As a top lane main, i'm miserable. The game has never before been this cruel to me.

Frontline Fury··126 votes·8,716 views

Disclaimer: salty rant about the current meta. Don't bother trying to read unless you're here to laugh at how pathetic we top laners have become.

I feel invalidated as a player. No matter what i do, i can't influence the course of the match anymore - if bot lane loses, the match is over at 07:00, if mid lane loses everybody gets blown up in the blink of an eye the moment they leave their base and if the enemy jungler is fed they can both face tank a tower and burst someone down from 100 to 0.

Meanwhile, in top lane...

It doesn't matter if i'm playing a tank, a bruiser or an assassin. Even before laning phase has ended, one of the other lanes has gotten completely dumpstered and as a result the enemy jungler has nothing else to do than to pressure me. Their winning lane will eventually come along and i will be forced to give up two towers.

Every other role in the game has an impact when they get ahead. Top laners do zero. You're just one player in a game where quantity>quality.

Example is not based on any single game. It's more like a conglomeration of all the freak shows i've witnessed since preseason begun.

Now i understand Riot wanted to get away from the one man army snowballfest of seasons past, but what's even the point with having a top lane at all? It feels like we're the new supports, in the aspect of what support used to entail back in season 1-3. You spend the entirety of laning phase barely surviving an extremely harsh dueling lane where you have to constantly watch out for a jungler or mid laner that can blow you up faster than you can flash, and all you get to build is tank items so that you can be a meat shield for your team. You can't possibly focus on outtrading your lane opponent, because if you build a damage item you're not going to have the resistances required to survive the full combo of the various damage types featured in the entire enemy team. Damage types massively boosted by new keystones only available to certain classes of champions. Your keystone is always melee-based - and nearly every champion in the game has ways to ensure you will never get into melee range with them.

But that doesn't mean you need to go FULL tank, right? One black cleaver, a trinity force, a titanic hydra couldnt hurt, right?

Yes. Yes it can. In fact, if you even think about building anything that doesnt benefit the entirety of your team, you may very well decide the outcome of the match from that one item purchase.

Because your assassin jungler is too busy finishing his third duskblade. Your mid laner is still building their morellonomicon 30 minutes later. Your adc is working on their item 3085 Draven and the support Brand is building item 3504.

If you dont go tank, nobody else will. And then there's nothing standing between these full offense teammates of yours and the enemy super fed insert snowballed role here that is drooling so much their adc is wondering why their support hasn't warded this new river yet.

Of course, these glass cannons are also so afraid to die that they will run away at the first sign of trouble. If you get caught, tough luck - you're obviously inting.

They get engaged on and you peel their assailant off them? Wave as they never look back, high-tailing it back to base to refill that 5% HP they lost.

They ping you to go in and you do? You're now being attacked from every direction by 4 opponents while your teammates (yes, all 4 of them) panic flashes away from the enemy jungler diving into them all alone. Yeah, that full tank jungler that ends the game doing less damage than both supports.

What am i supposed to do, as a top laner? Do i have to duo queue with a tank jungle main and abuse the heck out of Akali or Fizz before electrocute gets nerfed? Do i have to switch to being a jungle main to be given even the most remote impact on the course of the game?

I've tried jungling. It's my off-role. And i absolutely hate it - because every time i do, my top laner will lose their lane extremely hard - even if they counterpick their opponent - and they'll have absolutely no impact on the game, whatsoever.

It doesn't matter what champion i play. If i'm playing top lane, i can only pray matchmaking gave me teammates better than my opponents - because even if i teleport bot at level 2 and give my adc a double kill, you can be certain the enemy adc is going to be 5/1 by the time laning phase ends.

Please tell me this isn't your ideal state of the game. I figure this might be what makes the fun plays in the tournaments and on the streams, but i've never been more miserable.

Please dont force me to quit the lane. It's the only one i truly enjoy playing. But as it stands, its completely unplayable as a solo player - i don't play lethality slave champions that just stack anything with "lethality" printed on it, so i can't do anything once the laning phase has ended.

