the funniest thing is that they would never do this to champions that really deserve a nerf but are always untouched,he has a sad story of random nerfs like the ap ratio nerf on his e back in season 3 in an assassin meta,does riot consider him toxic or what?oh and seems to ignore the fact the hasn't a global quote but illaoi/kalista have one for no reason at all
Calabok28 votesIf the high level Korean players make Kathus oppressive in game play , then nerfs will happen
Maximum Morde12 votesIf the high level Korean players make Kathus oppressive in game play , then nerfs will happen
Wasn't that because you could toggle his E on and off to get it to do damage faster or something? I think they could revert the AP ratio nerfs now, but they wont. Not that Karthus really needs it either, just sayin.
KaisadiIIa2 votesThe E toggle thing was never intended. E deals a tick of damage per second, but you could toggle it on/off in 0.5 seconds, meaning that you could spam E to deal a tick of damage every 0.5 seconds instead. It was not a nerf, it was a correction.
Retillin8 votesNeither was/is Jax/Kat/Lee ward hoping, or Riven animation canceling, ect... Why they pick some things and not others to "fix" is very inconsistent.
KaisadiIIa4 votesRiven animation cancelling is probably the biggest error they made. You should never be forced to learn how the game works internally to play it. I think they just thought fixing animation cancelling was too big of a task, so instead they pretended it was a new flashy feature for Riven players.
I'm glad we don't have Karthus balanced around who can press E more times.
Count Zubat1 votesSame with Veigar, the whole 5.4 rework happened because of Koreans destroying everything with Veigar support.
TaoistMaster2 votesIn korea I can only assume that players do not harrass each other for off meta picks as often. They probably have a better concept of what is better for the team as opposed to "how can I get as fed as possible"
NA needs to learn WHY korean players set trends.
I hear a lot on these forums that the only thing that stays constant in all your games is that YOU are in them.
Well flip it around, and remember that every game you play, 9 other players are in them too.
Just some thoughts [slayer-jinx-catface]
UrgotSexSimbol24 votes
53%win rate high popularity everytime a post like this gets down voted i feel like a lee ahri vayne thresh main down voted because he feels guilty and knows that i'm right as hell
aítch1 votesOK TOO BE FAIR WITH AHRI it isn't because she is good that a lot of people pick her. Like c'mon nekos are adorable like :3
SlimeyKnight1 votesso tru [slayer-jinx-catface]
Squarefighter1 votesI didn't downvote, but saying "my post is only downvoted because x mains are defending their freelo" is pure boards cringe.
Asyde18 votesRemember it's important for Riot to stay objective and eliminate as many unreliable data sources as possible when choosing to update champions. Often times when people claim a champion is overpowered it is because they are less skilled than the enemy or don't know how to properly fight against said champ. Likewise, when others claim a champion is weak or under powered it is usually because they are not as skilled as their enemy or don't know how to play that champ correctly.
Certainly this is not always the case, but in order to make informed good decisions it's best to look at data from sources where skill and game knowledge are much less of an issue. Aka High Elo/pro games. Usually, if a champion is off-balance that will show itself pretty quickly in high-elo games.
The downside to all this, is that while champions can be perfectly tuned for high-end play, they could be horribly oppressive in lower tier games. Changes made for high-end play can often ripple through the lower tiers and cause problems. Riot doesn't ignore these issues, they just want to eliminate whether the issue is skill/knowledge, or if infact the champ/ability really needs adjustments.
This is particularly an issue when champs are first released or re-worked. Game knowledge and skill of how to fight as/with/against said champ basically gets a reset throughout the community, so Riot typically waits quite a while before making significant changes to that champ; Effectively allowing the community to learn and catch up before they can really gauge whether or not they are balanced.
Gaxloom1 votesgreat logic
Ra1d2 votesalso things rioters have said in the past. i tend to look at it objectively as well and honestly at the moment i ccant say any champs are truly overpowered at the moment.
KaisadiIIa2 votesThis is particularly an issue when champs are first released or re-worked. Game knowledge and skill of how to fight against said champ basically gets a reset throughout the community, so Riot typically waits quite a while before making significant changes to that champ;
The problem is exactly that: RIOT doesn't wait before making significant changes to that champ. Almost every new release since 2013 has been buffer or nerfed for 1-2 months after their release. Yasuo was buffed several times since the patch 4.1 (which was the next one to the one he was released, 3.13), until people started to play them properly and, taking advantage from some buffs that Yasuo didn't need but were added in previous patch, stomped the game, and RIOT had no nerf him several times afterwards. Same for Bard: Released in 5.5, changed in 5.6, 5.7, 5.8.
Asyde1 votesThe problem is exactly that: RIOT doesn't wait before making significant changes to that champ. Almost every new release since 2013 has been buffer or nerfed for 1-2 months after their release. Yasuo was buffed several times since the patch 4.1 (which was the next one to the one he was released, 3.13), until people started to play them properly and, taking advantage from some buffs that Yasuo didn't need but were added in previous patch, stomped the game, and RIOT had no nerf him several times afterwards. Same for Bard: Released in 5.5, changed in 5.6, 5.7, 5.8.
