Veigar and counterplay - what went wrong?

Frontline Fury··2 votes·917 views

Whenever Veigar is in a game, it doesn't matter how he performs in lane, if he farms or how he builds - he's ALWAYS going to be able to instantly delete any champion with less than 2000 HP and 200 magic resist in 2-3 spells.

Why is his ultimate an execute when he has the highest and most easily accessible AP scaling in the game? He already outranges all the marksmen in the game - why does he have to be able to instantly 100-0 anyone from enchanters to tanks in a single spell rotation (or in many cases, just a Q and an ult)? Why can't he be limited to assassinating squishies OR chunking tanks like all the other champions in the game?

And even then, why do his basic spells have no downtime whatsoever? His cage has a cooldown equal to its duration - once it fades, he can place it back down again. Why? When he already has a long-range piercing skillshot with an enormous hitbox that deals more base damage than most ultimate abilities?

And to top it all off, even if you zone him from last-hitting, he gains stacks just from hitting you? So even if he can't farm he's still gaining AP?

Where's the counterplay?

5 Comments

AeroWaffle5 votes

Lack of mobility, all spells but his ult is avoidable, W and E abilities are extremely telegraphed, Q can hit no more than two targets so you can hide behind a minion wave if large enough.

His cage has a cooldown equal to its duration - once it fades, he can place it back down again

No it doesn't. Cage has a CD of 14 seconds at max rank, 40% cdr brings it to 8.4. Cage lasts 3 seconds after a half second delay before appearing.

Shmeeve1 votes

Moving to the left or right.

KAZMERA1 votes

He is literally an immobile mage with some of the lowest base stats and movement speed in the game. All of his abilities are dodge-able besides his ult, and if he is ulting a target at full health then hes wasting his time.

Frontline Fury2 votes

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He is literally an immobile mage with some of the lowest base stats and movement speed in the game. All of his abilities are dodge-able besides his ult, and if he is ulting a target at full health then hes wasting his time.

Oh yes, just dodge his Q right? The projectile moving about 5 times faster than a ghosting Hecarim? Sure. And dodge his ult too, no doubt!

Moody P1 votes

Veigar has 340 base MS, that's what most bruisers start the game with

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