176 Comments

Bronze 6 Yasuo50 votes

When did riot ever give a fuck about top lane? All they do is buff mid and bot.

Poske6 votes

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When did riot ever give a fuck about top lane? All they do is buff mid and bot.

AD yes mid not really not that I am complaining except for AP item diversity

AleksaTeemo9 votes

Season 5 worlds.

OP Garen Support11 votes

What? Riot did nothing in the past 2-3 years but gut AP champions/items and overbuffed botlane.

Thilmer4 votes

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What? Riot did nothing in the past 2-3 years but gut AP champions/items and overbuffed botlane.

There is a guy in the Spain fórums permanently complaining about "how broken AP damage is", despite we explaining him again and again that AP champions have been nerfed 3 seasons in a row, but he just doesn't hear us.

I wonder if the balance team thinks in the same way, because we have reached a ridiculous point where tanks and mages are completely irrelevant.

AirKingNeo4 votes

Maybe because AP champions aren't weak? You guys keep saying they are, but somehow can't give anything tangible to prove it.

OP Garen Support5 votes

Coming from someone who never plays any mage at all. You are not very convincing. Go and spam mages for a month then come back to argue if they are weak or not.

AirKingNeo3 votes

My opinion isn't based on my own play, so my own play doesn't matter.

Try using something tangible and relevant because attacking the person doesn't win an argument.

OP Garen Support4 votes

You are right there is no way to have a proper discussion with someone who never thinks for himself and only demands statistical proof of the top 0,000001 % players. Ever since Riot started favoring AD champions the game is becoming worse each day. This is not my opinion it is a fact that many of us share. You hate mages thats your choice at least dont try to lie by hiding behind statistics made for pro players. Us noobs are the 99 %.

Frontline Fury3 votes

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You are right there is no way to have a proper discussion with someone who never thinks for himself and only demands statistical proof of the top 0,000001 % players. Ever since Riot started favoring AD champions the game is becoming worse each day. This is not my opinion it is a fact that many of us share. You hate mages thats your choice at least dont try to lie by hiding behind statistics made for pro players. Us noobs are the 99 %.

Favoring AD champions? That is a common low rank misconception - AD champions are just as strong as they have always been.

You wanna know why marksmen have been going through the roof?

Its because AD champions havent been getting stronger - AP champions have. Janna Lulu Karma Soraka Rakan Taric Morgana Nami Sona

Mage supports were finally given proper items and is at last, after all these years, considered "real champions" like every other class and role. And as the supports became just as strong as all other champions, it caused a gigantic upset in a meta that for years had been shaped around supports being near-useless ward bots barely worth killing. Suddenly supports have just as much impact on the game as every other role - which means their abilities balanced around being weaker than everybody else were suddenly stronger than everybody else.

So no, AD champions are not being favoured. Supports are.

OP Garen Support2 votes

Low rank really? I am a platinum player. It does not mean I am 100% right nor does it mean you are just because you are diamond.

You listed support champions as AP mages. Dont know if you are this stupid or just joking.

ADC is the favourite . Even if supports got buffed this directly buffs the ADC as well.

Why do you think there is a new 3-4 discussion each day about AD being busted?

Faceroll Tactics1 votes

He's in EUW though, so he is a much better player to be Diamond EUW.

You also fit arguments to make you seem right always. You mention Mages being weak, and when Frontline lists Sona, Karma, and Morgana (MAGES) you fit it back to supports being strong and mid lane mages being weak.

Earlier in the thread you said that AP items were gutted. item 3504 took half a year to nerf and its an AP item however much you may deny it.

Mages are strong because they possess a combination of two classes strengths. The lockdown and zoning of Tanks and the range of ADCs. Just because you can't 1 shot with Malz ult doesn't mean mages are weak.

You called us all noobs and then take offense to being called low elo by someone objectively higher rank than you.

Edit: I didn't conclude. Basically you will doublethink and can't acknowledge you are wrong because you're surrounded with Forums circle jerk about mages being weak. You've been in the echo chamber for way to long to actually look at stats, and if you do look at stats it's either not representative of the elo you're in or just irrelevant. 6 of the top 20 winrates are mages in solo que.