1-2 months is enough time to be honest. By that point they have seen the champ in millions (literally) of games and have given players ample time to learn and catch up. Well, at least given enough time for the high-elo/pro champs to catch up so they can make better informed decisions like I mentioned above. Of course they still look at the champs effect on the community as a whole and if they see need for immediate adjustment they will do so. But ultimately they do most of their testing in Beta, launch what they think is balanced, then fine tune the champ once they've seen in them live play across the community.
KaisadiIIa1 votesPatches are released every 2 weeks, and these were no exception (as far as I remember).
NA Darklarik8 votesWhat i truly hate when riot does something like this is the lack of acceptable context...
And the seeming hypocrisy of nerfing a mage like Karthus who is immobile and heavily skillbased to land his Qs and has a lot of counterplay...
Meanwhile, Vayne, Fizz, Riven, Rengar and the list goes on and on and on are just like meh.
Keevalroy7 votesZed getting buffed with the eventual introduction of AD DFG.
"Meh."
KaisadiIIa2 votesFizz is useless.
Riven is weak without proper itemization.
Rengar should be deleted from the game faster than he can delete someone.
Teemo or Feedmo5 votes''fizz is useless''
what drugs did you use
KaisadiIIa1 votesoc.
aítch1 votesFizz statement: Wrong Riven statement: FINALLY SOMEONE Rengar statement: PREACH IT!
SlimeyKnight1 votespreach
SlimeyKnight1 votesLMAO SO TRU ABOUT RENGAR and yes if riven dies like twice at start shes a goner
Calabok4 votesAsk the koreans
Riven Main4 votesI believe it had to do with the speedboost mastery in pbe that gave 40% speed boost with 100% slow resistance. since he could proc it pretty easily so 2:16 he would probably get first blood by turning level 2 and ghost exhausting with it to kill the enemy laner. just imagine zileans 45% cdr spamming E but that's just my guess
Abyssphere4 votes[{quoted}](name=Riven Main,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tRaLlf1b,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-01-05T23:45:23.820+0000)
I believe it had to do with the speedboost mastery in pbe that gave 40% speed boost with 100% slow resistance. since he could proc it pretty easily so 2:16 he would probably get first blood by turning level 2 and ghost exhausting with it to kill the enemy laner. just imagine zileans 45% cdr spamming E but that's just my guess
...what? He got nerfed long before that mastery hit the PBE.
ShadowParker4 votesThe mastery does not work that way. It's definitely not because of the mastery.
Keevalroy4 votesit is just me or the karthus nerf is unnecessary?
Nah, it's not just you. Anyone with any sense about them sees this as unnecessary. To be honest, I don't know why the "balance" team even bothers with context at this point - all they do is lie and dismiss criticism, even when we shove their own logic in their faces.
manbearswine4 votesYes but it's okay since nobody plays him,think of the upside:
Less karthus=more room for ahri and zed=happy riot.
Rivini4 votesKarthus isn't a big, flashy play-maker, so Riot doesn't want him to be competitively viable and picked in the LCS.
See also: Swain, Brand and Malzahar nerfs.
#LCSBIGPLAYS
Arsenic Sulfur2 votesTo be fair, Swain's W was a one-point wonder, and DFT put Brand and Malz over the edge
Rot Panda1 votesBrand can use both thunderlords and DFT, but honestly DFT doesn't do all that much.. infact its doing 2 (+12.5% bonus AD) (+5% AP) magic damage per second for 5 seconds (Malefic Visions and Brands passive are both 4 seconds) If you have 500ap this passive is giving them an extra 135 damage over 5 seconds before resistances.
kaltenashes3 votesalso it is just me or the swain nerf is unnecessary?
Enrovy2 votesgive shen a global quote when he ults, more taughting as it is then its e
ofart2 votesFelt about as random as the Swain nerf. Swain was NOT in a good spot in high ELO games despite his overall winrate. Karthus was barely even played. I don't get it. It's not like anyone was thinking "gonna abuse that Karthus freelo" and it became a perma ban.
Call A Dr1 votesVayne be like, rekking tanks, rekking everyting,
Riot: DW Guys, we got this.... we will nerf her ad by 3
Riot: We have decided to nerf vayne even more and give her extra true damage
Riot: Our logic? It's flawless.
Ultraboomer1 votesher true damage output against squishies was nerfed, and I think it's only slightly better now against the tanks she is supposed to be killing.
UrgotSexSimbol2 votesit is hard buffed after 1000 hp pre 1000 hp is the same as before :)
Autrah Fang1 votesi assume in their mind Karthus' Q and R are about as toxic as Evelynn's passive, and they want to nerf him into being literally useless.
i remember when his R could actually kill people.. those were the days...
SlimeyKnight1 votesthose were the days i was a lvl 4 riven in the jungle fighting my jg monsters and got the light above me and i think "Jesus ive been a good boy" then the light would say "get set back"
from there my games would be terrible
aítch1 votesdw he is getting conpensation next patch with the Runeglave change that was basically why and that was it don't worry karthas players I am sure they will make it up to you :)... I hope :(
UrgotSexSimbol1 votesi like him mid,i miss him in his s2 prime lcs were so cool back then
aítch1 votesI don't mind him but he is kinda boring which is weird since I have spammed more Annie games than I can count (around 2.5k in 2 seasons :))
SlimeyKnight1 votesdang
10Tickler1 votesFor all of the Three people who regularly play Karthus on the Rift, yes, it is required.
Sinister Anubis1 votesNext thing you know they will nerf taric next patch
SlimeyKnight1 voteslmao