Stealth is a problem that's just getting bigger now that assassins are too strong.

Mal the Red·7/29/2018, 4:58:26 AM·19 votes·7,291 views

We don't have any late-game ways of dealing with it. And all it takes is an invisible champ getting right behind you and you are dead before you can literally react.

It's not fun.

37 Comments

Teridax687/29/2018, 11:31:03 AM11 votes

I think the issue here isn't just that stealth itself is a problem, but that it combines especially poorly with front-loaded damage. Season 8 is a season that has seen a large increase to the front-loading of damage, both through Runes Reforged and through the addition of items like Stormrazor. Additionally, it feels like damage itself has continually been raised, shortening the window of time any player has to react to being attacked. Because of this, I think the answer here should be to remove items and runes that front-load damage, and see where it leaves stealth champions. Up until recently, for example, Wukong felt pretty weak to most, but now he's a monster because he can abuse stealth to deal a huge amount of burst with an E + Duskblade Q + Ignite + Electrocute combo.

S V 7/29/2018, 5:30:02 AM9 votes

Bring back Pink Wards that revealed that dumb "True invisibility" or whatever Shaco, Talon, and Akali use. Pink Wards > Red Wards

Sire Hippington7/29/2018, 6:43:36 PM2 votes

I don't think stealth is the issue, it's the " you are dead before you can literally react." part that is problematic, especially when combined with stealth. If you can actually react to some one once he leaves stealth cause you survive with ~40%hp or something rather than straight dieing, stealth wouldn't be nuch of a problem, unless poorly tuned(like twitch haveing a way lower detection range than AA range, or shaco haveing up to 4 sec invis)

Salty Guy Mike7/29/2018, 8:11:06 AM2 votes

xD Goodluck playing nerfed to the ground shaco. Invisibility is the only way he is still playable. Lets just give true sight to all champions as passives because some crybaby got 1v9 by invisibility. Btw I agree about talon but you have to use brain and you can win this matchup like every matchup.

ModKnightsKemplar7/29/2018, 2:21:18 PM2 votes

I think that's not true. I've been spending some time thinking about why the game feels so different, and I think one reason was well explained by one of the Rioters on the Boards talking about Runes (can't remember who).

But basically, resolve is the replacement for defensive runes, and people aren't running it very often. If you get yourself some extra health and bone plating, that's probably a decent answer to an assassins damage. Are you running resolve on your squishy champs when you play against assassins?

Kythers7/30/2018, 2:12:55 PM1 votes

remember when you could ward and see stealthed units lmaoe

Hyquiem7/29/2018, 11:59:20 PM1 votes

Tbh, what makes no sense is that deffence is supposed to be out scaled, if deffence is ours aled then what’s the point of building armor vs a zed. Of course you can call early game but then he gets all his items of Lethality and even with a zhonyas he can still kill you. IMO there needs to be scaling deffence. Not only would this fix itemization for some classes but it will balance the game to a certain extent where true dmg isn’t just the icing on top of a cake with crit

z63XnLCMwX7/29/2018, 5:27:56 AM1 votes

Teemo!