OP Garen Support3 votes

Whatever I wont argue with idiots who thinks ap supports are mages.

Faceroll Tactics2 votes

Define Mage for me. Morgana, Karma, and Sona are relatively Squishy ranged champions who focus on damaging their enemies and also having tools to help their team.

What makes Lux a Mage but Morgana not? Orianna?

Also I like how you have no response to my other points so you tunnel on one

Frontline Fury2 votes

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Low rank really? I am a platinum player. It does not mean I am 100% right nor does it mean you are just because you are diamond.

You listed support champions as AP mages. Dont know if you are this stupid or just joking.

ADC is the favourite . Even if supports got buffed this directly buffs the ADC as well.

Why do you think there is a new 3-4 discussion each day about AD being busted?

Low rank is Diamond 3 and below. Diamond 2 and low master are the middle ranks. high master and challenger are the high ranks.

Due to the majority of the playerbase being low ranks they do not realize just how big the impact of the supports are. They think the adcs are the ones that are busted.

Thing is, once you see that 8/0 Tristana jump alone into mid lane and get 1-shot by the 0/3 Syndra, or get 1v1'd by the 2/0 Ornn, you'll quickly realize that the supports are the true masterminds behind the "adc meta". It's the huge amount of shields, attack buffs (both damage and attack speed) and large amounts of defensive crowd control that makes them so strong.

Tristana is currently the Irelia of bot lane. Vayne has always been the riven of bot lane. Both snowball massively, both deal huge base damages and both have near uncounterable late games. That doesn't necessarily mean they are busted - they are supposed to be strong in the late game, after all.

Their supports are the ones letting them reach that "late game" 8 minutes into the match.

Thilmer1 votes

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Maybe because AP champions aren't weak? You guys keep saying they are, but somehow can't give anything tangible to prove it.

Compare AD ítems with AP ítems, and tell me that incredible difference in gold eficiency is not tangible if you dare.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Passives/actives aren't tangible in gold value.

Thilmer2 votes

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Passives/actives aren't tangible in gold value.

Bullshit.

Most of the price of the Zhonya is due to his active. That is not so great, also.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Zhonya's active is the best in the game.

Keep in mind, that's the only tangible active, being 600 gold, effectively making Zhonya's one of the most efficient items.

Thilmer1 votes

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Zhonya's active is the best in the game.

Keep in mind, that's the only tangible active, being 600 gold, effectively making Zhonya's one of the most efficient items.

LOL.

So you are telling me that Zhonya's active is better than the rest because it cost 600 gold and other actives are free.

That makes Zhonyas active WORSE than other actives, not better.

AirKingNeo1 votes

No, I stated the fact that Zhonyas is the best active.

Then, also said it's the only one that can be measured in a gold value.

How that somehow makes every other active in the game 'free' doesn't make sense to me. Clearly, you buy items like Hextech GLP for both its stats and active.

AirKingNeo3 votes

So that's why Cassio, Syndra, and Orianna have been top tier mid laners for almost 1.5 years now?

OP Garen Support3 votes

Syndra and Orianna are unskilled champions who deserves a a big nerf just like many other OP champion. Does not mean mages are good just because some of them are unskilled.

I dont see people playing these champions on mid at all : AurelionSol Azir Annie Brand Diana Heimerdinger Karthus Kassadin Lissandra Ryze Swain TwistedFate Xerath Velkoz Viktor Ziggs

See these champions? I never saw them in midlane/game in the past 10 months.

Meanwhile almost every ADC is viable.

Talking about top tier midlaners. Its a retarded argument. Mages are midlaners. You dont see me bitching about adc's being viable for the past 6 years in botlane.

AirKingNeo3 votes

Sol, Velkoz, TF, and Kass and Viktor are fine right now. Azir is slightly overpowered. Annie is grey area. Diana, Karthus, Lissandra, Brand, and Xerath are shit and have been for the past year and a half; this isn't the fault of AP items.

Heimer and Swain are top lane bullies now because they don't work mid lane fundamentally. Buff them ever and they break top lane.

Meanwhile almost every ADC is viable.

