These PBE Camille nerfs seem a little much...

the weeaboo·Mar 23, 2017·10 votes·1,675 views

Ult: Scales 2.5/3.25/4 sec duration instead of flat 4 W: No longer heals on minions and monsters

I'm fully prepared for the onslaught of downvotes from basically everyone, but it needs to be said.

Camille is being actively dumpstered. I know you're all gonna say "WAH SHE HAS A 100% BAN/PICK IN LCS". Which doesn't mean shit. Everyone still witchhunting Graves even though he has a 39% winrate in the LCS.

Camille is not going to be able to recover from this nerf. Literally. She's going to get destroyed in lane now, which is where she's supposed to be destroying. And having 2.5 seconds of locking someone in doesn't mean shit either. Thats like 3 autos if you're lucky.

/rant

27 Comments

Carl Grimes TWD1Mar 23, 20175 votes

You're right. But the problem is Camille's kit is broken, she's either dumpster or OP. There's no balancing that atrocity of a kit she has.

OleandervineMar 23, 20174 votes

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You're right. But the problem is Camille's kit is broken, she's either dumpster or OP. There's no balancing that atrocity of a kit she has.

I disagree. Camille has enough levers in her kit that can be adjusted to get her to a reasonable level. She's not like, say, Yasuo, who they insist on keeping that free crit passive, or Azir who's entire kit is hinging from his soldier mechanic self synergy and how devastating it can be when strong. Camille is not defined by any direct part of her kit, and a lot of her abilities exist independently enough from each other that changing them won't cause a complete chain reaction that destroys her kit like what would happen if they changed Zyra's pods or Kalista's soulbond mechanic.

As to what the OP said, I am ok with the Ultimatum getting a duration drop early - I think 2.5s is a bit too steep of a nerf, but I am ok with the general idea of having the duration go up per point in the ability. I am not ok with the removal of her ability to heal off of minions and monsters with her W. It's a bit too harsh, and tons of other champions don't have their situational self healing neutered in lane, and it will all but destroy Camille's jungling abilities.

Hextech and TeaMar 23, 20172 votes

As a Camille jungle main (how im about to get out bronze) Ty for making this statement. I hate Riot for ignoring other roles when nerfing / buffing champs.

LordGeovanniMar 23, 20173 votes

Cammille has had exactly 1 broken thing on her since she was released and thats how much true damage her q does on the second hit they dont seem to want to touch that but is gutting everything else in her kit for it.

Twitch ChatMar 23, 20175 votes

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She's going to get destroyed in lane now, which is where she's supposed to be destroying. And having 2.5 seconds of locking someone in doesn't mean shit either. Thats like 3 autos if you're lucky.

This is complete nonsense. Since when is Camille supposed to be destroying in lane? She has tools for surviving lane and assisting in ganks not actively destroying people. After lane shes just completely crazy because of her engage range and ult lockdown. You look at 2.5s of a champ being completely locked down and unable to escape by any means and think that doesn't mean shit? Nice.

Also graves is broken.

BorkahnMar 23, 20173 votes

beat me to the point since a maxed Dark Binding is like 3 seconds.

LordGeovanniMar 23, 20172 votes

but the diffrence is it takes 2 seconds to reach the edge of cammiles ult. dark binding instantly stops all of your movement when it catches you for 3 seconds on a basic ability with high damage and low cooldown.

BorkahnMar 23, 20172 votes

She also drops right on you and if she is smart has a triforce that keeps her MS higher to stay with you. You still aren't convincing me that this nerf is unnecessary.

Twitch ChatMar 23, 20172 votes

your flash and your mobility spells are basically unusable for the duration. right now combined with hook shot and the slow from sweep her gank assist has no counterplay at all.

LordGeovanniMar 24, 20174 votes

you mean the hook shot that takes 1.75 seconds to find a wall (this is your que to start running) another .75 seconds to jump from the wall lose lots of damage if you miss your e you cant hit your w slow if you already used your ult and if you use w before you ult the enemy uses any mobility and are home free. not to mention that you can kite cammille inside of her ultimate or does she get 600 range while she her ultimate is up too.

TyrekGoldenspearMar 24, 20171 votes

The hookshot is faster when you're already near a wall.

