Change Zyra's Passive

Brendy Bear·Jul 17, 2015·8 votes·1,040 views

Zyra's passive feels very counterproductive. Even though other champions have after-death passives, they make use of it much better than Zyra's passive. Her passive is the only immobile-after-death passive, other than Karthus, who can still use all of his skills after death, rather than Zyra, who's forced to try to hit a skill shot after a 2 second delay. Within the 2 seconds, that gives enough time to try to get out of the way. Even in accidental situations where you try to cast it before the 2, it automatically casts in that direction even if you try to correct it in the common case of an opponent getting out of the way. With today's high mobility champions the 2 second delay feels like it works for the opponent rather than herself. Even though Zyra's kit is great, I still don't think it makes up for her current passive.

14 Comments

5050BSJul 17, 20152 votes

YES PLEASE

My Idea was

Zyra Wilds The wilds around Zyra come to life in her presence. Ever 15s a seed randomly spawns within 1700 unite of Zyra and stay for 30s. At levels 6 the time drops to 12s, at level 11 another seed spawns, at level 17 the time drops to 9s.

This makes it so you can make plays off seeds that spawn. Enemies have to watch for them. The Bush could spawn seeds more often given her vision in the bush and if times right she can get more then 3 plants out at a time if she brings the fight to the wild seeds and places hers on them.

AmelieJul 17, 20152 votes

I have played a ton of Zyra in the past (especially support) and the passive has gotten me so many kills/assists that I have never had a problem with it. Those "revenge" kills have always been super rewarding to me.

I would hate to see Riot nerf her kit just because they changed her passive (which they would have to, if her passive became noticeably "good" or "strong").

Deep Terror NamiJul 17, 20151 votes

She dies pretty easily (at least when I use her) and it has no internal cooldown so I think it's pretty appropriate lol. The 2 second delay hurts a whole lot though I agree.

Brendy BearJul 17, 20151 votes

Even if it doesn't have an internal cooldown, it doesn't change the fact that it's still incredibly hard to maximize the potential of it.

OverpoweredSoapJul 17, 20151 votes

They gave her that passive because they knew they overloaded her kit and wanted to give her something that wasn't that great.

Idk if you can say her kit is overloaded anymore, sure, she has a lot of damage and cc, but she's extremely immobile and dying very easily, especially with all these new champions getting a lot of mobility.

They should at least try changing the delay time if they want to actually change anything about Zyra though. Honestly, she's not as terrible as people make her out to be.

A Miss FortuneJul 17, 20151 votes

I don't think her main problem is her passive, I've actually gotten a lot of kills and while I think they can simply make the skillshot realistically easier to hit, her main issues are her insane mana costs and there's almost no excuse to be hit by her abilities. Her Q has a .65 second delay, which is gigantic for it being her main damage, and her E while having actually a really long range, has a pretty bad travel time and width for it being a really big part of her combo.

I think they should just lower the delay on her Q, and maybe give it a bit more damage. The scaling or base damage isn't awful, but you can max your E or your Q and the damage difference won't be that high when her Q should be doing noticeably more damage.

Mandang0Jul 17, 20151 votes

Q has a much lower cooldown compared to E. That's the reason you max Q for damage, and it's why Q doesn't need damage buffs to cement its identity as the damage option of the two.

A Miss FortuneJul 17, 20151 votes

A slightly lower cooldown isn't enough to excuse how easy it is to dodge her Q, there's literally no reason that you shouldn't dodge it unless you're being crowd controlled or ambushed, which isn't always an available option.

Mandang0Jul 18, 20151 votes

I honestly don't think it's hard to land her Q. The AOE is pretty generous and it's a skill that can't be blocked by minions.

Mandang0Jul 17, 20151 votes

The passive isn't her problem, and giving her a better passive would probably get Zyra nerfed.

The one QoL change to passive that I'd like to see is a clearer indication of when the 2s delay is over, and you can cast.

Ser GarlandJul 17, 20151 votes

Her passive is non existent. Don't even kid.

Mandang0Jul 17, 20151 votes

This is exactly why changing her passive is straight buffing Zyra, which will get an otherwise-balanced champion nerfed.

Honestly, most people's problems with Zyra is that they choose very expensive and slow builds on her (Grail, Deathcap instead of Morello/Doran's Rings, Void Staff).

AbyssphereJul 17, 20151 votes

Even aside from the passive sucking it's just incredibly boring to use. A lot of the time that I die I just want to fire it off ASAP in frustration so I can actually get my death timer started. It really adds insult to injury that after you die (which you know, already sucks) you have to fire this random skillshot with like a 5% chance of hitting that just makes you look stupid when you inevitably hit it.

Zyra's incredibly fun but her passive is one of the least enjoyable abilities in the game.

redchewbaccaDec 10, 20151 votes

Honestly I think the current passive would be way more satisfying to use if they reduced the delay from when you die and when you can use it. 2 sec its enough to just walk out of range. That alone makes it so frustrating to use.