No? Ashe is shit. Sivir is decent at best but no one picks her. Jinx: shit. Jhin: Shit (unless he unintendedly abuses the most broken keystone, Aery). Quinn: shit and rightfully so. Varus: Shit as seen by his poor play at worlds, yet somehow people keep picking him and unsurprisingly keep losing. Miss Fortune: Super shit. Ezreal would be shit, but was broken by a few things in preseason. Lucian: Shit. Corki: Shit. Draven: Mediocre.

Talking about top tier midlaners. Its a retarded argument. Mages are midlaners.

Then don't bring up perfectly fine mid laners and claim they suck?

You dont see me bitching about adc's being viable for the past 6 years in botlane.

That's because ADCs, like mages and assassins, are made of two different classes, hence why you see clear meta trends of who being viable as ADCs at a moment in time.

OP Garen Support3 votes

Corki Caitlyn Draven Ezreal Jhin KogMaw Lucian MissFortune Sivir Tristana Twitch Vayne Xayah

All of these ADC's were spammed this season.

Meanwhile you say that Syndra Orianna Cassiopeia are viable so mages are not weak? I mean seriously

"Then don't bring up perfectly fine mid laners and claim they suck?" They are fine as in never played this season at all.

Mages suck, Tanks suck, Assassins suck , Fighters suck, Juggernauts suck compared to ADC's.

Your opinion is the exact opposite of my personal experience of the game. You either play in a different ELO then me or the Meta in NA and EUNE is the complete opposite.

AirKingNeo2 votes

So? The fact you listed so many ADCs, yet we can pinpoint exactly when that champion was strong and when they became irrelevant is a sign the ADC role is perfectly fine in diversity. The fact that my list of who is shit right now holds true still just means you dodged the subject.

The mid lane isn't dynamic because Cassio, Syndra, and Orianna are so overpowered that they choke everyone else out.

So all those Viktor picks at worlds didn't happen?

Mages suck? Why have they been the only viable mid laners for the past 3 years? Tanks suck? SINCE WHEN? Bramble Vest? Fighters/Juggernauts are literally being drowned right now because Riot keeps shitting on them.

No, you're just delusional. You said facts don't matter; don't even try to dodge around it. Since you wanted to bring up biases earlier, how about your huge bias in the favor of mages, since you're a mage player? Keep in mind, you never did prove my 'anti-mage' bias.

OP Garen Support1 votes

You say mages are ok when you never play them at all. Thats the bias you think you are right when you got no clue what you are talking about.

I play every class. Once again LCS does not count . They are a fuckin 5 man premade of challengers. Viktor is useless solo que. I dont have time to search for proof for you, If you were living under a rock for the past 2 years

Tank update removed loads of HP from tanks most of them scale with HP you know. Meanwhile ADC itemization became cheaper.

Bramble Vest is a band aid on the cancer that is lifesteal. ADC is on full HP with 3 basic attacks from no HP otherwise.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Bramble vest is a mean to destroy bruisers it doesn't help against adcs at all.

Shifue Draven24 votes

I understand how you feel man. I am a jungle main and while i can help lanes get ahead they are all glass cannons while i am usually the only tank and even then with all this added damage you can barely tank now.

woodvsmurph3 votes

Yep, starting season 7, you are either a glass cannon damage dealer, or you are a cc-bot tank. First team to lose a member loses the fight and/or has to run away. No more room for tanky damage dealers unless they snowball hard early and end fast. Runes, %hp damage items, %resistances, high base damage on tanks, etc. all forcing this meta and removing tanky damage dealers from relevance within the game for over a year now. Makes me sick.

Metal Janna22 votes

I agree. I think the problem is botlane is over way too soon. The game is just so snowbally now and the meta demands early aggression. Farming it up to outscale the enemy is no longer an option. You win or lose at 3 minutes now.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Well it certainly isn't a good idea making botlane so strong that an adc with bf and zeal already equals a solo laner in presence. Tho removal of catch up xp did help a bit. Im already more frequently two lvl ahead of botlane instead of equal or only one level up. But overall an adc or support simply cannot have the same strength and impact like a toplaner that's just not how this genre of games work and if riot doesnt fix that we will run into huge problems. Noone will want to play this adc bootlick fest anymore.