LordGeovanniMar 24, 20171 votes

enemy with wall interaction near a wall i wont just stand to the opposite side of the lane. not to mention that the jump off range is short and what most people complain about is the legnth of how she pulls her self to the wall which is a clearly visable skill shot. on a 14+ second cooldown mean while ezreal has 2 second q and knocks 1 second off of all of his abilites by hitting any target with q includeing the q itself his e and his ult. but dodgeing a dash that isnt guaranteed to hit you once ever 14 seconds maybe lower with cdr and But lee sin can do it every 6 seconds and in 2 different ways with his q and w. you squishy you should have people with you now you out number cammile who is far ahead of her team kite her around her ult zone while your team deals with it she has no escape and cant insta gib you even with her true damage which is the actual problem with her kit.

the weeabooMar 24, 20171 votes

She is an early game champ. She crushes levels 1-3. If she doesn't shes garbage until 30 minutes. Maybe if she wasn't banned 100% of the time you guys would see

RexSaurMar 23, 20174 votes

No nerf will ever be too much when you are talking about camille.

ApocalypsicMar 23, 20173 votes

Unfortunately Riot created another Azir, she's going to have to be nerfed into the dust because she's a pretty heavy pick in pro play and honestly just takes up a ban slot every game.

Ulquiorra995Mar 23, 20173 votes

She's more like Shen, actually. She'll be ban or pick in LCS as long as she has that ultimate, no matter how shit the rest of her kit becomes. There are enough balancing levers in the rest of her kit to make her strong but not overbearing for the 99.999% of non-LCS players.

And I hate her, mind you. But these nerfs are too fucking much. Jungle Camille is dead and top lane Camille loses way too much of her sustain. Plus, early her ultimate will be usable fot a kill only when jungler comes, since it already offers little in direct combat value and losing almost half of the duration is really painful.

Hexs FortuneMar 23, 20173 votes

and it will all but destroy Camille's jungling abilities.

First clear may hurt a bit more, and then you'll have your heals from jg item and it won't matter anymore

Hextech and TeaMar 23, 20171 votes

It will matter a lot you forget the slow reduction on w as well.

NiyumiMar 23, 20173 votes

Makes me sad. Camille is incredibly fun, and is pathetically easy to beat if you have half a fucking brain cell (or lifesteal). But, she's permabanned right now, and won't even be worth picking when she's nerfed into the ground.

Gotta love the sheeple of the world.

TyrekGoldenspearMar 24, 20172 votes

And you say Riot doesn't nerf problem champs.

NiyumiMar 24, 20172 votes

Camille was never a problem champ. She was strong if you played against her like a fucking moron (as most people in this game do), but she had VERY EASY counterplay, almost as easy as Vlad or Illaoi.

TyrekGoldenspearMar 24, 20172 votes

Camille was never a problem champ.

A lot of people would have to disagree on that.

She was strong if you played against her like a moron (as most people in this game do), but she had VERY EASY counterplay

That's what people said to champs you find OP. That they have counterplay. But nope, they're problem champs in your eyes.

Not to mention that the fact that you seperate yourself by saying that you don't play like a moron means that you're in an awkward position when blunders you make and "Champ is OP" declarations you make don't go over well with high elos or other people. These people who can counterplay the champs you find OP while at the same time being "morons."

NiyumiMar 24, 20172 votes

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A lot of people would have to disagree on that.

Yeah, they're just sheeple who can't think for themselves (or think much at all, really).

That's what people said to champs you find OP. That they have counterplay. But nope, they're problem champs in your eyes.

What counterplay does AA spam have? You can't dodge it or cause it to miss somehow, you just either do more damage, or CC them, until they die.

Counterplay is when you actively do something to beat their kit. Like, when Vlad gets his Crimson Rush, you stay out of range. When Camille or Darius use their Q or W you get out of the outer ring or avoid it altogether. When Camille uses her E, you walk perpendicular to the direction she's flying. When Camille ults, you kite her, throw her out, or turn and fight her.

ADCs have no counterplay. Clickers like Yasuo have no counterplay. Yi has no counterplay. You either out stat them, CC them, or lose.