

Also, I frankly think you're exaggerating. Late game Pantheon can still vaporize most ADCs.

MunchCrunchLunchFeb 2, 20161 votes

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I don't hate Pantheon at all, but he is factually one of, if not THE most oppressive top laners in the entire game. The reason so many people hate champions like Gnar or top lane Vayne is because they manage to actually scale well into late game.

Pantheon is super binary, sure, and I'd be okay if they gave him more power late game... as long as they nerf his early game. Like what they did with Darius, whose laning took some significant hits, but he was given far better scaling.

Also, I frankly think you're exaggerating. Late game Pantheon can still vaporize most ADCs.

i think late game pantheon would get vaporized by any top laner before he even gets close to an adc if he builds glass cannon, if not then he simply wouldn't have enough damage and an adc can 1v1 him