10Tickler8 votes

The bigger problem is the way that Riot's stance on Tanks has subtly altered the meta. By reinforcing Damage-roles as Archetypes, while negating the efficacy of Tank stats, Riot's master balancers have made the Turrets useless (Damage Nerfs, Laser+Slow removal from Inhib turrets, Piss-Poor Targeting AI) enabling squishier champions to dive FAR easier. Meanwhile, these squishy champions are getting more effective stats from their spent gold. Tank items are notorious for, while not being overtly inefficient, barely having any efficiency. The removal of Health and Armor on a lot of PURE TANK items, while simultaneously giving ADC's two choices in Bonus Armor Pen (item 3036 for HP/Armor Tanks, item 3033 for Sustain-Tanks) have made Tank and Juggernaut classes, overall, less effective all around.

The one big hope this preseason is going to get Nerfed, mark my words, because Maokai, with the new Tank runes is...oppressively healthy, while Poke champions using Klepto and Lane Bullies using the Turret Crushing Keystone will still dominate.

Kinnikuko11 votes

As a Darius main I feel the pain of getting camped and getting literally no ganks.

Frontline Fury3 votes

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As a Darius main I feel the pain of getting camped and getting literally no ganks.

In my case it actually doesnt matter what champion i play. I get babysat regardless - mainly because i could even beat the majority of my lane opponents into the ground with something like Taric top.

Jayce Top Lane7 votes

As a top laner main. These are the three things you need to do to win.

Farm Win Lane (Getting kills and enemy tower) Roam

If you do all 3 in that order then you should win almost all your games. Unless your whole team is doing bad or just not wanting to win. You can always win if you have at least 1 person who knows what hes doing and you do all 3 steps i told you.

Edit: Lul @ all the low elo downvoting

Frontline Fury15 votes

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As a top laner main. These are the three things you need to do to win.

Farm Win Lane (Getting kills and enemy tower) Roam

If you do all 3 in that order then you should win almost all your games. Unless your whole team is doing bad or just not wanting to win. You can always win if you have at least 1 person who knows what hes doing and you do all 3 steps i told you.

https://i.gyazo.com/fc4fe5487cb3f9a92f24594d480775c4.png

That is kind of the problem. In the current meta you need to roam, win lane and then farm. Seriously. Both top laners were level 4 when bot lane's tower fell. I was jungling this game, so i could actually impact the rest of the map - but the top laners had no agency whatsoever. They just traded lanes as the bot laners switched to top lane, and then they kept farming.

At the moment, bot lane is decided long before top laners have had time to even back once. So you either do a super early teleport to bot lane and try to change what's happening down there (thereby sacrificing your own lane and falling really far behind in both levels and gold) or you simply farm and let the bot laners decide how the next 30 minutes of the match is going to pan out.

Of course, this is different in the lower ranks. On my smurf account (that is currently Platinum 3) the games are MUCH slower paced, and snowballing top laners can often 1v2 or even 1v3 opponents. It's as if the ranks below diamond are still playing league of legends in season 5.

But at the very least, in low (and in higher, i presume) diamond the games are often decided before 10:00. Top laners have no impact whatsoever unless they play supports or hyper assassins like Akali.

It Hertz When IP8 votes

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It's as if the ranks below diamond are still playing league of legends in season 5.

But at the very least, in low (and in higher, i presume) diamond the games are often decided before 10:00.

Sounds like us low ranks are having more fun than the top ranks. ^-^

Frontline Fury4 votes

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Sounds like us low ranks are having more fun than the top ranks. ^-^

You are. Enjoy it while it lasts...

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

'Can confirm that. Played in d3-d2-d1 elo (just depends on matchmaking and daytime obviously) before this ardent botlane meta begun. After that i had zero agency what so ever. I refused to play like you mentioned it dropping me back to d5 and leaving me so frustrated that i just trolled around until season end. Now back on my smurf in plat i simply stomp games from toplane. Night and day difference between those two tiers. On my main i'm still not having any impact or fun at this game. I hear tristana getting double kill and i can already backport and open because she will just demolish our team.

Blåbæret7 votes

Acting as if mid lane matters as well lmao. You're not a special snowflake. Neither mid or top matters, and the only reason jng matters is because you can dive bot over and over again.

2Charmnot2Charm10 votes

Sometimes i'm jealous of how much damage marksmen can do with their no counterplay auto attacks https://i.imgur.com/ujOxKsI.png

Thilmer2 votes

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Sometimes i'm jealous of how much damage marksmen can do with their no counterplay auto attacks https://i.imgur.com/ujOxKsI.png

This thing should be adressed at some point, because sustained point-and-click burst damage sounds like the oposite of a balanced play style to me.

fotios5671 votes

Mid will ALWAYS matter, you're literally in the middle of the map and have easier access to roams and ganks, now the problem in mid is that only like 5 champs are viable at a time, and AD assassins have been shat on

JackMcSnipeyz6 votes

Disagree, i usually play renekton or GP top and i feel like i have an impact, either by split pushing or team fighting, i dont know why you feel so useless. Ofc if mid or bot get dumpstered ill have a harder time, but same happens when i play adc and i get some tanky unkillable monster ccing me to death or a fed assassin 1 shotting me.

Yes, toplaner role is much more isolated and his impact is much more subtle, but i never feel like i have 0 impact, i feel like i contribute somehow, maybe try looking for other ways to impact the game other than solo kill everyone else.

GayFluffyUnicorn21 votes

Adc main telling toplane mains that they have impact. Topkek. Toplane is shit anywhere dia+

Red Wreckage6 votes

here is what I did a few times...

  1. fk everything

  2. split push like no tomorrow

1 game i was trynda top and enemy ww jg and illaoi top tower dived me 4 times in 6 minutes. i was level 4 with 1-3 when my tower fell and enemy top level 7. they proceeded to go to rest of the lanes to spread their tryhard toxin and took few towers. my whole team was losing, illaoi and ww had no trouble tower diving anything. i just played like a bot and kept going in empty lanes farming whatever i could. somehow my team managed to stall game till 25 min...at that stage i had more farm than anyone. enemy took 1st inhibitor and fooled around for like 2 min to get some kills.....i ran straight to bot from tier 1 tower to bot inhibitor meanwhile.
they could not group up to end after that...and we won. done this with trynda and yorick in about 6-7 similar game.

towers are weak yes, so take advantage of that yourself.

I am Pacman2 votes

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here is what I did a few times...

  1. fk everything

  2. split push like no tomorrow

1 game i was trynda top and enemy ww jg and illaoi top tower dived me 4 times in 6 minutes. i was level 4 with 1-3 when my tower fell and enemy top level 7. they proceeded to go to rest of the lanes to spread their tryhard toxin and took few towers. my whole team was losing, illaoi and ww had no trouble tower diving anything. i just played like a bot and kept going in empty lanes farming whatever i could. somehow my team managed to stall game till 25 min...at that stage i had more farm than anyone. enemy took 1st inhibitor and fooled around for like 2 min to get some kills.....i ran straight to bot from tier 1 tower to bot inhibitor meanwhile.
they could not group up to end after that...and we won. done this with trynda and yorick in about 6-7 similar game.

towers are weak yes, so take advantage of that yourself.

This^

I pretty much main splitpushy bruisers. The way you win top these days is to absorb all the pressure on the map. If the jungler or mid refuse to come top im usually knocking on the inhib tower at 14 min and if they do come top either one of two things happen. Either I kill everyone who comes top (not that hard with illaoi or jax) and continue pushing which forces even more people top (typically adc and sup will come from base at that point) with my team now having an open map and plenty of breathing room to push and take towers OR I backoff and repeat the procces/get caught out and my team still has plently of breathing room to take towers, farm, catchup etc.

fotios5671 votes

Well yeah, but that's not FUN, and in the end of the day this is a video game to be played for fun

THE RlVER KlNG2 votes

this reeks of someone who probably wants darius buffs

but everything you said is true. upvoted and approved by a top lane main

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